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Old 07-18-2007, 03:15 PM
JM
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Default Need help extending network

The info:

Two buildings - a two-story house and a 3-room shop, approximately 150 ft
apart.
We need internet in the shop.
There is cable modem and a Belkin wireless router in the house (not sure of
model or firmware, but can get it tonight if needed)
The cable modem and Belkin are on the opposite side of the house from the
shop, about 4 rooms and 4-5 walls deep
At this time laptops will not pick up the Belkin's signal in the shop.

I would like to create a wireless bridge. There are two additional wireless
routers available to us, a Buffalo and Linksys WRT54GL, both running DD-WRT
v24 beta, with the Repeater mode option. The Belkin supports "bridging"
mode, where it will allow other APs to connect to it. Not sure if this
includes something like the Buffalo in repeater mode.

I was considering putting the Buffalo near a window facing the shop on the
second floor of the house, as a repeater off the Belkin, then using the
Linksys in the shop, bridged back to the repeater.

With the info I've provided does that sound like a viable option? Secondly,
if so, could someone help with the network settings involved? I'd like to
achieve a "client bridge" arrangement, where the Linksys in the shop is a
wireless client on the same subnet.

I've done this several times with WAP54Gs bridged (not including the Bufalo
repeater wildcard), but not with disparate routers.

Please let me know what other info I need to provide.

thank you,

jm






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Old 07-18-2007, 10:59 PM
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JM wrote:
> The info:
>
> Two buildings - a two-story house and a 3-room shop, approximately
> 150 ft apart.
> We need internet in the shop.
> There is cable modem and a Belkin wireless router in the house (not
> sure of model or firmware, but can get it tonight if needed)
> The cable modem and Belkin are on the opposite side of the house from
> the shop, about 4 rooms and 4-5 walls deep
> At this time laptops will not pick up the Belkin's signal in the shop.



Are they on the same electrical service (same meter, not breaker)? if so,
instead of wireless you may want to consider a powerline ethernet bridge,
under $100, you can put a wap/router in the shop and have both wired and
wireless..
http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe...tAdapters.aspx
up to 85 Mbps (faster than plain old wireless)



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Old 07-19-2007, 12:31 AM
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Default Re: Need help extending network

That is a great suggestion, but, unfortunately the shop building is on a
different meter owned by the same person.

jm



"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> JM wrote:
>> The info:
>>
>> Two buildings - a two-story house and a 3-room shop, approximately
>> 150 ft apart.
>> We need internet in the shop.
>> There is cable modem and a Belkin wireless router in the house (not
>> sure of model or firmware, but can get it tonight if needed)
>> The cable modem and Belkin are on the opposite side of the house from
>> the shop, about 4 rooms and 4-5 walls deep
>> At this time laptops will not pick up the Belkin's signal in the shop.

>
>
> Are they on the same electrical service (same meter, not breaker)? if so,
> instead of wireless you may want to consider a powerline ethernet bridge,
> under $100, you can put a wap/router in the shop and have both wired and
> wireless..
> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe...tAdapters.aspx
> up to 85 Mbps (faster than plain old wireless)
>




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Old 07-19-2007, 04:00 AM
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JM wrote:
> That is a great suggestion, but, unfortunately the shop building is
> on a different meter owned by the same person.
>
> jm
>


About where are you located at? (just general is fine), I started with
wireless to my shop, but was in northern Idaho, and during the winter, when
it snowed (about 38" on the ground), and the steep metal snow roofs, piled
snow even higher by the outsides of the buildings and blocked the fresnel
zone (wireless bridge beam spreads out and you need a certain amount of
clearance, things like snow and growing vegetation can really screw wireless
up)... any chance that you can bury a low voltage direct burial utility
cable? (not that much, 10 pair was about $100, and you can add
phone/intercom/etc).. Or maybe even coax like for TV? If no metal roof, how
about directional to directional on the roof or outside walls? Actually
wireless was the first thing I tried, then a utility cable, and finally bit
the bullet and ran a direct burial power cable (wanted to play/learn arc
welding and had to run extra power).. I'd just hate to suggest the wireless
bridge unless I was pretty sure that nothing would bite you in the butt, so
I'm trying to give you alternatives. Obviously my plan a was wireless,
trying to save you from being unhappy with it and going to plan b or c or d
etc.....

Actually, the powerline network/same meter isn't exactly correct, it needs
to be on the same leg off a transformer, but for 99% of the people, they
hopefully understand that one meter just means you can have multiple
circuits/circuit breakers inside the house. Hard to say how things are in
your area.. I have seen some places with one transformer per meter/house,
and others with several meters/houses off one transformer, and some
apartment buildings that have dozens, all off the same transformer, but
separate meters. So there is some possibility it may still work for you


>
>
> "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:09GdnUG8edCrEAPbnZ2dnUVZ_rK3nZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> JM wrote:
>>> The info:
>>>
>>> Two buildings - a two-story house and a 3-room shop, approximately
>>> 150 ft apart.
>>> We need internet in the shop.
>>> There is cable modem and a Belkin wireless router in the house (not
>>> sure of model or firmware, but can get it tonight if needed)
>>> The cable modem and Belkin are on the opposite side of the house
>>> from the shop, about 4 rooms and 4-5 walls deep
>>> At this time laptops will not pick up the Belkin's signal in the
>>> shop.

>>
>>
>> Are they on the same electrical service (same meter, not breaker)?
>> if so, instead of wireless you may want to consider a powerline
>> ethernet bridge, under $100, you can put a wap/router in the shop
>> and have both wired and wireless..
>> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe...tAdapters.aspx
>> up to 85 Mbps (faster than plain old wireless)




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Old 07-19-2007, 03:51 PM
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"JM" <jake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The info:
>
> Two buildings - a two-story house and a 3-room shop, approximately 150 ft
> apart.
> We need internet in the shop.


Why not just run cable?



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Old 07-20-2007, 06:31 AM
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"Eric" <nobody@nowhere.none.nnn> wrote in message
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>
> "JM" <jake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:beidnTmD4pYPvQPbnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> The info:
>>
>> Two buildings - a two-story house and a 3-room shop, approximately 150 ft
>> apart.
>> We need internet in the shop.

>
> Why not just run cable?


Good suggestion. The only problem is a driveway that gets a lot of traffic.
I do not have the tools to tunnel under the driveway.

jm





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Old 07-20-2007, 06:47 AM
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JM wrote:
> Good suggestion. The only problem is a driveway that gets a lot of traffic.
> I do not have the tools to tunnel under the driveway.


Talk your wife into getting a back yard cement swimming pool. After a dozen
cement trucks crush your driveway, trench in the conduit before replacing it.

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