Re: Inter-operability of Draft-n equipment

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:07:24 +0200, henry999@eircom.net (Henry) wrote in
<1ic1w1x.7afdfc1i6elhpN%henry999@eircom.net>:

>Finalisation of 802.11n is still reportedly over a year away. There is
>of course no guarantee (actually, little likelihood) that any of the
>draft-n gear available now will be upgradable to the standard, when it
>comes.
>
>The conventional wisdom for using draft-n equipment at the moment is to
>get all the pieces from the same manufacturer, to make sure they work
>together as intended. But that's not always possible.

Why not?

My own conventional wisdom is to stick to 802.11g gear. Why pay a
premium for uncertain value? When more signal is needed, better
antenna(s) are often a better bet.

>Have any of the computer or networking magazines, or any of the
>consumer-protection testing labs, run any studies comparing how well (or
>how poorly) 'mixed' environment networks run? Things like 'The A pcmcia
>card works with B's router but not C's access point, while D's pci
>adapter works with routers from A and C but not B', etc., etc.

I've seen some small tests, but don't know anyone that's undertaken the
gargantuan task of wide interoperability testing.

>Given that there are only, what?, four or five or six major
>manufacturers of consumer- and SOHO-level equipment, it shouldn't be too
>hard to put the more popular models through their paces.

Actually very hard to get all the gear and test it properly, and hard to
see how it would pay off.

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:43:01 +0200, henry999@eircom.net (Henry) wrote in
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>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> henry999@eircom.net (Henry) wrote
>
>> >get all the pieces from the same manufacturer, to make sure they work
>> >together as intended. But that's not always possible.
>>
>> Why not?
>
>Why not? Erm ... what about the situation where a single manufacturer
>just doesn't make all of the parts that you need?

Why not pick a manufacturer that makes all the parts you need?

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John Navas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:43:01 +0200, henry999@eircom.net (Henry) wrote in
> <1ic3fth.11wa4r21i51vl3N%henry999@eircom.net>:
>
>> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> henry999@eircom.net (Henry) wrote
>>>> get all the pieces from the same manufacturer, to make sure they work
>>>> together as intended. But that's not always possible.
>>> Why not?
>> Why not? Erm ... what about the situation where a single manufacturer
>> just doesn't make all of the parts that you need?
>
> Why not pick a manufacturer that makes all the parts you need?

I guess the OP's point is that there isn't one.
Read what he wrote again.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:16:57 +0000, Mark McIntyre
<markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
<JBLrj.24739$l93.20508@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:43:01 +0200, henry999@eircom.net (Henry) wrote in
>> <1ic3fth.11wa4r21i51vl3N%henry999@eircom.net>:
>>
>>> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> henry999@eircom.net (Henry) wrote
>>>>> get all the pieces from the same manufacturer, to make sure they work
>>>>> together as intended. But that's not always possible.
>>>> Why not?
>>> Why not? Erm ... what about the situation where a single manufacturer
>>> just doesn't make all of the parts that you need?
>>
>> Why not pick a manufacturer that makes all the parts you need?
>
>I guess the OP's point is that there isn't one.
>Read what he wrote again.

* Apple is just one manufacturer
* Any device can be attached with a wireless Ethernet client bridge.
* OP problem is easily addressed with Linksys WGA600N Wireless-N Game
Adapter and a number of Linksys Wireless-N wireless routers

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John Navas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:16:57 +0000, Mark McIntyre
> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
> <JBLrj.24739$l93.20508@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:43:01 +0200, henry999@eircom.net (Henry) wrote in
>>> <1ic3fth.11wa4r21i51vl3N%henry999@eircom.net>:
>>>
>>>> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> henry999@eircom.net (Henry) wrote
>>>>>> get all the pieces from the same manufacturer, to make sure they work
>>>>>> together as intended. But that's not always possible.
>>>>> Why not?
>>>> Why not? Erm ... what about the situation where a single manufacturer
>>>> just doesn't make all of the parts that you need?
>>> Why not pick a manufacturer that makes all the parts you need?
>> I guess the OP's point is that there isn't one.
>> Read what he wrote again.
>
> * Apple is just one manufacturer
> * Any device can be attached with a wireless Ethernet client bridge.

Correct but irrelevant to his actual statement which was

"what about the situation where a single manufacturer just doesn't make
all of the parts that you need?"

Note that he did not make this statement specifically with reference to
wireless, apple or pre-n.

On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:27:25 +0000, Mark McIntyre
<markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
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>John Navas wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:16:57 +0000, Mark McIntyre
>> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
>> <JBLrj.24739$l93.20508@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com>:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:43:01 +0200, henry999@eircom.net (Henry) wrote in
>>>> <1ic3fth.11wa4r21i51vl3N%henry999@eircom.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> henry999@eircom.net (Henry) wrote
>>>>>>> get all the pieces from the same manufacturer, to make sure they work
>>>>>>> together as intended. But that's not always possible.
>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>> Why not? Erm ... what about the situation where a single manufacturer
>>>>> just doesn't make all of the parts that you need?
>>>> Why not pick a manufacturer that makes all the parts you need?
>>> I guess the OP's point is that there isn't one.
>>> Read what he wrote again.
>>
>> * Apple is just one manufacturer
>> * Any device can be attached with a wireless Ethernet client bridge.
>
>Correct but irrelevant to his actual statement which was
>
>"what about the situation where a single manufacturer just doesn't make
>all of the parts that you need?"
>
>Note that he did not make this statement specifically with reference to
>wireless, apple or pre-n.

No such actual situation has been demonstrated.

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John Navas wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:27:25 +0000, Mark McIntyre
> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
> <yR4sj.4714$ts1.1739@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>
>>> * Any device can be attached with a wireless Ethernet client bridge.
>> Correct but irrelevant to his actual statement which was
>>
>> "what about the situation where a single manufacturer just doesn't make
>> all of the parts that you need?"
>>
>> Note that he did not make this statement specifically with reference to
>> wireless, apple or pre-n.
>
> No such actual situation has been demonstrated.

He didn't say it had - it was an answer to the question "why not?" in
relation to the remark that it isn't always possible to pick a single
manufacturer.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:13:59 +0000, Mark McIntyre
<markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
<HSosj.15914$Ws7.992@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:27:25 +0000, Mark McIntyre
>> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
>> <yR4sj.4714$ts1.1739@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
> >
>>>> * Any device can be attached with a wireless Ethernet client bridge.
>>> Correct but irrelevant to his actual statement which was
>>>
>>> "what about the situation where a single manufacturer just doesn't make
>>> all of the parts that you need?"
>>>
>>> Note that he did not make this statement specifically with reference to
>>> wireless, apple or pre-n.
>>
>> No such actual situation has been demonstrated.
>
>He didn't say it had - it was an answer to the question "why not?" in
>relation to the remark that it isn't always possible to pick a single
>manufacturer.

Again, no such actual situation has been demonstrated.

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John Navas wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:13:59 +0000, Mark McIntyre
> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
> <HSosj.15914$Ws7.992@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com>:
>
>> John Navas wrote:

>>> No such actual situation has been demonstrated.
>> He didn't say it had - it was an answer to the question "why not?" in
>> relation to the remark that it isn't always possible to pick a single
>> manufacturer.
>
> Again, no such actual situation has been demonstrated.

Again, HE DIDNT SAY IT HAD. What is it with you ? Do you enjoy being a
total dipstick?

He was pointing out that if you can't get it all from one maker, you
can't get it all from one maker. Whats to disagree with?

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:38:50 +0000, Mark McIntyre
<markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
<fcLsj.275$fc1.97@en-nntp-09.am2.easynews.com>:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:13:59 +0000, Mark McIntyre
>> <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote in
>> <HSosj.15914$Ws7.992@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com>:
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>
>>>> No such actual situation has been demonstrated.
>>> He didn't say it had - it was an answer to the question "why not?" in
>>> relation to the remark that it isn't always possible to pick a single
>>> manufacturer.
>>
>> Again, no such actual situation has been demonstrated.
>
>Again, HE DIDNT SAY IT HAD. What is it with you ? Do you enjoy being a
>total dipstick?

Same question to you. He posed a meaningless question.

>He was pointing out that if you can't get it all from one maker, you
>can't get it all from one maker. Whats to disagree with?

That you can't, because you can, as I demonstrated.

Regardless, that discourtesy was totally uncalled for, and I'm now done
with wasting time on this silly issue. Feel free to have the last word.

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