Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:09:21 +0100, Greg Hennessy wrote:
>>As an added measure of privacy & security, I like to change my IP address
>>approximately two or three times a week.
>
> A pointless waste of time and effort, giving you neither privacy or
> security.

All security is pointless if you think your way.
There are big things you can do to raise security and little things.

Big things are obvious (like locking your car doors or not doing personal
email at work).

But, little security measures add up too.

Each little thing (like rolling up your windows or like driving a different
way to work each day) helps turn off the bad guy who is looking for an easy
steal.

Some of the little things, like changing your MAC address, WPA keys, login,
password, and IP address periodically are well known and often advocated.

Why do you think only big security measures are useful?

"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:09:21 +0100, Greg Hennessy wrote:
> >>As an added measure of privacy & security, I like to change my IP
address
> >>approximately two or three times a week.
> >
> > A pointless waste of time and effort, giving you neither privacy or
> > security.
>
> All security is pointless if you think your way.
> There are big things you can do to raise security and little things.

Getting a different ip address every couple of hours is not one of them.
A decent firewall is all you need, and zone alarm has a free one for home
use.
If you are more concerned about being annoymous on the internet, check into
proxy connections to the internet.
You can do a google on anonymous browsing or related search and find all
kind of proxy servers.
>
> Big things are obvious (like locking your car doors or not doing personal
> email at work).
>
> But, little security measures add up too.
>
> Each little thing (like rolling up your windows or like driving a
different
> way to work each day) helps turn off the bad guy who is looking for an
easy
> steal.
>
> Some of the little things, like changing your MAC address, WPA keys,
login,
> password, and IP address periodically are well known and often advocated.

I have not seen where people have advocated changing their mac addresses or
ip addresses is a good security practice.
I have seen spammers, mass mailers, and other unsavory characters use those
techniques to try to hide.

"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4acmyzeeumco$.14yzpqd7hijla.dlg@40tude.net...
> > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:09:21 +0100, Greg Hennessy wrote:
> > >>As an added measure of privacy & security, I like to change my IP
> address
> > >>approximately two or three times a week.
> > >
> > > A pointless waste of time and effort, giving you neither privacy or
> > > security.
> >
> > All security is pointless if you think your way.
> > There are big things you can do to raise security and little things.
>
> Getting a different ip address every couple of hours is not one of them.
> A decent firewall is all you need, and zone alarm has a free one for home
> use.
> If you are more concerned about being annoymous on the internet, check
into
> proxy connections to the internet.
> You can do a google on anonymous browsing or related search and find all
> kind of proxy servers.

Take a look at these links

http://www.the-cloak.com/anonymous-surfing-home.html
http://proxify.com/
http://www.pcmesh.com/surf-anonymous.htm
http://www.megaproxy.com/
http://www.searchlores.org/anonyweb.htm
http://www.idzap.com/
> >
> > Big things are obvious (like locking your car doors or not doing
personal
> > email at work).
> >
> > But, little security measures add up too.
> >
> > Each little thing (like rolling up your windows or like driving a
> different
> > way to work each day) helps turn off the bad guy who is looking for an
> easy
> > steal.
> >
> > Some of the little things, like changing your MAC address, WPA keys,
> login,
> > password, and IP address periodically are well known and often
advocated.
>
> I have not seen where people have advocated changing their mac addresses
or
> ip addresses is a good security practice.
> I have seen spammers, mass mailers, and other unsavory characters use
those
> techniques to try to hide.
>
>
>

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:23:26 GMT, Aluxe <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote:


>Some of the little things, like changing your MAC address,

a.n other utterly pointless measure.

> WPA keys,

See above. Generating a proper wpa key is far more important.

>login,

Causing ridiculous inconvenience. Changing a login does not prevent any
audit trail from being followed. If the TPTB want to figure out WTF you're
upto, a warrant + sniffer at the ISP will do the rest.

>password, and IP address periodically are well known and often advocated.
>
>Why do you think only big security measures are useful?

Changing IP address is categorically *not* a security measure in any way
shape or form.

It is no more a security measure than utilising crapware such as Evidence
Eliminator.

Wasting time and energy changing things which do not need to be changed
will make you less secure in the long run.


What possible threats do you think changing IP address is protecting you
from ?


greg
--
"He's raising an unholy army of singing dinosaurs!"

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:39:13 -0800, Dana wrote:
> If you are more concerned about being annoymous on the internet, check into
> proxy connections to the internet.

Yes. This is the most important concern.

What is a "proxy connection".
I once set a 'proxy server' on a browser but it was horribly slow.
But that was way back in 1995 so maybe things are different now.

Is there a way to send this newsgroup message and have more privacy than I
have now?

For example, you already know (just from this message):
- My ISP
- My MAC (unique)
- My IP address (temporary)
- My Town (you get this from my IP address)
- My Newsreader
- My Operating System
(what else can you tell from this one news post?)

How can I post to the usenet without giving you all that information?

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:02:57 GMT, Aluxe <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote
in <9zdxf66b0znf.6yppb87o2zb.dlg@40tude.net>:

>On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:39:13 -0800, Dana wrote:
>> If you are more concerned about being annoymous on the internet, check into
>> proxy connections to the internet.
>
>Yes. This is the most important concern.
>
>What is a "proxy connection".

Consult Wikipedia. That's what it's there for.

>Is there a way to send this newsgroup message and have more privacy than I
>have now?

Sure -- use a news service that allows anonymous postings.

>For example, you already know (just from this message):
>- My ISP

Yes.

>- My MAC (unique)

No.

>- My IP address (temporary)

Yes.

>- My Town (you get this from my IP address)

Not necessarily.

>- My Newsreader

[yawn]

>- My Operating System

[yawn]

>(what else can you tell from this one news post?)

Who are you hiding from? ;)

>How can I post to the usenet without giving you all that information?

See above.

--
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John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
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Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>

> What possible threats do you think changing IP address
> is protecting you from ?

Why do they have little walls between the phones on the wall at the hotel
lobby?

This is a little way to protect your conversation from prying ears.

Why does my hatchback have a sliding cover over it. Another little way to
protect privacy.

I'm hoping that changing my IP address prevents a casual observer from
taking all my usenet posts and figuring out who I am, where I work, where i
live, who is my spouse, what I do for a living, etc.

Doesn't it make it harder for you to track all my usenet posts?
Can you easily track the last five hundred of my usenet posts otherwise?













n Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:59:28 +0100, Greg Hennessy wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:23:26 GMT, Aluxe <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Some of the little things, like changing your MAC address,
>
> a.n other utterly pointless measure.
>
>> WPA keys,
>
> See above. Generating a proper wpa key is far more important.
>
>>login,
>
> Causing ridiculous inconvenience. Changing a login does not prevent any
> audit trail from being followed. If the TPTB want to figure out WTF you're
> upto, a warrant + sniffer at the ISP will do the rest.
>
>>password, and IP address periodically are well known and often advocated.
>>
>>Why do you think only big security measures are useful?
>
> Changing IP address is categorically *not* a security measure in any way
> shape or form.
>
> It is no more a security measure than utilising crapware such as Evidence
> Eliminator.
>
> Wasting time and energy changing things which do not need to be changed
> will make you less secure in the long run.
>
>
> What possible threats do you think changing IP address is protecting you
> from ?
>
>
> greg

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:13:35 GMT, Aluxe <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote
in <10ttexze4eqnv$.1qiaxnv3efv7t.dlg@40tude.net>:

>> What possible threats do you think changing IP address
>> is protecting you from ?
>
>Why do they have little walls between the phones on the wall at the hotel
>lobby?
>
>This is a little way to protect your conversation from prying ears.
>
>Why does my hatchback have a sliding cover over it. Another little way to
>protect privacy.
>
>I'm hoping that changing my IP address prevents a casual observer from
>taking all my usenet posts and figuring out who I am, where I work, where i
>live, who is my spouse, what I do for a living, etc.
>
>Doesn't it make it harder for you to track all my usenet posts?
>Can you easily track the last five hundred of my usenet posts otherwise?

Changing your IP won't have any real bearing on that.

--
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John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
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"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:39:13 -0800, Dana wrote:
> > If you are more concerned about being annoymous on the internet, check
into
> > proxy connections to the internet.
>
> Yes. This is the most important concern.
>
> What is a "proxy connection".
> I once set a 'proxy server' on a browser but it was horribly slow.
> But that was way back in 1995 so maybe things are different now.

Still kind of slow.
>
> Is there a way to send this newsgroup message and have more privacy than I
> have now?

You would have to use a company that offers anonymous newsgroup posting.
And yes they exist

http://www.usenet.com/articles/anonymous_posting.htm
>
> For example, you already know (just from this message):
> - My ISP
> - My MAC (unique)
> - My IP address (temporary)
> - My Town (you get this from my IP address)
> - My Newsreader
> - My Operating System
> (what else can you tell from this one news post?)
>
> How can I post to the usenet without giving you all that information?

"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:02:57 GMT, Aluxe <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote
> in <9zdxf66b0znf.6yppb87o2zb.dlg@40tude.net>:
>
> >On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:39:13 -0800, Dana wrote:
> >> If you are more concerned about being annoymous on the internet, check
into
> >> proxy connections to the internet.
> >
> >Yes. This is the most important concern.
> >
> >What is a "proxy connection".
>
> Consult Wikipedia. That's what it's there for.

Just use google and do a search.
>
> >Is there a way to send this newsgroup message and have more privacy than
I
> >have now?
>
> Sure -- use a news service that allows anonymous postings.
>
> >For example, you already know (just from this message):
> >- My ISP
>
> Yes.
>
> >- My MAC (unique)
>
> No.
>
> >- My IP address (temporary)
>
> Yes.
>
> >- My Town (you get this from my IP address)
>
> Not necessarily.
>
> >- My Newsreader
>
> [yawn]
>
> >- My Operating System
>
> [yawn]
>
> >(what else can you tell from this one news post?)
>
> Who are you hiding from? ;)
>
> >How can I post to the usenet without giving you all that information?
>
> See above.
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>

"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10ttexze4eqnv$.1qiaxnv3efv7t.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> > What possible threats do you think changing IP address
> > is protecting you from ?
>
> Why do they have little walls between the phones on the wall at the hotel
> lobby?
>
> This is a little way to protect your conversation from prying ears.
>
> Why does my hatchback have a sliding cover over it. Another little way to
> protect privacy.
>
> I'm hoping that changing my IP address prevents a casual observer from
> taking all my usenet posts and figuring out who I am, where I work, where
i
> live, who is my spouse, what I do for a living, etc.

OK, so lets say a bad guy gets your ip address, and he runs a whois search
on that ip.
Guess what, the listing of that IP is your ISP, not you, so there is no way
he can identify you to that IP address. Now if the cops came up with a
warrant, they can force the ISP into giving out information that will
identify you, but ISP's will not give out information about your surfing
unless they are forced to by a court order, and some have even fought that.

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:27:05 -0800, "Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in
<12jaf2fn8qmmu48@corp.supernews.com>:

>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:avdaj25b5moslju5rseql75kpb28dravjb@4ax.com.. .
>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:02:57 GMT, Aluxe <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote
>> in <9zdxf66b0znf.6yppb87o2zb.dlg@40tude.net>:

>> >What is a "proxy connection".
>>
>> Consult Wikipedia. That's what it's there for.
>
>Just use google and do a search.

For some things, yes, but in cases like this Google search is much less
efficient than going to a reference like Wikipedia.

--
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John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
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Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:13:35 GMT, Aluxe <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> What possible threats do you think changing IP address
>> is protecting you from ?
>
>Why do they have little walls between the phones on the wall at the hotel
>lobby?


I suggest figuring out how the basic tcp/ip networking works before you
really do shoot yourself in both feet.
--
"He's raising an unholy army of singing dinosaurs!"

"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:27:05 -0800, "Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <12jaf2fn8qmmu48@corp.supernews.com>:
>
> >"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
> >news:avdaj25b5moslju5rseql75kpb28dravjb@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:02:57 GMT, Aluxe <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> in <9zdxf66b0znf.6yppb87o2zb.dlg@40tude.net>:
>
> >> >What is a "proxy connection".
> >>
> >> Consult Wikipedia. That's what it's there for.
> >
> >Just use google and do a search.
>
> For some things, yes, but in cases like this Google search is much less
> efficient than going to a reference like Wikipedia.

People need to be aware that Wikipedia is not a real reference, and that the
material there is not checked for accuracy.

>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:23:26 GMT, in alt.internet.wireless , Aluxe
<aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>But, little security measures add up too.

Sure but this isn't a security measure.

>Some of the little things, like changing your MAC address,

Eh? This is NOT a security feature at all. You've been reading the
wrong books.
#
>WPA keys, login, password,

Yes

> and IP address periodically are well known and often advocated.

Again, no. Whoever said this is clueless.
--
Mark McIntyre

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:13:35 GMT, in alt.internet.wireless , Aluxe
<aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> What possible threats do you think changing IP address
>> is protecting you from ?
>
(snip examples of real actual privacy measures).

>I'm hoping that changing my IP address prevents a casual observer from
>taking all my usenet posts and figuring out who I am, where I work, where i
>live, who is my spouse, what I do for a living, etc.

They can't figure any of that out from an IP, no matter how hard they
try. The best someone can do from your IP is work out which town
you're posting from. Unless you're the only guy in town with a net
connection, thats useless to them.

Stop chasing chimeras and please read some proper literature about
this stuff.

>Doesn't it make it harder for you to track all my usenet posts?

Nope.

>Can you easily track the last five hundred of my usenet posts otherwise?

I'm beginning to wonder if your'e paranoid. Who the heck would want to
do this? And bear in mind that anyone that obsessive isn't going to be
stopped by trivia like your IP.

--
Mark McIntyre

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:22:33 -0800, Dana wrote:
> You would have to use a company that offers anonymous newsgroup posting.
> http://www.usenet.com/articles/anonymous_posting.htm

Hi Dana,

Thanks again for providing useful information that works toward a solution
fo the technical problem, which, I didn't realize before, but is really all
about remaining as anonymous as possible, for free, when posting on the
Internet.

The main problem (and I know that's not your fault) is that the access
costs, essentially, $250 dollars a year for the same access that I have
today already paid for.

I think, if the choice is to figure out how to send a wake-up signal to my
linksys router or pay the $250 per year to usenet.com, I'll try to see if I
can figure out (somehow) how to send a wake-up signal to my router without
having to literally unplug it.

If there is a 'free' usenet news service out there ... then that would
solve the problem though.

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:20:54 GMT, John Navas wrote:
>>Doesn't it make it harder for you to track all my usenet posts?
>>Can you easily track the last five hundred of my usenet posts otherwise?
>
> Changing your IP won't have any real bearing on that.

Hi John,
Again, I thank you for your advice but this one I don't understand.

When I look at the header of my posts I can easily see my router's IP
address in the header ...

If I kept the same IP address for, say, a year, wouldn't ALL my posts in
that year have the same IP address on it?

If anyone wanted to gather up all my posts (no matter what name or
newsreader I used), wouldn't keeping the same IP address make that task
trivial?

Sort of like someone gathering up all my snail mail and reading it if they
felt like it without having to bother opening the letters.

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:30:53 -0800, Dana wrote:
> Now if the cops came up with a
> warrant, they can force the ISP into giving out information

Hi Dana,

Thanks for the warning but I wasn't at all worried about the law.
If they wanted to get to me, they would.
If they wanted to get you, they would.
Nothing you could do would stop them as your ISP knows everything.

It's the same with my car keys. Nothing I do is going to stop the law from
towing my car away even if I lock it up with chains around it.

But, I don't lock my car door to keep the cops away.
I lock my car door to keep some kid in the neighborhood from rifling
through my purse and makeup I keep in the glove compartment.

I'm just trying to gain a modicum of privacy on the internet by switching
my identity and any connecting factors.

Do you know if there is a way to send a wake-up signal to make the Linksys
router send the ppoe (or whatever it is) signal to dial back into an ISP
once I plug the dsl router back in?

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:42:17 +0100, Mark McIntyre wrote:
> They can't figure any of that out from an IP, no matter how hard they
> try. The best someone can do from your IP is work out which town
> you're posting from.

Hi Mark,
Are you sure about that?

It seems to me that even I could save usenet posts and then save the IP
address and from that, I could find EVERY post you ever posted (assuming
you kept the same IP address the whole time) just by grabbing the header
line that stores your nntp posting host (which in my case, is unique).

If I can do it that easily (and you've already said I am computer
illiterate), I shudder to think how easy it would be for a "bad guy" to do
it for me.

What is wrong with what I said above?

"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:20:54 GMT, John Navas wrote:
> >>Doesn't it make it harder for you to track all my usenet posts?
> >>Can you easily track the last five hundred of my usenet posts otherwise?
> >
> > Changing your IP won't have any real bearing on that.
>
> Hi John,
> Again, I thank you for your advice but this one I don't understand.
>
> When I look at the header of my posts I can easily see my router's IP
> address in the header ...

But if someone was to check on that IP address, they would find it belonged
to your ISP. It would be one of many addresses in a block that your ISP was
assigned.
Unless of course you went out and had your own IP address assigned, which we
know is not the case.
>
> If I kept the same IP address for, say, a year, wouldn't ALL my posts in
> that year have the same IP address on it?

It is your ISP's address. Unless you go out and get a static address from
your ISP, than yes that IP can be associated with you. But if you just use
your cable modem like most everyone else, you are only being assigned an IP
from your ISP, it is your ISP who will be identified with that address.

As a test go ahead and do a whois lookup. If you do not know what that is,
do a google on whois.

Once you get to a whois lookup site, type in the IP address your computer
was given by your ISP.
Do an ipconfig /all at the command prompt.
You will see that whois returns your ISP as being the owner of that IP
address.
Hence all your work of trying to change your IP is doing nothing for your
privacy.


>
> If anyone wanted to gather up all my posts (no matter what name or
> newsreader I used), wouldn't keeping the same IP address make that task
> trivial?

Just using your name in Google group search would show all your posts, would
not even need your address.

"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:30:53 -0800, Dana wrote:
> > Now if the cops came up with a
> > warrant, they can force the ISP into giving out information
>
> Hi Dana,
>
> Thanks for the warning but I wasn't at all worried about the law.
> If they wanted to get to me, they would.
> If they wanted to get you, they would.
> Nothing you could do would stop them as your ISP knows everything.
>
> It's the same with my car keys. Nothing I do is going to stop the law from
> towing my car away even if I lock it up with chains around it.
>
> But, I don't lock my car door to keep the cops away.
> I lock my car door to keep some kid in the neighborhood from rifling
> through my purse and makeup I keep in the glove compartment.
>
> I'm just trying to gain a modicum of privacy on the internet by switching
> my identity and any connecting factors.

And the only way to do that is by using a proxy server.
>
> Do you know if there is a way to send a wake-up signal to make the Linksys
> router send the ppoe (or whatever it is) signal to dial back into an ISP
> once I plug the dsl router back in?

This will not protect your privacy one iota

"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:42:17 +0100, Mark McIntyre wrote:
> > They can't figure any of that out from an IP, no matter how hard they
> > try. The best someone can do from your IP is work out which town
> > you're posting from.
>
> Hi Mark,
> Are you sure about that?

Yes.
As a test run a whois on the ip assigned to your computer right now.
You will find that it is assigned to your ISP and your name will be no where
to be found associated with that IP.
Now if you do a graphical trace route on that IP, it may get you down to
your town and that is about it.

>
> It seems to me that even I could save usenet posts and then save the IP
> address and from that, I could find EVERY post you ever posted

Google search can do that just by typing in the name you post under.

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:49:33 -0800, Dana wrote:
>> It seems to me that even I could save usenet posts and then save the IP
>> address and from that, I could find EVERY post you ever posted
>
> Google search can do that just by typing in the name you post under.

Not true. I go into my newsreader and change the name for each topic that I
ask (I ask about once a month or so to solve a particularly vexing
problem).

I never use the same name twice. I just randomly pick them.

Just like I pull the curtain shut when I dress in the dressing room, I
enjoy my privacy even when I try on clothes.

The usenet analogy is I change my pseudonym even when I ask a question that
can be seen by ten thousand people for ten years or more. I don't want one
of these questions embarrassing me in the future, for example, with my kids
(I post to more than just the technical groups).

I think you've agreed with me that the IP address is the only other factor
that can easily trace me with a simple search.

Now the technical question really is how to force the router to do a PPOE
dialup on command without having to unplug it and plug it back in. Is this
the right newsgroup to ask that technical question?

"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dpvkonxs8q77.3yud78hztcn6$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:49:33 -0800, Dana wrote:
> >> It seems to me that even I could save usenet posts and then save the IP
> >> address and from that, I could find EVERY post you ever posted
> >
> > Google search can do that just by typing in the name you post under.
>
> Not true. I go into my newsreader and change the name for each topic that
I
> ask (I ask about once a month or so to solve a particularly vexing
> problem).
>
> I never use the same name twice. I just randomly pick them.
>
> Just like I pull the curtain shut when I dress in the dressing room, I
> enjoy my privacy even when I try on clothes.
>
> The usenet analogy is I change my pseudonym even when I ask a question
that
> can be seen by ten thousand people for ten years or more. I don't want one
> of these questions embarrassing me in the future, for example, with my
kids
> (I post to more than just the technical groups).
>
> I think you've agreed with me that the IP address is the only other factor
> that can easily trace me with a simple search.

No.
There are other parts of the header that can be used to track you. As it is
IP addresses are the most common item that people change, followed closely
by their email address, and their posting name.
Google groups search function makes it easy to track a poster. And if people
really wanted they can run programs to search for your posts based on your
language style. It would take time, but it can be done.

>
> Now the technical question really is how to force the router to do a PPOE
> dialup on command without having to unplug it and plug it back in. Is this
> the right newsgroup to ask that technical question?

Doing that will not give you the privacy you think it would. It seems you
have other reasons why you may want to hide yourself, kind of like what
spammers, and mass mailers, and other unsavory people try to do.

>
>

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:30:26 -0800, Dana wrote:
>> I think you've agreed with me that the IP address is the only other factor
>> that can easily trace me with a simple search.
>
> No.
> There are other parts of the header that can be used to track you. As it is
> IP addresses are the most common item that people change, followed closely
> by their email address, and their posting name.

Hi Dana,
Now we're getting somewhere useful!

Your answer is the kind of meat that gets us somewhere (as opposed to
instantly and publically stating anyone who closes their front door, lowers
their window shades at night, and at any time flushes the toilet is a
despicable drug runner trying to hide their nasty drug habit).

WHAT else in my header gives away my privacy other than:
IP address (changed daily), email address (spoofed), posting name (spoofed)

Here are my header lines (which of these give away details about me)?
Path:
Newsgroups:
User-Agent:
MIME-Version:
Content-Type:
Content-Transfer-Encoding:
References:
Message-ID:
Lines: 28
NNTP-Posting-Host:
X-Complaints-To:
X-Trace:
NNTP-Posting-Date:
Organization:
X-UserInfo1:
Xref:

I presume the most important header line is the "X-UserInfo1" line.
It seems to uniquely identify me.

Are you saying that, since the "X-UserInfo1" line uniquely identifies me,
all other attempts at securing a modicum of privacy are for naught?

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:24:36 GMT, Aluxe <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote
in <1bmxxlp6c5bep.17uhbudn22tqq.dlg@40tude.net>:

>On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:42:17 +0100, Mark McIntyre wrote:
>> They can't figure any of that out from an IP, no matter how hard they
>> try. The best someone can do from your IP is work out which town
>> you're posting from.
>
>Hi Mark,
>Are you sure about that?

I am.

>It seems to me that even I could save usenet posts and then save the IP
>address and from that, I could find EVERY post you ever posted (assuming
>you kept the same IP address the whole time) just by grabbing the header
>line that stores your nntp posting host (which in my case, is unique).
>
>If I can do it that easily (and you've already said I am computer
>illiterate), I shudder to think how easy it would be for a "bad guy" to do
>it for me.
>
>What is wrong with what I said above?

You don't understand how the Internet works.

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"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12jalka11deq5e@corp.supernews.com
> People need to be aware that Wikipedia is not a real reference, and
> that the material there is not checked for accuracy.

Neither are any other sources, especially within Academia. lol

Like nothing is faster than the speed of light (Albert Einstein believed
this BS too), but gravity definitely is. Thus we live in a world of BS!
:(

--
Bill

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:24:36 GMT, in alt.internet.wireless , Aluxe
<aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:42:17 +0100, Mark McIntyre wrote:
>> They can't figure any of that out from an IP, no matter how hard they
>> try. The best someone can do from your IP is work out which town
>> you're posting from.
>
>Hi Mark,
>Are you sure about that?
>
>It seems to me that even I could save usenet posts and then save the IP
>address and from that, I could find EVERY post you ever posted (assuming
>you kept the same IP address the whole time) just by grabbing the header
>line that stores your nntp posting host (which in my case, is unique).

Theoretically, if you had a database of every usenet post ever posted
by everyone in the world, you could find all the messages posted from
my current IP and look at them. So what? You could also go to google
groups and search for me by name, you'd find posts stretching back to
1995. None of this lets you track me down.

>What is wrong with what I said above?

Nothing, except you missed out the part where this is any sort of
privacy or security risk.
--
Mark McIntyre

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:09:06 GMT, in alt.internet.wireless , Aluxe
<aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:49:33 -0800, Dana wrote:
>>> It seems to me that even I could save usenet posts and then save the IP
>>> address and from that, I could find EVERY post you ever posted
>>
>> Google search can do that just by typing in the name you post under.
>
>Not true. I go into my newsreader and change the name for each topic that I
>ask (I ask about once a month or so to solve a particularly vexing
>problem).

Sure, its harder if you change your handle. The point is you can't do
this with an IP address. You can't search usenet for IPs. You can
search whois for them but the info isn't specific to you, only to your
ISP.

You could of course set up your own newsserver with infinite retention
(and a couple of petabytes of diskspace) and capture every message.
You could then search for the IP, and determine all the handles you'd
used. Again, useless information.

>Just like I pull the curtain shut when I dress in the dressing room, I
>enjoy my privacy even when I try on clothes.

I give up. You are obviously paranoid, and nothing we say will
persuade you that you're chasing chimeras. Please do yourself a
favour.

>I think you've agreed with me that the IP address is the only other factor
>that can easily trace me with a simple search.

No they haven't. They've DISAGREED TOTALLY with that hypothesis.

Please actually try this. Try tracing yourself from your IP. The very
best you can get is the town you live in and your ISP. In your case
somewhere with an acronym of pltn13.
--
Mark McIntyre