E-commerce sites are putting their future success at risk by failing
to offer users the ability to buy through their mobile websites, a
new study has revealed.
The Strategy Analytics Wireless Media Lab looked at e-commerce sites
eBay, lastminute.com, and Odeon Cinema and the mobile offerings they
put forward. It found that mobile customers wanted to be able to buy
through their handsets, something some companies overlook.
The e-commerce giants' mobile offerings paled in comparison to their
fixed internet sites, with the lack of payment facilities being a
major bugbear for users. The report found that users were extremely
dissatisfied with some of the sites, and expected to be able to buy
content from lastminute.com and Odeon Cinema, or bid for items on
eBay through its mobile portal.
In contrast, Amazon and iTunes were the most sought-after mobile
e-commerce sites.
"Consumers were profoundly dissatisfied with the concept of only
using the m-commerce sites for research and pre-purchase evaluation,"
said Paul Brown, senior analyst, user experience research.
[MORE]
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:45:39 GMT, John Navas <jnavas@navasgroup.com>
wrote:
><http://www.theregister.com/2007/07/19/mobile_internet_disappointment/>
>
> If you can't buy stuff, is it really m-commerce?
>
> E-commerce sites are putting their future success at risk by failing
> to offer users the ability to buy through their mobile websites, a
> new study has revealed.
>
> The Strategy Analytics Wireless Media Lab looked at e-commerce sites
> eBay, lastminute.com, and Odeon Cinema and the mobile offerings they
> put forward. It found that mobile customers wanted to be able to buy
> through their handsets, something some companies overlook.
>
> The e-commerce giants' mobile offerings paled in comparison to their
> fixed internet sites, with the lack of payment facilities being a
> major bugbear for users. The report found that users were extremely
> dissatisfied with some of the sites, and expected to be able to buy
> content from lastminute.com and Odeon Cinema, or bid for items on
> eBay through its mobile portal.
>
> In contrast, Amazon and iTunes were the most sought-after mobile
> e-commerce sites.
>
> "Consumers were profoundly dissatisfied with the concept of only
> using the m-commerce sites for research and pre-purchase evaluation,"
> said Paul Brown, senior analyst, user experience research.
>
> [MORE]
Simple answer. Get an iPhone with the real Internet.
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:45:39 GMT, John Navas <jnavas@navasgroup.com>
> wrote:
>
> ><http://www.theregister.com/2007/07/19/mobile_internet_disappointment/>
> >
> > If you can't buy stuff, is it really m-commerce?
> >
> > E-commerce sites are putting their future success at risk by failing
> > to offer users the ability to buy through their mobile websites, a
> > new study has revealed.
> >
> > The Strategy Analytics Wireless Media Lab looked at e-commerce sites
> > eBay, lastminute.com, and Odeon Cinema and the mobile offerings they
> > put forward. It found that mobile customers wanted to be able to buy
> > through their handsets, something some companies overlook.
> >
> > The e-commerce giants' mobile offerings paled in comparison to their
> > fixed internet sites, with the lack of payment facilities being a
> > major bugbear for users. The report found that users were extremely
> > dissatisfied with some of the sites, and expected to be able to buy
> > content from lastminute.com and Odeon Cinema, or bid for items on
> > eBay through its mobile portal.
> >
> > In contrast, Amazon and iTunes were the most sought-after mobile
> > e-commerce sites.
> >
> > "Consumers were profoundly dissatisfied with the concept of only
> > using the m-commerce sites for research and pre-purchase evaluation,"
> > said Paul Brown, senior analyst, user experience research.
> >
> > [MORE]
>
>
>
> Simple answer. Get an iPhone with the real Internet.
Yes, I think Apple has thrown a wrench in the works for all the talk of
having more mobile-friendly websites. Mobile sites are still clunky to
navigate-even the better ones.
>> Simple answer. Get an iPhone with the real Internet.
>
>Yes, I think Apple has thrown a wrench in the works for all the talk of
>having more mobile-friendly websites. Mobile sites are still clunky to
>navigate-even the better ones.
I have a Verizon XV6700 running Windoze Mobile 5. The screen is small
(320x240 QVGA), but still very useful. With some effort, I can
navigate the larger web pages. List of WM5 friendly sites:
<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/help/pocketpc/links.mspx>
There are also some starts at iPhone friendly web sites:
<http://www.anyiphone.com/iphone-friendly-websites/>
I expect the list to grow as irate iPhone owners complain about
difficulties navigating overly complex web pages.
This should be of help for iPhone web site designers. It's an iPhone
320x480 screen simulator for Safari.
<http://www.marketcircle.com/iphoney/>
eBay is a bit of a challenge but there are 3rd party vendors with
solutions:
<http://www.clickapps.com/ebay_for_windows_mobile>
The major problem for WM5 is the lack of Java. It's also a problem
on the iPhone. It's there, but not enabled:
<http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t98506.html>
Probably has bugs and they need time to work them out. Or, they
didn't bother to pay Sun the license fee. Dunno.
I think I figured out what most iPhone owners all have in common....
A general lack of patience.
"Jeff Liebermann" wrote:
>
> I have a Verizon XV6700 running Windoze Mobile 5. The screen is small
> (320x240 QVGA), but still very useful. With some effort, I can
> navigate the larger web pages.
>
> There are also some starts at iPhone friendly web sites:
> <http://www.anyiphone.com/iphone-friendly-websites/>
> I expect the list to grow as irate iPhone owners complain about
> difficulties navigating overly complex web pages.
Or we just turn it sideways! <g>
Seriously, I've been surprised at the "full Web" experience the iPhone gives
me. Never once had that feeling on any of the WinCE/Winmob or Palm devices
(or any PDA or phone for that matter--heck I'll even throw "Smart" Display
in there too).
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:48:29 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>"Jeff Liebermann" wrote:
>>
>> I have a Verizon XV6700 running Windoze Mobile 5. The screen is small
>> (320x240 QVGA), but still very useful. With some effort, I can
>> navigate the larger web pages.
Yep. Having the page scale to the screen size is a feature I don't
have on my xv6700. However, I can zoom in and out. Can you read the
CNN text on your iPhone or do you have to zoom in and out?
I just loaded CNN.com on my xv6700. Everything fits nicely as it
automagically rearranged the page to be narrow but very long. There's
no horizontal scroll bar showing, but the vertical is many pages long.
Good enough for me.
Also, try:
<http://www.google.com/pda/>
>> There are also some starts at iPhone friendly web sites:
>> <http://www.anyiphone.com/iphone-friendly-websites/>
>> I expect the list to grow as irate iPhone owners complain about
>> difficulties navigating overly complex web pages.
>Or we just turn it sideways! <g>
I also can do that on my XV6700. It helps with some web pages but
isn't a total solution. I rarely use the keyboard or turn the screen
sideways. Incidentally, my XV6700 has a touch sensitive screen. I
don't use that either because my fat fingers often hit the wrong
"button". Or, maybe I need target practice.
I'm curious. Can you run the iPhone with one hand?
>Seriously, I've been surprised at the "full Web" experience the iPhone gives
>me. Never once had that feeling on any of the WinCE/Winmob or Palm devices
>(or any PDA or phone for that matter--heck I'll even throw "Smart" Display
>in there too).
The iPhone is impressive from what I've seen (but haven't tried yet).
Whether it's worth $500 and having to deal with the new Ma Bell is an
open question. I have another year to go on my Verizon contract, so
I'll probably just wait and see what happens.
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:48:29 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
<5ga14tF3ftqm4U1@mid.individual.net>:
>"Jeff Liebermann" wrote:
>> There are also some starts at iPhone friendly web sites:
>> <http://www.anyiphone.com/iphone-friendly-websites/>
>> I expect the list to grow as irate iPhone owners complain about
>> difficulties navigating overly complex web pages.
>
>Or we just turn it sideways! <g>
>
>Seriously, I've been surprised at the "full Web" experience the iPhone gives
>me. Never once had that feeling on any of the WinCE/Winmob or Palm devices
>(or any PDA or phone for that matter--heck I'll even throw "Smart" Display
>in there too).
Opera Mini J2ME and the Opera Mini embedded in my RAZR V3xx do a great
job of rendering most regular website.
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>> Simple answer. Get an iPhone with the real Internet.
>
>Yes, I think Apple has thrown a wrench in the works for all the talk of
>having more mobile-friendly websites. Mobile sites are still clunky to
>navigate-even the better ones.
Opera Mini J2ME and the Opera Mini embedded in my RAZR V3xx do a great
job of rendering most regular website.
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:12:00 -0500, karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote in
<3aav93hrvgl1sq8muqpdpj8icaetbda29s@4ax.com>:
>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:45:39 GMT, John Navas <jnavas@navasgroup.com>
>wrote:
>
>><http://www.theregister.com/2007/07/19/mobile_internet_disappointment/>
>>
>> If you can't buy stuff, is it really m-commerce?
>>
>> E-commerce sites are putting their future success at risk by failing
>> to offer users the ability to buy through their mobile websites, a
>> new study has revealed.
>>
>> The Strategy Analytics Wireless Media Lab looked at e-commerce sites
>> eBay, lastminute.com, and Odeon Cinema and the mobile offerings they
>> put forward. It found that mobile customers wanted to be able to buy
>> through their handsets, something some companies overlook.
>>
>> The e-commerce giants' mobile offerings paled in comparison to their
>> fixed internet sites, with the lack of payment facilities being a
>> major bugbear for users. The report found that users were extremely
>> dissatisfied with some of the sites, and expected to be able to buy
>> content from lastminute.com and Odeon Cinema, or bid for items on
>> eBay through its mobile portal.
>>
>> In contrast, Amazon and iTunes were the most sought-after mobile
>> e-commerce sites.
>>
>> "Consumers were profoundly dissatisfied with the concept of only
>> using the m-commerce sites for research and pre-purchase evaluation,"
>> said Paul Brown, senior analyst, user experience research.
>>
>> [MORE]
>
>Simple answer. Get an iPhone with the real Internet.
No thanks. My RAZR V3xx blows it away.
--
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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
"Jeff Liebermann" wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:48:29 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote:
>
>>"Jeff Liebermann" wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a Verizon XV6700 running Windoze Mobile 5. The screen is small
>>> (320x240 QVGA), but still very useful. With some effort, I can
>>> navigate the larger web pages.
>
>>Hope it didn't turn out like this:
>>http://www.ctaz.com/~mlynch/x/IMGP0809a.JPG
>
> Yep. Having the page scale to the screen size is a feature I don't
> have on my xv6700. However, I can zoom in and out. Can you read the
> CNN text on your iPhone or do you have to zoom in and out?
Generally have to zoom in order to read detail text. But zooming is pretty
much instantaneous, and having that full page view for some reason makes it
seem as if you are browsing regular Web pages. It's also intelligent in that
it will zoom to fit text width when you double tap, pop up a balloon with
the URL if you press-and-hold on a link, etc.
>
> I just loaded CNN.com on my xv6700. Everything fits nicely as it
> automagically rearranged the page to be narrow but very long. There's
> no horizontal scroll bar showing, but the vertical is many pages long.
> Good enough for me.
Yes I could do that with my Treo too. On the Treo (Blazer) that was called
"optimized mode." But it changed the format of Web pages, and was sometimes
confusing. I turned it off to compare, as best as possible (as you can see
cnn.com didn't turn out too well) how the two compared without trying to
reformat the page.
>
>>> There are also some starts at iPhone friendly web sites:
>>> <http://www.anyiphone.com/iphone-friendly-websites/>
>>> I expect the list to grow as irate iPhone owners complain about
>>> difficulties navigating overly complex web pages.
>
>>Or we just turn it sideways! <g>
>
> I also can do that on my XV6700. It helps with some web pages but
> isn't a total solution. I rarely use the keyboard or turn the screen
> sideways.
Neither did I much back in my PPC days. But the iPhone is really different
(can't believe I keep writing that). I often use it landscape mode as it's
practically second nature now. Keep in mind you just turn the thing sideways
and, presto, you have more horizontal space. And for some reason Apple has
seemingly wrung every last sub-pixel out of the display. It almost seems
more like 640 x 480.
Without a doubt it seems sharper than my Treo's 320 x 320, and it should be
less so since it's actually physically larger (taking into consideration the
extra 160 pixels in height, naturally). It's brighter yet has deeper blacks,
has more contrast, has more vibrant colors and color saturation, and is at
least 3x more visible in Arizona sunlight than my Treo's display. And I
*like* the Treo's display.
>
Incidentally, my XV6700 has a touch sensitive screen. I
> don't use that either because my fat fingers often hit the wrong
> "button". Or, maybe I need target practice.
I had that happen often with my Treo, usually when I wanted to do something
quick and didn't want to pull out the stylus.
>
> I'm curious. Can you run the iPhone with one hand?
To a certain degree yes--I've even got a technique for holding it in
landscape orientation when browsing the Web. I can hold it sideways and
still use my thumb for navigation. Ain't perfect but it ain't two hands
either.
The screen is also designed to be used entirely with fingers--you can't use
a stylus (I still sometimes reach for a stylus!). It's actually not that
hard to get used to, and there are lots of "little things" that sort of all
come together to make the whole thing easier to use.
"John Navas" wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:48:29 -0700, "Tinman" <ask@for.it> wrote in
>>
>>Seriously, I've been surprised at the "full Web" experience the iPhone
>>gives
>>me. Never once had that feeling on any of the WinCE/Winmob or Palm devices
>>(or any PDA or phone for that matter--heck I'll even throw "Smart" Display
>>in there too).
>
> Opera Mini J2ME and the Opera Mini embedded in my RAZR V3xx do a great
> job of rendering most regular website.
>
Braille does an excellent job of rendering most text. So what?
In article <03tv93h61esnejra321u76clio6nqvmbfb@4ax.com>,
John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:24:10 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> in <labolide-021B76.11241019072007@news.giganews.com>:
>
> >In article <3aav93hrvgl1sq8muqpdpj8icaetbda29s@4ax.com>,
> > karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> >> Simple answer. Get an iPhone with the real Internet.
> >
> >Yes, I think Apple has thrown a wrench in the works for all the talk of
> >having more mobile-friendly websites. Mobile sites are still clunky to
> >navigate-even the better ones.
>
> Opera Mini J2ME and the Opera Mini embedded in my RAZR V3xx do a great
> job of rendering most regular website.
"Most"- LOL. On a pitiful tiny screen, most look terrible. Opera on my
Treo (same imaging as yours) looks horrific. Real web has it all beat.
In article <5ga14tF3ftqm4U1@mid.individual.net>, "Tinman" <ask@for.it>
wrote:
> "Jeff Liebermann" wrote:
> >
> > I have a Verizon XV6700 running Windoze Mobile 5. The screen is small
> > (320x240 QVGA), but still very useful. With some effort, I can
> > navigate the larger web pages.
> >
>
> Hope it didn't turn out like this:
> http://www.ctaz.com/~mlynch/x/IMGP0809a.JPG
>
>
> > There are also some starts at iPhone friendly web sites:
> > <http://www.anyiphone.com/iphone-friendly-websites/>
> > I expect the list to grow as irate iPhone owners complain about
> > difficulties navigating overly complex web pages.
>
> Or we just turn it sideways! <g>
>
> Seriously, I've been surprised at the "full Web" experience the iPhone gives
> me. Never once had that feeling on any of the WinCE/Winmob or Palm devices
> (or any PDA or phone for that matter--heck I'll even throw "Smart" Display
> in there too).
>
> Thanks for the link.
Yes, I use the eBay mobile link for my Treo. Terrible. Scroling and
redrawing until the cows come home.
Why compromise when you can have the real web?
> >The major problem for WM5 is the lack of Java. ...
>
> That is indeed a major problem.
Java as in Javascript, or Java as in J2ME? If the former, 3rd-party
browsers like Opera Mobile or Netfront address that; if the latter, most
WM5 phones include a JVM,
although carriers occasionally remove it from their branded versions
(like T-Mobile did to my MDA.) An "unbranded" ROM fixed that for me, but
more conservative owners can download one without reflashing if need be.
I personally still haven't found a J2ME app to run that is preverable to
a WM-native app with the same functionality, however- i.e. the WM-native
version of Google Maps beats the Java version (although both pale to
Windows Live Search 2.0, which now includes one-touch rerouting if you
wander off-course.)
>Generally have to zoom in order to read detail text. But zooming is pretty
>much instantaneous, and having that full page view for some reason makes it
>seem as if you are browsing regular Web pages. It's also intelligent in that
>it will zoom to fit text width when you double tap, pop up a balloon with
>the URL if you press-and-hold on a link, etc.
Thanks. That's what's lacking on my XV6700 PDAphone. I can tediously
change type size and some limited zooming, but nothing as fast or
intuitive as what's on the iPhone.
>> I just loaded CNN.com on my xv6700. Everything fits nicely as it
>> automagically rearranged the page to be narrow but very long. There's
>> no horizontal scroll bar showing, but the vertical is many pages long.
>> Good enough for me.
I did some screen grabs of CNN on my XV6700:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/CNN/>
CNN does it quite nicely. It reformats to fit the screen. For
example, there was a list of videos with thumbnails that appeared in
one long column in the portrait mode, but showed up two across in the
landscape mode.
>Neither did I much back in my PPC days.
Ok. You've used the XV6700. It's the same as the Sprint PPC-6700.
However, if you didn't do the firmware update from the UTC Starcom web
pile, you probably had some problems.
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/XV6700.htm>
>But the iPhone is really different
>(can't believe I keep writing that).
I can see why. Apple may have made a big mistake with all the hype.
They've attacted the expected attention, but they've also triggered my
defense mechanism against such hype. I often find it difficult to
believe the hype and am disappointed by the product. That's my
current reaction to the iPhone. It just can't be that good.
>I often use it landscape mode as it's
>practically second nature now. Keep in mind you just turn the thing sideways
>and, presto, you have more horizontal space. And for some reason Apple has
>seemingly wrung every last sub-pixel out of the display. It almost seems
>more like 640 x 480.
Well, the larger screen is a huge plus. For one thing, you can do
more with it. In my case, my eyes have been slowing going downhill.
Many years ago, my home computah was a Sanyo MBC-775 with a 5"
diagonal screen.
<http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/sanyo775/>
I'm in the process of purging the house and I found this thing. Of
course, I had to try it. HD was dead, but the screen lit up. CGA
color (320x200) in 16 colors. I couldn't read it, even with reading
glasses. Small cell displays are for youngsters.
>> I'm curious. Can you run the iPhone with one hand?
>
>To a certain degree yes--I've even got a technique for holding it in
>landscape orientation when browsing the Web. I can hold it sideways and
>still use my thumb for navigation. Ain't perfect but it ain't two hands
>either.
Thanks. That's a basic requirement for my derranged method of
operation. That's also what's really wrong with the stylus... It
requires both hands.
I've gotten fairly good at using MS WM5 Voice Command:
<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/voicecommand/default.mspx>
to reduce the amount of stylus poking. However, I spent far too much
time organizing a command list and building macros.
> The screen is also designed to be used entirely with fingers--you can't use
>a stylus (I still sometimes reach for a stylus!). It's actually not that
>hard to get used to, and there are lots of "little things" that sort of all
>come together to make the whole thing easier to use.
Sounds good. However, I'll wait and see. What I have is (mostly)
adequate for the purpose. I have a year left on my contract. Lots of
things can change in a year, along with the predicted iPhone clones.
"Jeff Liebermann" wrote:
> "Tinman" <ask@for.it> hath wroth:
>
> I did some screen grabs of CNN on my XV6700:
> <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/CNN/>
> CNN does it quite nicely. It reformats to fit the screen. For
> example, there was a list of videos with thumbnails that appeared in
> one long column in the portrait mode, but showed up two across in the
> landscape mode.
Keep in mind I would rarely try to load that page on my Treo 650 (CDMA 1x)
as it takes about 5 minutes to complete--and gawd forbid I try to actually
tap into an article. iPhone was about 1.5 minutes on EDGE and 15 seconds on
WiFi.
mobil phone sites are suppose to be for quick easy access. More sites are
being developed each day with different URL, the phone usually will
re-direct to the mobile site based on the equipment. If you want full
internet access buy a data card and carry your laptop. Not everyone needs
that much capability!
"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:umm1a3hqceenek3r6r3afv35e78ceje6ur@4ax.com...
> "Tinman" <ask@for.it> hath wroth:
>
>>Generally have to zoom in order to read detail text. But zooming is pretty
>>much instantaneous, and having that full page view for some reason makes
>>it
>>seem as if you are browsing regular Web pages. It's also intelligent in
>>that
>>it will zoom to fit text width when you double tap, pop up a balloon with
>>the URL if you press-and-hold on a link, etc.
>
> Thanks. That's what's lacking on my XV6700 PDAphone. I can tediously
> change type size and some limited zooming, but nothing as fast or
> intuitive as what's on the iPhone.
>
>>> I just loaded CNN.com on my xv6700. Everything fits nicely as it
>>> automagically rearranged the page to be narrow but very long. There's
>>> no horizontal scroll bar showing, but the vertical is many pages long.
>>> Good enough for me.
>
> I did some screen grabs of CNN on my XV6700:
> <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/CNN/>
> CNN does it quite nicely. It reformats to fit the screen. For
> example, there was a list of videos with thumbnails that appeared in
> one long column in the portrait mode, but showed up two across in the
> landscape mode.
>
>>Neither did I much back in my PPC days.
>
> Ok. You've used the XV6700. It's the same as the Sprint PPC-6700.
> However, if you didn't do the firmware update from the UTC Starcom web
> pile, you probably had some problems.
> <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/XV6700.htm>
>
>>But the iPhone is really different
>>(can't believe I keep writing that).
>
> I can see why. Apple may have made a big mistake with all the hype.
> They've attacted the expected attention, but they've also triggered my
> defense mechanism against such hype. I often find it difficult to
> believe the hype and am disappointed by the product. That's my
> current reaction to the iPhone. It just can't be that good.
>
>>I often use it landscape mode as it's
>>practically second nature now. Keep in mind you just turn the thing
>>sideways
>>and, presto, you have more horizontal space. And for some reason Apple has
>>seemingly wrung every last sub-pixel out of the display. It almost seems
>>more like 640 x 480.
>
> Well, the larger screen is a huge plus. For one thing, you can do
> more with it. In my case, my eyes have been slowing going downhill.
> Many years ago, my home computah was a Sanyo MBC-775 with a 5"
> diagonal screen.
> <http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/sanyo775/>
> I'm in the process of purging the house and I found this thing. Of
> course, I had to try it. HD was dead, but the screen lit up. CGA
> color (320x200) in 16 colors. I couldn't read it, even with reading
> glasses. Small cell displays are for youngsters.
>
>>> I'm curious. Can you run the iPhone with one hand?
>>
>>To a certain degree yes--I've even got a technique for holding it in
>>landscape orientation when browsing the Web. I can hold it sideways and
>>still use my thumb for navigation. Ain't perfect but it ain't two hands
>>either.
>
> Thanks. That's a basic requirement for my derranged method of
> operation. That's also what's really wrong with the stylus... It
> requires both hands.
>
> I've gotten fairly good at using MS WM5 Voice Command:
> <http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/voicecommand/default.mspx>
> to reduce the amount of stylus poking. However, I spent far too much
> time organizing a command list and building macros.
>
>> The screen is also designed to be used entirely with fingers--you can't
>> use
>>a stylus (I still sometimes reach for a stylus!). It's actually not that
>>hard to get used to, and there are lots of "little things" that sort of
>>all
>>come together to make the whole thing easier to use.
>
> Sounds good. However, I'll wait and see. What I have is (mostly)
> adequate for the purpose. I have a year left on my contract. Lots of
> things can change in a year, along with the predicted iPhone clones.
>
>
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> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:47:38 -0600, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
<24885923020070720064738elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.c om>:
>At 19 Jul 2007 23:30:47 +0000 John Navas wrote:
>
>> >The major problem for WM5 is the lack of Java. ...
>>
>> That is indeed a major problem.
>
>Java as in Javascript, or Java as in J2ME? If the former, 3rd-party
>browsers like Opera Mobile or Netfront address that; if the latter, most
>WM5 phones include a JVM,
>although carriers occasionally remove it from their branded versions
>(like T-Mobile did to my MDA.) An "unbranded" ROM fixed that for me, but
>more conservative owners can download one without reflashing if need be.
>I personally still haven't found a J2ME app to run that is preverable to
>a WM-native app with the same functionality, however- i.e. the WM-native
>version of Google Maps beats the Java version (although both pale to
>Windows Live Search 2.0, which now includes one-touch rerouting if you
>wander off-course.)
Cute, but it leaves out average folks. ;)
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:10:09 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
in <labolide-75B16D.19100919072007@news.giganews.com>:
>In article <03tv93h61esnejra321u76clio6nqvmbfb@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:24:10 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
>> in <labolide-021B76.11241019072007@news.giganews.com>:
>>
>> >In article <3aav93hrvgl1sq8muqpdpj8icaetbda29s@4ax.com>,
>> > karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>
>> >> Simple answer. Get an iPhone with the real Internet.
>> >
>> >Yes, I think Apple has thrown a wrench in the works for all the talk of
>> >having more mobile-friendly websites. Mobile sites are still clunky to
>> >navigate-even the better ones.
>>
>> Opera Mini J2ME and the Opera Mini embedded in my RAZR V3xx do a great
>> job of rendering most regular website.
>
>"Most"- LOL. On a pitiful tiny screen, most look terrible. Opera on my
>Treo (same imaging as yours) looks horrific. Real web has it all beat.
It actually works quite well.
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In article <2hq7c358v547fos7aq066f98ube4v8rvqm@4ax.com>,
John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:10:09 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> in <labolide-75B16D.19100919072007@news.giganews.com>:
>
> >In article <03tv93h61esnejra321u76clio6nqvmbfb@4ax.com>,
> > John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:24:10 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> >> in <labolide-021B76.11241019072007@news.giganews.com>:
> >>
> >> >In article <3aav93hrvgl1sq8muqpdpj8icaetbda29s@4ax.com>,
> >> > karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Simple answer. Get an iPhone with the real Internet.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, I think Apple has thrown a wrench in the works for all the talk of
> >> >having more mobile-friendly websites. Mobile sites are still clunky to
> >> >navigate-even the better ones.
> >>
> >> Opera Mini J2ME and the Opera Mini embedded in my RAZR V3xx do a great
> >> job of rendering most regular website.
> >
> >"Most"- LOL. On a pitiful tiny screen, most look terrible. Opera on my
> >Treo (same imaging as yours) looks horrific. Real web has it all beat.
>
> It actually works quite well.
In a limited sort of way. Good only for PDA optimized sites. Opera
usually crashed my Treo, so used Blazer. Opera did apparently release a
bug fix, but too little too late and a pain to configure.
Web on my iPhone is stunning.
My Treo is now up on eBay.
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:15:54 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
in <labolide-F61BAE.08155416082007@news.giganews.com>:
>In article <2hq7c358v547fos7aq066f98ube4v8rvqm@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:10:09 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
>> in <labolide-75B16D.19100919072007@news.giganews.com>:
>>
>> >In article <03tv93h61esnejra321u76clio6nqvmbfb@4ax.com>,
>> > John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:24:10 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
>> >> in <labolide-021B76.11241019072007@news.giganews.com>:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <3aav93hrvgl1sq8muqpdpj8icaetbda29s@4ax.com>,
>> >> > karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Simple answer. Get an iPhone with the real Internet.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yes, I think Apple has thrown a wrench in the works for all the talk of
>> >> >having more mobile-friendly websites. Mobile sites are still clunky to
>> >> >navigate-even the better ones.
>> >>
>> >> Opera Mini J2ME and the Opera Mini embedded in my RAZR V3xx do a great
>> >> job of rendering most regular website.
>> >
>> >"Most"- LOL. On a pitiful tiny screen, most look terrible. Opera on my
>> >Treo (same imaging as yours) looks horrific. Real web has it all beat.
>>
>> It actually works quite well.
>
>In a limited sort of way. Good only for PDA optimized sites.
It actually works great on the great majority of standard websites.
>Opera
>usually crashed my Treo, so used Blazer. Opera did apparently release a
>bug fix, but too little too late and a pain to configure.
Works great on my RAZR V3xx.
>Web on my iPhone is stunning.
Likewise on my RAZR V3xx.
>My Treo is now up on eBay.
My RAZR V3xx is now on my belt.
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:35:40 -0600, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
<NqYwi.316$ax3.150@fe097.usenetserver.com>:
>At 16 Aug 2007 06:09:23 +0000 John Navas wrote:
>
>> >Windows Live Search 2.0, which now includes one-touch rerouting if you
>> >wander off-course.)
>>
>> Cute, but it leaves out average folks. ;)
>
>Don't worry, they make a version for those unfortunate enough to be
>limited to Java... ;-)
>
>Take your RAZR over to wls.live.com.
No need -- Google Maps works great on my RAZR V3xx.
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In article <8lc4d310nh96tq81paamv3uqlqj1o1ml54@4ax.com>,
John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:15:54 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> in <labolide-F61BAE.08155416082007@news.giganews.com>:
>
> >In article <2hq7c358v547fos7aq066f98ube4v8rvqm@4ax.com>,
> > John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:10:09 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote
> >> in <labolide-75B16D.19100919072007@news.giganews.com>:
> >>
> >> >In article <03tv93h61esnejra321u76clio6nqvmbfb@4ax.com>,
> >> > John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:24:10 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
> >> >> wrote
> >> >> in <labolide-021B76.11241019072007@news.giganews.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <3aav93hrvgl1sq8muqpdpj8icaetbda29s@4ax.com>,
> >> >> > karlkrandall@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Simple answer. Get an iPhone with the real Internet.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes, I think Apple has thrown a wrench in the works for all the talk
> >> >> >of
> >> >> >having more mobile-friendly websites. Mobile sites are still clunky to
> >> >> >navigate-even the better ones.
> >> >>
> >> >> Opera Mini J2ME and the Opera Mini embedded in my RAZR V3xx do a great
> >> >> job of rendering most regular website.
> >> >
> >> >"Most"- LOL. On a pitiful tiny screen, most look terrible. Opera on my
> >> >Treo (same imaging as yours) looks horrific. Real web has it all beat.
> >>
> >> It actually works quite well.
> >
> >In a limited sort of way. Good only for PDA optimized sites.
>
> It actually works great on the great majority of standard websites.
>
> >Opera
> >usually crashed my Treo, so used Blazer. Opera did apparently release a
> >bug fix, but too little too late and a pain to configure.
>
> Works great on my RAZR V3xx.
>
> >Web on my iPhone is stunning.
>
> Likewise on my RAZR V3xx.
>
> >My Treo is now up on eBay.
>
> My RAZR V3xx is now on my belt.
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