Re: Cheap wireless network connection

On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:54:33 GMT, jab-ph <jabingb@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>Alain Deschamps wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 06:34:17 GMT, jab-ph <jabingb@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Any thoughts on how I could link my K570 which resides in the garage
>>>into my home SBC DSL wireless network? Is there some way to attach an
>>>inexpensive wireless adapter or am I too used to the ease of how PCs can
>>>achieve this?
>>
>>
>> Just plug an Ethernet Wifi bridge.

>How do I configure the bridge or more accurately do I access the bridge
>via the 9000?
It depends on the bridge. Generally they are administrable through a
Web interface. It might be necessary to configure it from a windows
computer.

>I've got a 2Wire hub/router/DSL modem for the home
>network already and I thought it would be something like an 802.11g
>adapter card, but that requires some interaction for configuration with
>its host?
>
I doubt you can find a driver in HP-UX for an PCI Wifi card which
seems the only adapter which can fit in K570.

You shall got more answer in alt.internet.wireless which I set the
followup to.
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:08:42 +0200, Alain Deschamps
<alain.deschamps@no.spam.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:54:33 GMT, jab-ph <jabingb@sbcglobal.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Alain Deschamps wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 06:34:17 GMT, jab-ph <jabingb@sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Any thoughts on how I could link my K570 which resides in the garage
>>>>into my home SBC DSL wireless network? Is there some way to attach an
>>>>inexpensive wireless adapter or am I too used to the ease of how PCs can
>>>>achieve this?
>>>
>>>
>>> Just plug an Ethernet Wifi bridge.

>>How do I configure the bridge or more accurately do I access the bridge
>>via the 9000?

>It depends on the bridge. Generally they are administrable through a
>Web interface. It might be necessary to configure it from a windows
>computer.

There are very few wireless ethernet bridge boxes that require a
non-web browser configuration. The older DWL-900AP+, WAP11, and ME102
models have USB inputs for configuration. Some Cisco models have a
serial port. However, all of these allow configuration via TCP/IP and
a web browser. If you have an HP UX machine with TCP/IP and a web
browser, you should be able to configure almost any modern wireless
bridge, access point, or router.

>>I've got a 2Wire hub/router/DSL modem for the home
>>network already and I thought it would be something like an 802.11g
>>adapter card, but that requires some interaction for configuration with
>>its host?
>>
>I doubt you can find a driver in HP-UX for an PCI Wifi card which
>seems the only adapter which can fit in K570.
>
>You shall got more answer in alt.internet.wireless which I set the
>followup to.

What you want is a wireless client adapter. This is also sometimes
called a "game adapter". It plugs into the ethernet port on your HP
box and acts as a bridge (where everything works on the MAC layer and
not at the IP layer like a router). Most access points (not wireless
routers) have a "client mode" setting. For example, the WAP54G is a
wireless bridge with a client mode.

Now, things get complex. Many "game adapters" and "client bridges"
only allow one client at a time. They will only bridge one MAC
address per connections. If you have other networked devices in the
garage, only one will work at a time to your unspecified model 2wire
router, which may or may not already have a wireless access point
built in. It's difficult to deduce from your posting as you seem to
be only looking for a client side solution. In the future kindly
specify the model numbers of your hardware. Also, what's the radio
path? 2.4GHz doesn't go through trees, hills, walls, mountains, etc.

I suggest a WRT54G router, with Sveasoft Alchemy firmware, which
impliments a "client mode" and handle multiple connected clients.

If you do *NOT* already have an access point built into your
unspecified model 2wire router, the wireless link can also be handled
by a pair of wireless bridges. I don't want to supply all the
possible options, combinations and permutations until I get some
detail.

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Jeff,
Thanks for your inputs. I have a 2Wire 1000 HG Home Portal router/modem
establishing the home network. The garage actually contains 2 K-class
servers, a 570 UX machine and a 929KS MPE machine. Ideally, if I could
put both K-class servers on a common network in the garage (4 port
Ethernet - wireless router) and use that to communicate to the 2Wire?
Am I on the right track or off in left field someplace? Again, if that
is possible, the question is how to configure that device, just hook up
a PC with an Ethernet to accomplish that task initially?
Jerry

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:08:42 +0200, Alain Deschamps
> <alain.deschamps@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:54:33 GMT, jab-ph <jabingb@sbcglobal.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Alain Deschamps wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 06:34:17 GMT, jab-ph <jabingb@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Any thoughts on how I could link my K570 which resides in the garage
>>>>>into my home SBC DSL wireless network? Is there some way to attach an
>>>>>inexpensive wireless adapter or am I too used to the ease of how PCs can
>>>>>achieve this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Just plug an Ethernet Wifi bridge.
>
>
>>>How do I configure the bridge or more accurately do I access the bridge
>>>via the 9000?
>
>
>>It depends on the bridge. Generally they are administrable through a
>>Web interface. It might be necessary to configure it from a windows
>>computer.
>
>
> There are very few wireless ethernet bridge boxes that require a
> non-web browser configuration. The older DWL-900AP+, WAP11, and ME102
> models have USB inputs for configuration. Some Cisco models have a
> serial port. However, all of these allow configuration via TCP/IP and
> a web browser. If you have an HP UX machine with TCP/IP and a web
> browser, you should be able to configure almost any modern wireless
> bridge, access point, or router.
>
>
>>>I've got a 2Wire hub/router/DSL modem for the home
>>>network already and I thought it would be something like an 802.11g
>>>adapter card, but that requires some interaction for configuration with
>>>its host?
>>>
>>
>>I doubt you can find a driver in HP-UX for an PCI Wifi card which
>>seems the only adapter which can fit in K570.
>>
>>You shall got more answer in alt.internet.wireless which I set the
>>followup to.
>
>
> What you want is a wireless client adapter. This is also sometimes
> called a "game adapter". It plugs into the ethernet port on your HP
> box and acts as a bridge (where everything works on the MAC layer and
> not at the IP layer like a router). Most access points (not wireless
> routers) have a "client mode" setting. For example, the WAP54G is a
> wireless bridge with a client mode.
>
> Now, things get complex. Many "game adapters" and "client bridges"
> only allow one client at a time. They will only bridge one MAC
> address per connections. If you have other networked devices in the
> garage, only one will work at a time to your unspecified model 2wire
> router, which may or may not already have a wireless access point
> built in. It's difficult to deduce from your posting as you seem to
> be only looking for a client side solution. In the future kindly
> specify the model numbers of your hardware. Also, what's the radio
> path? 2.4GHz doesn't go through trees, hills, walls, mountains, etc.
>
> I suggest a WRT54G router, with Sveasoft Alchemy firmware, which
> impliments a "client mode" and handle multiple connected clients.
>
> If you do *NOT* already have an access point built into your
> unspecified model 2wire router, the wireless link can also be handled
> by a pair of wireless bridges. I don't want to supply all the
> possible options, combinations and permutations until I get some
> detail.
>

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:57:01 GMT, jab-ph <jabingb@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>Thanks for your inputs. I have a 2Wire 1000 HG Home Portal router/modem
>establishing the home network. The garage actually contains 2 K-class
>servers, a 570 UX machine and a 929KS MPE machine. Ideally, if I could
>put both K-class servers on a common network in the garage (4 port
>Ethernet - wireless router) and use that to communicate to the 2Wire?

The 2wire 1000HG ("hyper-G") has 802.11g wireless built in. You win.

I'm not familiar with HP hardware. This was crossposted to a wireless
newsgroup. I'll assume that there's a web browser in there somewhere.
That's all that's needed to configure either the wireless ethernet
client or the 2wire router. If you want to play with the 2wire
settings, just run:
http://172.16.0.1 or http://gateway.2Wire.net
See generic install docs at:
http://www.2wire.com/pages/pdfs/5100....000.Rev.B.pdf
The WEP encryption key is on the serial number tag on the bottom of
the 1000HG.

>Am I on the right track or off in left field someplace?

Sorta. You didn't answer 2 of my questions:
1. What does the RF path look like between the garage and where the
2wire router is sitting? If you don't have line of sight, it's not
going to work.
2. Do you want to connect all those computers to the internet? It's
not a problem but if you want to connect only one, there are other
solutions that might work.

My guess is you want everything connected. I suggest a Linksys WRT54G
with either Sveasoft Alchemy firmware. See:
| http://www.sveasoft.com/content/view/3/1/ (slow due to DDoS attack)
or:
| http://wrt-wiki.bsr-clan.de/index.ph...9#Feature_List
Both allow a "client mode" which will handle multiple MAC addresses.
Just plug it into your garage network, configure with a web browser,
and connect to the 2wire 1000HG router.

One catch is that Linksys has released Version 4 and 5 of the WRT54G
and the Alchemy firmware does not work with these hardware versions.
Be careful what you buy. Rev 3 or earlier work fine. Sveasoft just
released Talisman 1.1 which is allegedly a substantial improvement,
but costs $20.
| http://www.linksysinfo.org/
However, DD-WRT works with version 4 or 5 hardware.

Other firmware feature comparison:
| http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules.p...howpage&pid=31

>Again, if that
>is possible, the question is how to configure that device, just hook up
>a PC with an Ethernet to accomplish that task initially?

Yep. Any computah with a web browser and TCP/IP will be useable to
configure the devices. Try it with your 2wire.
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Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558