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Old 08-20-2007, 11:03 PM
Jeff Liebermann
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kornealius <kornealius.2vmy8f@no-mx.wirelessforums.org> hath wroth:

>Any ideas for my amber light router? I've tried a reset/restore
>factory settings and neither have any visible effect at all....


Nope. Any particular model number Netgear router? Extra credit for
also disclosing the hardware version number.

Also, which light is amber/orange? What's the label on the light say?

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Old 08-21-2007, 10:25 PM
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Hi!

> Also, which light is amber/orange? What's the label on the light say?


I think the OP said that they plugged in a network cable and got an orange
link light.

On my WGR-614v6 (and some others) that means you've got a 10 megabit link
(!!!!) instead of a 100 megabit link, which is the normal green light. It's
not mentioned in the manual that I can see...and I was pleasantly surprised
to see after plugging in a PS/2 Model 95 that there was a means of determing
link speed by light color included with it. Too bad the rest of it doesn't
work all that well...

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Old 08-22-2007, 12:46 AM
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"William R. Walsh"
<newsgroups1@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.co m> hath wroth:

>> Also, which light is amber/orange? What's the label on the light say?

>
>I think the OP said that they plugged in a network cable and got an orange
>link light.


Nope. I re-read the original and it was the power light:
"I noticed that the power light is solid amber rather and I
think it used to be green."
I missed that line. Without the model number, I can tell if that's
normal or means something important.

>On my WGR-614v6 (and some others) that means you've got a 10 megabit link
>(!!!!) instead of a 100 megabit link, which is the normal green light.


What color is the Netgear power light normally? What color while
booting?

>It's
>not mentioned in the manual that I can see.


I never read the manual until after I get into trouble. It's a matter
of pride. I have to maintain the illusion that I know everything
(except the color of the Netgear pilot light).

>..and I was pleasantly surprised
>to see after plugging in a PS/2 Model 95 that there was a means of determing
>link speed by light color included with it. Too bad the rest of it doesn't
>work all that well...


We used to use those as servers around 1987. 486DX33 CPU's.

I just tossed a PS/2 Muddle 30-286. The reason it took so long is
that there were tons of other PS/2 boxes and parts on top of it. Good
riddance. Want a large box of assorted PS/2 boards cheap? Most were
pulled from Model 95 servers.

Cramming an ATX motherboard into a Model 95 case:
<http://kentie.net/article/ps2atx/index.htm>

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Old 08-23-2007, 04:30 AM
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Default Re: My netgear router light has gone orange....

Hi!

> Nope. I re-read the original and it was the power light:


Ah, OK. Don't know how I missed that, but I did. An amber power light
doesn't sound good. I've not heard of one doing that before.

> What color is the Netgear power light normally? What color while
> booting?


On my WGR614v6, the startup process goes something like this:
All lights on
All lights off
Power light on
Radio light blinks
Ethernet port lights come in if anything is attached them and alive
Up and running

There's a "check mark" that should come on if the unit is completely up and
working, but it doesn't seem to apply in the bridge mode.

> I never read the manual until after I get into trouble. It's a matter
> of pride. I have to maintain the illusion that I know everything
> (except the color of the Netgear pilot light).


I didn't touch it until I was curious--as in "that's an interesting feature.
I wonder if they talk about it in the book." Not a word was said.

> We used to use those as servers around 1987. 486DX33 CPU's.


This one has the clock doubling (50MHz) "L" complex in it. I have some DX33
boards, but they don't see regular use.

> I just tossed a PS/2 Muddle 30-286. The reason it took so long is
> that there were tons of other PS/2 boxes and parts on top of it.


Any 9585 K/N boxen in there? I've been looking and wanting one for *years*.
I have lots of 9585-xXx boxen.

> Want a large box of assorted PS/2 boards cheap? Most were
> pulled from Model 95 servers.


Sure, why not. Almost anything is interesting and could be put to good use.
(For whatever it might be worth, I have an operating Token Ring notwork
bridged to my Ethernet toys by way of an IBM 8229.)

wct <atsign> walshcomptech <dot> com

> Cramming an ATX motherboard into a Model 95 case:
> <http://kentie.net/article/ps2atx/index.htm>


Sacrilege! Aaaah! :-)

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Old 08-23-2007, 02:30 PM
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Hi!

> On my WGR614v6, the startup process goes something like
> this:
> All lights on
> All lights off
> Power light on
> Radio light blinks
> Ethernet port lights come in if anything is attached them and
> alive
> Up and running


And, of course, all during the startup process, the lights are green.
I didn't know that any of the indicators on it were capable of any
other color, but at least the Ethernet indicators are.

> > I just tossed a PS/2 Muddle 30-286.


While on the subject...in amongst the things you've been tossing out,
were there any Dallas clock modules? (DS1287/12887/1387) I'm
interested in getting my hands on as many of those as I can, and I
don't care if they are depleted or not:

(warning: going off topic a bit)

http://www.walshcomptech.com/ps2/dallasrework.html
http://greyghost.dyndns.org/ds1387rework/

William


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Old 08-23-2007, 03:07 PM
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"William R. Walsh"
<newsgroups1@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.co m> hath wroth:

>Any 9585 K/N boxen in there? I've been looking and wanting one for *years*.
>I have lots of 9585-xXx boxen.


Nope. No planars (motherboards) in the pile. Since I figured no sane
person would ever want them, when we scrapped out the Model 95's, we
only kept the stuff that was easily removeable. Before you accuse me
of lack of imagination and forsight, management wanted to toss the
whole server farm, and I organized a last minute salvage operation. It
was the best I could do in one afternoon. Most of the pile was then
sold over the years. I'm down to about 70 assorted PS/2 plugin cards.

Hint: I collect old red LED HP calculators.

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Old 08-23-2007, 03:35 PM
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wm_walsh@hotmail.com hath wroth:

>And, of course, all during the startup process, the lights are green.
>I didn't know that any of the indicators on it were capable of any
>other color, but at least the Ethernet indicators are.


We still don't know the model number of the Netgear router. The color
may be different for different models. I won't speculate or try to
remember the boot (color) sequence. I tried using the Netgear
knowledge base search thing for at least the last 60 minutes and am
getting:

Support Search is Unavailable

The search engine for the NETGEAR North American Support is
unavailable for 5 minutes while implementing new features
or indexing new documents.

The connection with the server was terminated abnormally : 80072EFE

Oh well. I really miss the good old days of honest error messages.

>While on the subject...in amongst the things you've been tossing out,
>were there any Dallas clock modules? (DS1287/12887/1387) I'm
>interested in getting my hands on as many of those as I can, and I
>don't care if they are depleted or not:


Actually yes. They all probably have dead batteries inside, but you
might get lucky. When I immolated all my 286 motherboards on the
hibachi as sacrifice to the computer gods, I kept some of the easily
removable parts. I'll look.

>(warning: going off topic a bit)
>
>http://www.walshcomptech.com/ps2/dallasrework.html
>http://greyghost.dyndns.org/ds1387rework/


Yuck. Dremel grinding is a bit drastic. It could easily shatter the
crystal or IC wire bonds. I like to use a chemical attack. Hysol
Epoxy Dissolver. I don't have the docs handy, but I think there's a
new improved version available from Dextor. It's mostly alcohol of
some sort and is very handy for reverse engineering potted modules.
Paint stripper sometimes works. Details when I find them.
<http://www.google.com/patents?id=-aABAAAAEBAJ&dq=4294729>

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Old 08-23-2007, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: My netgear router light has gone orange....

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> fired this volley in
news:dv7rc3pl0s0l54tj77ummrlporoh2i3sqj@4ax.com:

> Hint: I collect old red LED HP calculators.
>

Yeah, but Jeff... they still WORK! (even the keys)

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Old 08-24-2007, 03:06 AM
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> Nope. I re-read the original and it was the power light:
> "I noticed that the power light is solid amber rather and I
> think it used to be green."
> I missed that line. Without the model number, I can tell if that's
> normal or means something important.


> >On my WGR-614v6 (and some others) that means you've got a 10 megabit link
> >(!!!!) instead of a 100 megabit link, which is the normal green light.


That is true on mine as well.

> What color is the Netgear power light normally? What color while
> booting?


My Netgear WGR614v4 Firmware Version V5.0_07
Turns the power light solid amber for 5 seconds during power on, then five
seconds blinking amber, then solid green, with or without the WAN cable
attached. The "wireless" light blinks once between the two amber stages,
and later becomes a WiFi activity indicator.

After you convinced me to "factory reset it" the other day, I'm using it
daisy chained behind a Motorola SB5100 cable modem - Linksys BEFW11S4v3
- Dlink DVG-5102S - Netgear WGR614v4.

I don't know if the factory reset or being off for a few hours cured it of
yesterday's illness, but it has been fine today.

Funny, I can ping the Linksys router, but I can't connect to the web
management interface, on my twice removed NAT address.

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Old 08-24-2007, 03:48 AM
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Hi!

> Before you accuse me of lack of imagination and forsight, management
> wanted to toss the whole server farm, and I organized a last minute

salvage
> operation.


I wasn't about to do that! :-) I've seen Server 95s whose cases were smashed
and bashed in. Given what they're made of, I cannot fully contemplate the
*enormous* amount of abuse it took to make that happen.

And I realize that like anything, you can't save 'em all. I'm happy to have
what I do and am always looking for more stuff to salvage.

> Hint: I collect old red LED HP calculators.


I don't really have anything interesting to offer in trade, calculators
aren't my specialty. (But, you know, one did wander in and needed to be
saved: http://greyghost.dyndns.org/director2/). The only thing I could
really offer you is cash--some not-too-unreasonable amount--for the
adapters.

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Old 08-24-2007, 04:48 AM
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"William R. Walsh"
<newsgroups1@idontwantjunqueemail.walshcomptech.co m> hath wroth:

>And I realize that like anything, you can't save 'em all. I'm happy to have
>what I do and am always looking for more stuff to salvage.


For a while, the local dump was separating out the eWaste:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/e-waste/index.html>
It didn't last, but while it did, I was able to do a substantial
amount of (unauthorized) salvage.

There was a time, when IBM was into crushing their old hardware to
prevent it from being resold on the surplus market. Other companies
are still having problems competing with their own surplus hardware.

>> Hint: I collect old red LED HP calculators.

>
>I don't really have anything interesting to offer in trade, calculators
>aren't my specialty. (But, you know, one did wander in and needed to be
>saved: http://greyghost.dyndns.org/director2/).


Not a bad find. I've never heard of Eldorado Electrodata. Looks just
like one of these:
<http://www.vintagecalculators.com/AddmasterMerlin8K_1.jpg>
There were a fair number of strange products based on 4 function
calculator chips to appear in the early 1970's. I've found a few
oddities over the years, many of which look like "production
prototypes" and other oxymorons. I recall one that looked and weighed
like it was designed to survive a nuclear attack.

Incidentally, I just ordered an HP-35s (the commemorative version).

>The only thing I could
>really offer you is cash--some not-too-unreasonable amount--for the
>adapters.


Lets see what I find when I get back to my palatial office. I'm doing
the recovery thing after surgery 3 weeks ago and have no intention of
letting work get in the way of my loafing, errr... recovery. I should
pay a visit to my office within the next few daze and may attempt to
excavate the back of the closet where the M/C boards are probably
buried. This is when it was fairly clean:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/office/slides/office-panorama-2.html>
I would take a more up to date photo, but there's no empty place large
enough to place the tripod.

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Old 08-24-2007, 04:57 AM
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dold@97.usenet.us.com hath wroth:

>My Netgear WGR614v4 Firmware Version V5.0_07
>Turns the power light solid amber for 5 seconds during power on, then five
>seconds blinking amber, then solid green, with or without the WAN cable
>attached. The "wireless" light blinks once between the two amber stages,
>and later becomes a WiFi activity indicator.


Bingo. So if it's stuck on orange, it never finished booting. I've
seen that some a few Netgear routers. The solution was to reset
everything with the factory reset button. Near as I can guess(tm),
the saved setting in NVRAM were overscribbled by something, causing
the boot failure. No clue what caused it or how.

>After you convinced me to "factory reset it" the other day, I'm using it
>daisy chained behind a Motorola SB5100 cable modem - Linksys BEFW11S4v3
>- Dlink DVG-5102S - Netgear WGR614v4.


Hopefully on different RF channels. They will probably interfere with
each other. I dunno about the daisy chain idea. Just setup one of
the two routers as a router, and setup the other as a wireless access
point (no router) and eliminate the daisy chain (multiple NAT) mess.

>I don't know if the factory reset or being off for a few hours cured it of
>yesterday's illness, but it has been fine today.


I think it was the threat of having it tossed in the trash that
inspired the miraculous recovery.

>Funny, I can ping the Linksys router, but I can't connect to the web
>management interface, on my twice removed NAT address.


You probably have the Netgear and Linksys on the same Class C IP
address block of 192.168.1.xxx. Neither router will pass traffic from
the LAN to WAN side within the LAN IP block. Change the IP block for
the 2nd router and it will work.

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Old 08-24-2007, 06:29 AM
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> Hopefully on different RF channels. They will probably interfere with


They were both on 11 all day today. No problem, and they are within 10
feet of each other. I thought I had set one of them to 6... oh, that's
right, factory default reset ;-) I changed the Linksys to 1 when I
noticed. Odd the Linksys reports the firmware version on several
different pages, but doesn't expose the model number.

> each other. I dunno about the daisy chain idea. Just setup one of
> the two routers as a router, and setup the other as a wireless access
> point (no router) and eliminate the daisy chain (multiple NAT) mess.


I "replaced" the Netgear with the Linksys. Then I decided I wanted to see
if the reset thing worked on the Netgear, and the only open port I had was
downstream on the VoIP adapter ;-)

I might rearrange it tomorrow, if the Netgear continues to behave.
I really think the trouble started when I was cloning addresses to make the
cable modem happy, and probably wound up with two of the "same" MAC
addresses connected somewhere. Or maybe it just had a little hiccup during
that routine, and the factory reset made it all better.

> >Funny, I can ping the Linksys router, but I can't connect to the web
> >management interface, on my twice removed NAT address.


> You probably have the Netgear and Linksys on the same Class C IP
> address block of 192.168.1.xxx. Neither router will pass traffic from
> the LAN to WAN side within the LAN IP block. Change the IP block for
> the 2nd router and it will work.


The Linksys is at 192.168.18. The Netgear is at the factory default of
192.168.0, the DLink is at the factory default of 192.168.15. I can
share a volume and a printer off the 192.168.18.something PC, I just can't
open the web page of the router. Maybe because I'm not on the same subnet,
and I have "remote management" disabled? I thought that was only for the
WAN side address.

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Old 08-24-2007, 02:21 PM
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Hi!

> It didn't last, but while it did, I was able to do a substantial
> amount of (unauthorized) salvage.


I knew a guy who had a business not so much recycling but selling this
kind of stuff. Some stuff (that which was broken beyond repair or too
old) did go off to the recyclers, but most didn't. I *loved* to go
there and pick stuff up. Toward the end, it got to the point where I
could load a station wagon full of stuff for next to nothing.

Most of the computer recyclers I've met over time were real jerks.

> Not a bad find. I've never heard of Eldorado Electrodata.


I hadn't either, until a chance post to rec.antiques.radio+phono
brought up someone who had worked for them! What a find that was! They
did OEM a lot of calculators for other people.

> have no intention of letting work get in the way of my
> loafing, errr... recovery.


Good idea. ;-)

> http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/off...anorama-2.html


Wow...where have I seen something like that before? Surely *not* in my
own office! <grins> I love those mice hanging from the door.

Woefully out of date, but should give you an idea:
http://greyghost.dyndns.org/lab/day.htm

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