On 9 Aug 2006 20:11:06 -0700, "Vinnie" <centro.gamma@gmail.com> wrote in
<1155179466.929109.178580@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:
>where can i find a good tutorial about Net.Stubler??
<http://www.netstumbler.com/faqs/>
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> On 9 Aug 2006 20:11:06 -0700, "Vinnie" <centro.gamma@gmail.com> wrote in
> <1155179466.929109.178580@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:
>
> >where can i find a good tutorial about Net.Stubler??
>
> <http://www.netstumbler.com/faqs/>
>
Thanks, however i asked for a tutorial not really for the faqs.
Vinnie
Vinnie wrote:
> John Navas ha scritto:
>
>> On 9 Aug 2006 20:11:06 -0700, "Vinnie" <centro.gamma@gmail.com>
>> wrote in <1155179466.929109.178580@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:
>>
>>> where can i find a good tutorial about Net.Stubler??
>>
>> <http://www.netstumbler.com/faqs/>
>>
>
> Thanks, however i asked for a tutorial not really for the faqs.
> Vinnie
Not being sarcastic, but have you tried the help file that comes with it?
I've never seen a tutorial for it.
> where can i find a good tutorial about Net.Stubler??
There isn't a tutorial. The program's function is pretty clear. It sniffs
the airwaves and shows you what it finds. The netstumbler website, it's
docs and forum, are about all that exists to cover it. And they're pretty
much sufficient. It might be fair to say that netstumbler isn't something
'mere mortals' are ever going to need bothering with. As a result there's
not a 'netstumbler for dummies' resource.
>> where can i find a good tutorial about Net.Stubler??
>
>There isn't a tutorial. The program's function is pretty clear. It sniffs
>the airwaves and shows you what it finds. The netstumbler website, it's
>docs and forum, are about all that exists to cover it. And they're pretty
>much sufficient. It might be fair to say that netstumbler isn't something
>'mere mortals' are ever going to need bothering with. As a result there's
>not a 'netstumbler for dummies' resource.
2. Netstumbler does NOT "sniff the airwaves". It's an active
scanner, not a passive sniffer. It xmits a "probe request frame" and
listens for a "probe response frame". Kismet is an example of a
passive sniffer.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:
<snip>
> Some comments and corrections:
<snip>
> 2. Netstumbler does NOT "sniff the airwaves". It's an active
> scanner, not a passive sniffer. It xmits a "probe request frame" and
> listens for a "probe response frame". Kismet is an example of a
> passive sniffer.
It's also a question of getting the right card (with supported chipset)
and driver.
For Windows, a good passive monitor is Commview for WiFi from Tamosoft.
Commview sniffs 802.11a/b/g wireless networks.
You can download a 30 evaluation of their latest version from the
Tamosoft site. They upgrade so often that you never reach the 30 day
limit.
Apparently, Netstumbler cannot do passiv monitoring at all, even with a
card that can be set to passiv mode. So what it's good for beats me. You
get the same functions in almost all WiFi clients, that come with a WiFi
card.
On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:37:12 +0200, hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel
Hammerschmidt) wrote in <1hk2g1w.1948cqmmcu7ugN%hlexa@hotmail.com>:
>Apparently, Netstumbler cannot do passiv monitoring at all, even with a
>card that can be set to passiv mode. So what it's good for beats me. You
>get the same functions in almost all WiFi clients, that come with a WiFi
>card.
As good as ThinkPad (ThinkVantage) Wi-Fi software is, there are still
some things that Network Stumbler is good for; e.g., filtering,
scripting and logging.
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> Apparently, Netstumbler cannot do passiv monitoring at all, even with a
> card that can be set to passiv mode. So what it's good for beats me. You
> get the same functions in almost all WiFi clients, that come with a WiFi
> card.
Most clients don't track multiple networks and keep a running chart of the
signal strengths. If you're trying to determine antenna alignments and
such, or find multiple access points using netstumbler is QUITE a bit more
useful than the supplied wifi client. It's quite handy. kismet, in the
hands of someone aware of what they're doing, has a greater range of
features.
Axel Hammerschmidt <hlexa@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It's also a question of getting the right card (with supported chipset)
> and driver.
I thought it handled most of them as NDIS. Netstumbler didn't support some
of my cards in the earlier version, but they all seem to work as NDIS in
the version I have now.
> Apparently, Netstumbler cannot do passiv monitoring at all, even with a
> card that can be set to passiv mode. So what it's good for beats me. You
> get the same functions in almost all WiFi clients, that come with a WiFi
> card.
Some other free add-on clients provide some of the functionality. I like
the Boingo client for just seeing what's there.
Netstumbler allows information gathering which can be tied to a GPS for
later mapping and examination.
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>You can download a 30 evaluation of their latest version from the
>Tamosoft site. They upgrade so often that you never reach the 30 day
>limit.
Cute. I like that.
>Apparently, Netstumbler cannot do passiv monitoring at all, even with a
>card that can be set to passiv mode. So what it's good for beats me. You
>get the same functions in almost all WiFi clients, that come with a WiFi
>card.
Not so. The common Windoze driver does not support the promiscuous or
monitor mode. The result is that Windoze can only monitor it's own
packets. Most Linux drivers support these modes, allowing passive
sniffers to work and monitor all packets. There are companies that
have written their own promiscuous Windoze drivers for specific cards.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:
> hlexa@hotmail.com (Axel Hammerschmidt) hath wroth:
>
> >It's also a question of getting the right card (with supported chipset)
> >and driver.
>
> Netstumbler works with anything that has an NDIS 5.1 driver.
<snip>
> >Apparently, Netstumbler cannot do passiv monitoring at all, even with a
> >card that can be set to passiv mode. So what it's good for beats me. You
> >get the same functions in almost all WiFi clients, that come with a WiFi
> >card.
>
> Not so. The common Windoze driver does not support the promiscuous or
> monitor mode. The result is that Windoze can only monitor it's own
> packets. Most Linux drivers support these modes, allowing passive
> sniffers to work and monitor all packets. There are companies that
> have written their own promiscuous Windoze drivers for specific cards.
Well, the above mentioned Commview comes with at least one Windows
driver that does support promiscuous or monitor mode. The one for
Atheros 500x chipsets. That's the one I use for passiv 802.11a/b/g
scanning. There are others there too.
And Broadcom has released a Windows driver (beta) that can be downloaded
from the Wildpackets site that will support promiscuous or monitor mode
with the popular F5D7010 PC Card wireless card. This is one of the
Windows drivers you can use with airodump-ng for Windows.
Even Apples Airport Extreme cards can now be switched into monitor mode
with late versions of Kismac. They just kept working at it and found a
solution.
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