Netgear WGR614 firewall issues

I'm a newbie when it comes to wireless. I installed a Netgear WGR614
v.6 router, and eventually got it to work OK. I have only one other
computer on my home network for now, a Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop.

My questions:

1. I can't access the laptop and it can't access my PC when I have my
Agnitum Outpost v 1.0 freeware firewall acitve on my desk PC. When I
turn off Outpost, everything works OK. Do I really need Outpost on my
PC now? Should I turn off Microsoft firewall on my laptop? It's
already off on the PC.

2. If netgear installed its own firewall, how do I adjust its
controls? Outpost would occasionally ASK me if I wanted my computer to
access certain sites (mostly for updates). I haven't seen any such
requests yet from Netgear. I see no icons on my desktop for it. The
box says it has a double firewall (NAT and SPI), but as I installed
netgear I don't recall seeing any info on it.

Thanks.

"46erjoe" <somebody@spamless.net> wrote in message
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> I'm a newbie when it comes to wireless. I installed a Netgear WGR614
> v.6 router, and eventually got it to work OK. I have only one other
> computer on my home network for now, a Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop.
>
> My questions:
>
> 1. I can't access the laptop and it can't access my PC when I have my
> Agnitum Outpost v 1.0 freeware firewall acitve on my desk PC. When I
> turn off Outpost, everything works OK. Do I really need Outpost on my
> PC now? Should I turn off Microsoft firewall on my laptop? It's
> already off on the PC.

A wireless hacker can join your network on the wireless side and be all over
the top of your machines wired or wireless if they are not protected
properly. A personal FW/packet filter only allowing traffic between the two
IP(s) used and blocking all other IP(s) on that router should be
implemented.

>
> 2. If netgear installed its own firewall, how do I adjust its
> controls? Outpost would occasionally ASK me if I wanted my computer to
> access certain sites (mostly for updates). I haven't seen any such
> requests yet from Netgear.

And you're not going to see that either as software solutions running on
routers and FW appliances don't have some kind of junk application control
as do so many personal FW/packet filter solutions. The router is to protect
the network or the LAN and the software on the router is not running on the
computer with its O/S, like a personal FW/packet filter.

> I see no icons on my desktop for it. The
> box says it has a double firewall (NAT and SIP), but as I installed
> netgear I don't recall seeing any info on it.

You're not going to see any either.

You should learn something about a NAT router as that is what you have that
providing the protection from the Interne and is protecting the LAN.
..
http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp

Here are some other links about FW solutions host based software or
appliance based, not a personal FW/packet filter as those are not FW
solutions.

http://www.vicomsoft.com/knowledge/r...irewalls1.html


http://www.more.net/technical/netserv/tcpip/firewalls/

I don't consider NAT to be FW software, it's an *impersonator*. It's only
mapping technology acting in a FW like manner by dropping unsolicited
inbound traffic, no machine behind the router made a solicitation for
traffic from a remote IP and that inbound traffic is dropped by NAT.

Some wireless security stuff

http://netsecurity.about.com/cs/wire...aa112203_2.htm

Duane :)

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:13:35 GMT, 46erjoe <somebody@spamless.net> wrote
in <h30aj2p1r8cc31lmlq5lijg53tgclqbv30@4ax.com>:

>I'm a newbie when it comes to wireless. I installed a Netgear WGR614
>v.6 router, and eventually got it to work OK. I have only one other
>computer on my home network for now, a Dell Inspiron E1705 laptop.
>
>My questions:
>
>1. I can't access the laptop and it can't access my PC when I have my
>Agnitum Outpost v 1.0 freeware firewall acitve on my desk PC. When I
>turn off Outpost, everything works OK. Do I really need Outpost on my
>PC now?

Yes. The WGR614 is effective against some things (external attacks),
but a software (aka personal) firewall is effective against other things
(internal attacks, trojans trying to phone home).

>Should I turn off Microsoft firewall on my laptop?

No.

>It's
>already off on the PC.

Use only one firewall on each computer.

What you need to do is open "holes" in your software firewalls for File
and Printer Sharing. Consult the documentation for how to do that.

>2. If netgear installed its own firewall, how do I adjust its
>controls?

Through the web (browser) interface.

>Outpost would occasionally ASK me if I wanted my computer to
>access certain sites (mostly for updates). I haven't seen any such
>requests yet from Netgear.

You won't -- you have to do it manually -- but you probably won't ever
need to.

>I see no icons on my desktop for it.

You'd have to create it yourself.

>The
>box says it has a double firewall (NAT and SPI), but as I installed
>netgear I don't recall seeing any info on it.

NAT *isn't* a firewall. SPI *is* a firewall, and works pretty much
automatically.

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Duane Arnold <Yeah-Don't-bother-@that's-right.bet> wrote:
> A wireless hacker can join your network on the wireless side and be all
> over the top of your machines wired or wireless if they are not protected

Or, to put that differently, the NAT router acts as some protection against
attack from the other side of the router, but anyone who connects to your
WiFi side is on "your" side of the protection, inside the wall.

> properly. A personal FW/packet filter only allowing traffic between the
> two IP(s) used and blocking all other IP(s) on that router should be
> implemented.

I would configure for the two IPs of interest, and then configure the
firewall so that the same addresses are always given to those two MAC
addresses via "address reservation" in the Netgear.

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