David Moyer wrote:
> News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
>> inefficiently as possible.
>
> people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
> line... apple is paving the future for all of us
Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
> >> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
> >> inefficiently as possible.
> >
> > people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
> > line... apple is paving the future for all of us
>
> Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
said the Punchcard Operator to the Guy sitting in front of a Terminal in
1969 :)
> Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
> generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
> associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
>
> Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
so there won't be any additional charges. sounds like you are behind the
curve.
David Moyer wrote:
> News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>>>> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
>>>> inefficiently as possible.
>>> people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
>>> line... apple is paving the future for all of us
>> Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
>> Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
>> generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
>> associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
>>
>> Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
>
> no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
"David Moyer" <davmoy@world.com> wrote in message
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> News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> >> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
>> >> inefficiently as possible.
>> >
>> > people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there.
>> > bottom
>> > line... apple is paving the future for all of us
>>
>> Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
>
> said the Punchcard Operator to the Guy sitting in front of a Terminal in
> 1969 :)
>
>> Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
>> generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
>> associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
>>
>> Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
>
> no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
> so there won't be any additional charges. sounds like you are behind the
> curve.
> >>>> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
> >>>> inefficiently as possible.
> >>> people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
> >>> line... apple is paving the future for all of us
> >> Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
> >> Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
> >> generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
> >> associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
> >>
> >> Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
> >
> > no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
>
>
> Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
what liability? ATT has already said they're not going to do anything,
but hope people can wait for the official rollout coming late in the
summer.
David Moyer wrote:
> News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
>>>>>> inefficiently as possible.
>>>>> people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
>>>>> line... apple is paving the future for all of us
>>>> Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
>>>> Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
>>>> generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
>>>> associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
>>> no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
>>
>> Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
>
> what liability? ATT has already said they're not going to do anything
On Jun 25, 2:51*pm, David Moyer <dav...@world.com> wrote:
> News <N...@Group.Name> wrote:
> > >> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
> > >> inefficiently as possible.
>
> > > people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
> > > line... apple is paving the future for all of us
>
> > Not exactly; *fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
>
> said the Punchcard Operator to the Guy sitting in front of a Terminal in
> 1969 :)
>
> > Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
> > generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
> > associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
>
> > Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
>
> no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
so why does apple tell you it's att's fault that the iphone doesn't do
tethering, ? :P
> so there won't be any additional charges. sounds like you are behind the
> curve.
> > no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
>
> so why does apple tell you it's att's fault that the iphone doesn't do
> tethering, ? :P
that's because ATT doesn't allow it since they aren't ready for the
demand. apple is ready, ATT isn't.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:54:05 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
in <4a440e1d$0$48224$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>> > no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
>>
>> Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
>
>what liability? ATT has already said they're not going to do anything,
Really? Citation?
>but hope people can wait for the official rollout coming late in the
>summer.
Got a cite for that too? Or must we take your word for it?
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If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do fans keep making excuses for it?
> >> > no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
> >>
> >> Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
> >
> >what liability? ATT has already said they're not going to do anything,
>
> Really? Citation?
AT&T Tolerates iPhone Tethering Technique - PC Magazine 12:13 PM
look it up yourself
> >but hope people can wait for the official rollout coming late in the
> >summer.
>
> Got a cite for that too? Or must we take your word for it?
AT&T Tolerates iPhone Tethering Technique - PC Magazine 12:13 PM
next time, try and keep up on the news, you probably still don't know
that Michael Jackson is dead.
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:51:52 -0400, David Moyer wrote:
>> Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
>
> said the Punchcard Operator to the Guy sitting in front of a Terminal in
> 1969 :)
And when the terrorists knock out our all-digital world, the terminal guy
will ask, "can I borrow your keypunch and card reader?"
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:23:14 -0400, David Moyer wrote:
>> so why does apple tell you it's att's fault that the iphone doesn't do
>> tethering, ? :P
>
> that's because ATT doesn't allow it since they aren't ready for the
> demand. apple is ready, ATT isn't.
AT&T tethers with other phones now. I think they're just figuring out a way
to soak users for more money.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:05:04 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
in <4a441ec0$0$48220$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >> > no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
>> >>
>> >> Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
>> >
>> >what liability? ATT has already said they're not going to do anything,
>>
>> Really? Citation?
>
>AT&T Tolerates iPhone Tethering Technique - PC Magazine 12:13 PM
>
>look it up yourself
>
>> >but hope people can wait for the official rollout coming late in the
>> >summer.
>>
>> Got a cite for that too? Or must we take your word for it?
>
>AT&T Tolerates iPhone Tethering Technique - PC Magazine 12:13 PM
>
>next time, try and keep up on the news, you probably still don't know
>that Michael Jackson is dead.
Next time, read your cite before posting --
it doesn't say what you claim.
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"Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level
and then beat you with experience." -Dr. Alan Zimmerman
> >> so why does apple tell you it's att's fault that the iphone doesn't do
> >> tethering, ? :P
> >
> > that's because ATT doesn't allow it since they aren't ready for the
> > demand. apple is ready, ATT isn't.
>
> AT&T tethers with other phones now. I think they're just figuring out a way
> to soak users for more money.
nah, they are just concerned about bandwidth as it absorbs 4, 5 million
new iphones over the next few months... once all that settles down, they
flip the switch, and rumors continue there will be no extra charge.
> > AT&T tethers with other phones now. I think they're just figuring out a
way
> > to soak users for more money.
>
> nah, they are just concerned about bandwidth as it absorbs 4, 5 million
> new iphones over the next few months... once all that settles down, they
> flip the switch, and rumors continue there will be no extra charge.
"Rumors continue?" A few hours ago you just posted a link to a PC Mag
article ("AT&T Tolerates iPhone Tethering Technique") which said: "We have
said that we will offer tethering at some point in the future," [AT&T
spokesman Mark] Siegel said. "We will not say right now what the price is,
though there will be a fee."
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>
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:23:14 -0400, David Moyer wrote:
>>> so why does apple tell you it's att's fault that the iphone doesn't do
>>> tethering, ? :P
>> that's because ATT doesn't allow it since they aren't ready for the
>> demand. apple is ready, ATT isn't.
>
> AT&T tethers with other phones now.
> I think they're just figuring out a way
> to soak users for more money.
That's the most likely turn of events. Pay up, fanbois!
> > nah, they are just concerned about bandwidth as it absorbs 4, 5 million
> > new iphones over the next few months... once all that settles down, they
> > flip the switch, and rumors continue there will be no extra charge.
>
>
> "Rumors continue?" A few hours ago you just posted a link to a PC Mag
> article ("AT&T Tolerates iPhone Tethering Technique") which said: "We have
> said that we will offer tethering at some point in the future," [AT&T
> spokesman Mark] Siegel said. "We will not say right now what the price is,
> though there will be a fee."
we'll see, the rumor is there will be no additional charge below the 5GB
cap.
> > > nah, they are just concerned about bandwidth as it absorbs 4, 5
million
> > > new iphones over the next few months... once all that settles down,
they
> > > flip the switch, and rumors continue there will be no extra charge.
> >
> >
> > "Rumors continue?" A few hours ago you just posted a link to a PC Mag
> > article ("AT&T Tolerates iPhone Tethering Technique") which said: "We
have
> > said that we will offer tethering at some point in the future," [AT&T
> > spokesman Mark] Siegel said. "We will not say right now what the price
is,
> > though there will be a fee."
>
> we'll see, the rumor is there will be no additional charge below the 5GB
> cap.
Good luck with that. I suspect it'll go the way of the "smaller,cheaper
iPhone with cheaper data plan" rumor.
In aggregate, iPhone users are consuming far more than their share of
system resources, and getting away with it because you're spending more
than everyone else. You're like the United States in cellular customer form.
;)
Historically, you guys have demonstrated a wilingness to pay whatever AT&T
is asking for service, even when it lacked features other customers have (3G,
MMS.) What possible incentive does AT&T have to give you anything for free
since you'll open your wallets on demand?
Here's MY rumor, Oxy- you'll pay $30/month extra to tether, just like
smartphone users, else the tethering app will deny access. My guess is
that the delay is more about adding the appropriate "blocks" to the netork
than preparing for an "onslaught" of users. If anything, I'd suspect
iPhone users would be light tetherers. The more you use your phone for
web, email, and time wasting, the less you need to lug a computer around.
> > we'll see, the rumor is there will be no additional charge below the 5GB
> > cap.
>
> Good luck with that. I suspect it'll go the way of the "smaller,cheaper
> iPhone with cheaper data plan" rumor.
well, it's currently free to have tethering on your iphone, so that
should remain the same.
yes, the iPhone nano is still a ways off, but obviously that will happen
in time.
> In aggregate, iPhone users are consuming far more than their share of
> system resources, and getting away with it because you're spending more
> than everyone else. You're like the United States in cellular customer form.
> ;)
yes, it's expensive to blaze the trail for others to follow, that is
nothing new to apple users.
> Historically, you guys have demonstrated a wilingness to pay whatever AT&T
> is asking for service, even when it lacked features other customers have (3G,
> MMS.) What possible incentive does AT&T have to give you anything for free
> since you'll open your wallets on demand?
why is money such a concern? this is about changing society, not about
money. ATT is a puppet of Apple in all of this, they signed the
contract, so they have to perform to Apple's script.
> Here's MY rumor, Oxy- you'll pay $30/month extra to tether, just like
> smartphone users, else the tethering app will deny access. My guess is
> that the delay is more about adding the appropriate "blocks" to the netork
> than preparing for an "onslaught" of users. If anything, I'd suspect
> iPhone users would be light tetherers. The more you use your phone for
> web, email, and time wasting, the less you need to lug a computer around.
currently it's $0.00. what you are not yet understanding is iPhone users
come from the pure computer world, where there are always workarounds.
the Cell networks will have to bend to us, not the other way around. We
control this market now... as ATT is learning.
In article <4a44e414$0$89877$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, David Moyer
<davmoy@world.com> wrote:
> > > we'll see, the rumor is there will be no additional charge below the 5GB
> > > cap.
> >
> > Good luck with that. I suspect it'll go the way of the "smaller,cheaper
> > iPhone with cheaper data plan" rumor.
>
> well, it's currently free to have tethering on your iphone, so that
> should remain the same.
it's currently not supported and is also a terms of service violation,
and it is very unlikely that the price will remain the same. at&t said
there will be a fee, just not how much. they did say that it won't be
$55/month as one rumour suggested, however.
> > Historically, you guys have demonstrated a wilingness to pay whatever AT&T
> > is asking for service, even when it lacked features other customers have
> > (3G,
> > MMS.) What possible incentive does AT&T have to give you anything for free
> > since you'll open your wallets on demand?
>
> why is money such a concern? this is about changing society, not about
> money. ATT is a puppet of Apple in all of this, they signed the
> contract, so they have to perform to Apple's script.
nonsense. they both signed a contract and nobody outside of either
company knows the exact terms (but there's a lot of wild speculation).
> > Here's MY rumor, Oxy- you'll pay $30/month extra to tether, just like
> > smartphone users, else the tethering app will deny access. My guess is
> > that the delay is more about adding the appropriate "blocks" to the netork
> > than preparing for an "onslaught" of users. If anything, I'd suspect
> > iPhone users would be light tetherers. The more you use your phone for
> > web, email, and time wasting, the less you need to lug a computer around.
>
> currently it's $0.00. what you are not yet understanding is iPhone users
> come from the pure computer world, where there are always workarounds.
> the Cell networks will have to bend to us, not the other way around. We
> control this market now... as ATT is learning.
> > currently it's $0.00. what you are not yet understanding is iPhone users
> > come from the pure computer world, where there are always workarounds.
> > the Cell networks will have to bend to us, not the other way around. We
> > control this market now... as ATT is learning.
>
> nonsense.
nope, you might want to revisit the community creed:
"here¹s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers.
The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently.
They¹re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo.
You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About
the only thing you can¹t do is ignore them. Because they change things.
They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the
crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to
think they can change the world, are the ones who do."
In article <4a44fcbc$0$89871$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, David Moyer
<davmoy@world.com> wrote:
> > > currently it's $0.00. what you are not yet understanding is iPhone users
> > > come from the pure computer world, where there are always workarounds.
> > > the Cell networks will have to bend to us, not the other way around. We
> > > control this market now... as ATT is learning.
> >
> > nonsense.
>
> nope, you might want to revisit the community creed:
>
> "here¹s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers.
> The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently.
>
> They¹re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo.
> You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About
> the only thing you can¹t do is ignore them. Because they change things.
>
> They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the
> crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to
> think they can change the world, are the ones who do."
like i said, nonsense. that says absolutely nothing about what at&t
will charge for tethering.
In article <4a4505d5$0$89874$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, David Moyer
<davmoy@world.com> wrote:
> > like i said, nonsense. that says absolutely nothing about what at&t
> > will charge for tethering.
>
> obviously, but today, it's free... that is the point...
today it's a terms of service violation. the fact that it's free right
now is more luck than anything else.
nospam wrote:
> In article <4a4505d5$0$89874$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, David Moyer
> <davmoy@world.com> wrote:
>
>>> like i said, nonsense. that says absolutely nothing about what at&t
>>> will charge for tethering.
>> obviously, but today, it's free... that is the point...
>
> today it's a terms of service violation. the fact that it's free right
> now is more luck than anything else.
> > > like i said, nonsense. that says absolutely nothing about what at&t
> > > will charge for tethering.
> >
> > obviously, but today, it's free... that is the point...
>
> today it's a terms of service violation. the fact that it's free right
> now is more luck than anything else.
it's not a violation unless a court case is won, so currently it's free.
zero luck is involved, it's just the mac community standing against
corporations, as it always has.
David Moyer wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>> like i said, nonsense. that says absolutely nothing about what at&t
>>>> will charge for tethering.
>>> obviously, but today, it's free... that is the point...
>> today it's a terms of service violation. the fact that it's free right
>> now is more luck than anything else.
>
> it's not a violation unless a court case is won, so currently it's free.
>
> zero luck is involved, it's just the mac community standing against
> corporations, as it always has.
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:23:32 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
in <4a451224$0$89877$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > > like i said, nonsense. that says absolutely nothing about what at&t
>> > > will charge for tethering.
>> >
>> > obviously, but today, it's free... that is the point...
>>
>> today it's a terms of service violation. the fact that it's free right
>> now is more luck than anything else.
>
>it's not a violation unless a court case is won, so currently it's free.
Sorry, but that's not how the law works.
>zero luck is involved, it's just the mac community standing against
>corporations, as it always has.
How silly and childish.
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>> Here's MY rumor, Oxy- you'll pay $30/month extra to tether, just like
>> smartphone users, else the tethering app will deny access. My guess is
>> that the delay is more about adding the appropriate "blocks" to the
>> netork
>> than preparing for an "onslaught" of users. If anything, I'd suspect
>> iPhone users would be light tetherers. The more you use your phone for
>> web, email, and time wasting, the less you need to lug a computer around.
>
> currently it's $0.00. what you are not yet understanding is iPhone users
> come from the pure computer world, where there are always workarounds.
I realize there are workarounds. I've been tethering PDAs and PCs to cell
phones since the days when they used adapters with RJ-11 jacks to connect
the PC to.
My point is that when AT&T locks down the system, they'll block tethering
via the "official" phone tethering menu method unless you subscribe to a
tethering plan. The jailbreakers have been tethering right along, and will
continue to under the radar.
> the Cell networks will have to bend to us, not the other way around. We
> control this market now... as ATT is learning.
AT&T is learning that the appropriate bright shiny object can be more locked
down than any phone on their network yet can still can milk a customer for
an average of $90+ a month instead of the average $55 everyone else is
paying. You're really showing them, Oxy! If you want AT&T and the cell
networks to "learn" something- use an iPod Touch!
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