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Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:05:32 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
>> What is the easiest way to change my DSL IP address periodically?
>
> You don't have anything running on your set-up that would cause someone to
> lock in on the IP and try to come past the router. Your set-up is below
> small potatoes, the potatoes don't exist and no one cares. ;-)
Hi Duane,
Thank you for taking the time to advise me.
All I'm asking is for the easiest software way to change my IP address
without having to give up the lease by shutting down all the equipment.
It's the unsuspecting little old lady who gets hit the hardest.
I used to not lock my car until I got my car seat stolen! Yes. A baby seat
stolen in a mall parking lot! A little thing like locking my doors or
rolling up my windows could have prevented that (and made the car-seat
thief go elsewhere for an easier picking).
I lick and seal my envelopes before mailing them. Do I think that will stop
a determined thief? Nope. But it will stop a lot of them. Why do you think
credit card companies send you the card in a plain envelope and not one
emblazened with the credit company logo on the outside? Little things
enhance security (sometimes more than the big obvious things). Let the
thief go elsewhere.
Same with periodically changing my MAC address, my SSID, my encryption
keys, my login, my password, and my IP address.
There must be an easier way to give up a lease without having to shut down
the router and dsl modem ... isn't there?
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1dkuinb40fc1h.a2axsvtjnkc2$.dlg@40tude.net...
> Same with periodically changing my MAC address, my SSID, my encryption
> keys, my login, my password, and my IP address.
While some of the above are good security practices, like password changing
and even SSID. People who change MAC addresses are not doing so for security
reasons, but are changing their MAC addresses to avoid being found (while
yes you can call that security), the point is that it has been found that
mass mailers, spammers, phishers and such are the ones who are hiding by
changing their MAC addresses. But like everything else, they cannot hide
forever and eventually they do get caught.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:04:09 -0800, "Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in
<12jadnemj9f1k96@corp.supernews.com>:
>"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1dkuinb40fc1h.a2axsvtjnkc2$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
>> Same with periodically changing my MAC address, my SSID, my encryption
>> keys, my login, my password, and my IP address.
>
>While some of the above are good security practices, like password changing
Yes.
>and even SSID.
No. Only the wireless security authentication matters.
>People who change MAC addresses are not doing so for security
>reasons, but are changing their MAC addresses to avoid being found (while
>yes you can call that security), the point is that it has been found that
>mass mailers, spammers, phishers and such are the ones who are hiding by
>changing their MAC addresses. But like everything else, they cannot hide
>forever and eventually they do get caught.
Changing the MAC address is totally pointless.
--
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Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:04:09 -0800, Dana wrote:
> "Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1dkuinb40fc1h.a2axsvtjnkc2$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> Same with periodically changing my MAC address, my SSID, my encryption
>> keys, my login, my password, and my IP address.
>
> While some of the above are good security practices, like password changing
> and even SSID. People who change MAC addresses are not doing so for security
> reasons, but are changing their MAC addresses to avoid being found (while
> yes you can call that security), the point is that it has been found that
> mass mailers, spammers, phishers and such are the ones who are hiding by
> changing their MAC addresses. But like everything else, they cannot hide
> forever and eventually they do get caught.
LOL. Hi Dana,
I'm not a bad guy ... If I were, I wouldn't be posting this using my own
ISP would I?
Here's the test:
a) Can you casually track my last ten posts?
Of course you can. Just look for my login on google.
b) OK. Then, can you easily track my last twenty posts?
Of course you can. Just look for my IP address.
c) The real question is can you track my last fifty posts?
I'm hoping changing my IP address makes this step just a wee bit harder.
Otherwise, why close your window shutters when you're going to bed?
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:16:26 GMT, Aluxe <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote
in <q3yfghv589x7$.aswlk1e4dgup$.dlg@40tude.net>:
>On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:04:09 -0800, Dana wrote:
>
>> "Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1dkuinb40fc1h.a2axsvtjnkc2$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> Same with periodically changing my MAC address, my SSID, my encryption
>>> keys, my login, my password, and my IP address.
>>
>> While some of the above are good security practices, like password changing
>> and even SSID. People who change MAC addresses are not doing so for security
>> reasons, but are changing their MAC addresses to avoid being found (while
>> yes you can call that security), the point is that it has been found that
>> mass mailers, spammers, phishers and such are the ones who are hiding by
>> changing their MAC addresses. But like everything else, they cannot hide
>> forever and eventually they do get caught.
>
>LOL. Hi Dana,
>I'm not a bad guy ... If I were, I wouldn't be posting this using my own
>ISP would I?
>
>Here's the test:
>a) Can you casually track my last ten posts?
>Of course you can. Just look for my login on google.
>
>b) OK. Then, can you easily track my last twenty posts?
>Of course you can. Just look for my IP address.
>
>c) The real question is can you track my last fifty posts?
>I'm hoping changing my IP address makes this step just a wee bit harder.
It doesn't.
>Otherwise, why close your window shutters when you're going to bed?
To make the room dark.
--
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Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1dkuinb40fc1h.a2axsvtjnkc2$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:05:32 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
>>> What is the easiest way to change my DSL IP address periodically?
>>
>> You don't have anything running on your set-up that would cause someone
>> to
>> lock in on the IP and try to come past the router. Your set-up is below
>> small potatoes, the potatoes don't exist and no one cares. ;-)
>
> Hi Duane,
> Thank you for taking the time to advise me.
>
> All I'm asking is for the easiest software way to change my IP address
> without having to give up the lease by shutting down all the equipment.
It's worthless.
>
> It's the unsuspecting little old lady who gets hit the hardest.
> I used to not lock my car until I got my car seat stolen! Yes. A baby seat
> stolen in a mall parking lot! A little thing like locking my doors or
> rolling up my windows could have prevented that (and made the car-seat
> thief go elsewhere for an easier picking).
>
You really think so do you.
> I lick and seal my envelopes before mailing them. Do I think that will
> stop
> a determined thief? Nope. But it will stop a lot of them. Why do you think
> credit card companies send you the card in a plain envelope and not one
> emblazened with the credit company logo on the outside? Little things
> enhance security (sometimes more than the big obvious things). Let the
> thief go elsewhere.
>
Not if the machine has been compromised by malware and you don't know it, as
you give up this information.
> Same with periodically changing my MAC address, my SSID, my encryption
> keys, my login, my password, and my IP address.
You can change them but if someone really wanted to come after your set-up
on the wireless side, none of it means anything, particularly about the IP
from the ISP being changed. They have already hacked the wireless on the
router and they would know what the IP is from the ISP. And more and more
people are finding out about the tools used to hack a wireless system. It
don't take a genius to figure it out as more and more users are using
wireless.
>
> There must be an easier way to give up a lease without having to shut down
> the router and dsl modem ... isn't there?
You're setting there with a wireless set-up and you're expecting some kind
of security, then what can I say about it.
How you're going to get attacked is someone with happy fingers clinking on
unknown emails or dubious URL(s) that install things on the machine that
compromise the machine and they have control of the machine. None of this
other stuff you're talking about means anything, nothing, if they have
control of the machine.
They can also do this on the wireless side of the router and attack and
install things on a wired or wireless machine as they are most likely wide
open to attack.
At the very least, if the router has a syslog that you can use Wallwatcher
(free) so you can see what traffic is leaving the router to remote IP(s) for
possible dubious connections, then you should implement it. You shouldn't
sit there and fly blind if you can help it, as you don't even know what
traffic is leaving the network/router.
You should try to implement safehex as much as possible.
This thing with you trying to change the IP from the ISP is worthless if the
machine has been compromised. In general, you changing the IP from the ISP
on a routine basis is worthless.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:04:09 -0800, "Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <12jadnemj9f1k96@corp.supernews.com>:
>
> >"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:1dkuinb40fc1h.a2axsvtjnkc2$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> >> Same with periodically changing my MAC address, my SSID, my encryption
> >> keys, my login, my password, and my IP address.
> >
> >While some of the above are good security practices, like password
changing
>
> Yes.
>
> >and even SSID.
>
> No
for enhanced security measures changing your SSID will not hurt.
> >People who change MAC addresses are not doing so for security
> >reasons, but are changing their MAC addresses to avoid being found (while
> >yes you can call that security), the point is that it has been found that
> >mass mailers, spammers, phishers and such are the ones who are hiding by
> >changing their MAC addresses. But like everything else, they cannot hide
> >forever and eventually they do get caught.
>
> Changing the MAC address is totally pointless.
While I see where you are coming from, I would not say it is pointless.
There are valid and invalid reasons for wanting to change a MAC address.
>
> --
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Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:q3yfghv589x7$.aswlk1e4dgup$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:04:09 -0800, Dana wrote:
>
> > "Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1dkuinb40fc1h.a2axsvtjnkc2$.dlg@40tude.net...
> >> Same with periodically changing my MAC address, my SSID, my encryption
> >> keys, my login, my password, and my IP address.
> >
> > While some of the above are good security practices, like password
changing
> > and even SSID. People who change MAC addresses are not doing so for
security
> > reasons, but are changing their MAC addresses to avoid being found
(while
> > yes you can call that security), the point is that it has been found
that
> > mass mailers, spammers, phishers and such are the ones who are hiding by
> > changing their MAC addresses. But like everything else, they cannot hide
> > forever and eventually they do get caught.
>
> LOL. Hi Dana,
> I'm not a bad guy ... If I were, I wouldn't be posting this using my own
> ISP would I?
>
> Here's the test:
> a) Can you casually track my last ten posts?
> Of course you can. Just look for my login on google.
>
> b) OK. Then, can you easily track my last twenty posts?
> Of course you can. Just look for my IP address.
Just using your IP address to track messages would also give me the other
people who were assigned that IP address by your ISP.
Remember the ISP is who is identified by that IP address when you run a
whois.
>
> c) The real question is can you track my last fifty posts?
Yep, just type in your name you use to post, or the email address you are
using.
> I'm hoping changing my IP address makes this step just a wee bit harder.
It will not.
If you want to post anonymously, you have to use a remailer type of service.
They strip your headers, and replace them with theirs.
>
> Otherwise, why close your window shutters when you're going to bed?
I leave mine open. But I do not have any visible neighbors
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:33:59 -0800, "Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in
<12jaffdfv589705@corp.supernews.com>:
>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:l5eaj2d7asc89km99qufnmt70k89ehsrqv@4ax.com.. .
>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:04:09 -0800, "Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> <12jadnemj9f1k96@corp.supernews.com>:
>> >and even SSID.
>>
>> No
>
>for enhanced security measures changing your SSID will not hurt.
It won't actually help at all. Anyone with even minor clue can get the
MAC address or otherwise identify it.
>> >People who change MAC addresses are not doing so for security
>> >reasons, but are changing their MAC addresses to avoid being found (while
>> >yes you can call that security), the point is that it has been found that
>> >mass mailers, spammers, phishers and such are the ones who are hiding by
>> >changing their MAC addresses. But like everything else, they cannot hide
>> >forever and eventually they do get caught.
>>
>> Changing the MAC address is totally pointless.
>
>While I see where you are coming from, I would not say it is pointless.
>There are valid and invalid reasons for wanting to change a MAC address.
Sure. But security isn't one of them.
--
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Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:33:59 -0800, "Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in
> <12jaffdfv589705@corp.supernews.com>:
>
> >"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
> >news:l5eaj2d7asc89km99qufnmt70k89ehsrqv@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:04:09 -0800, "Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >> <12jadnemj9f1k96@corp.supernews.com>:
>
> >> >and even SSID.
> >>
> >> No
> >
> >for enhanced security measures changing your SSID will not hurt.
>
> >> >People who change MAC addresses are not doing so for security
> >> >reasons, but are changing their MAC addresses to avoid being found
(while
> >> >yes you can call that security), the point is that it has been found
that
> >> >mass mailers, spammers, phishers and such are the ones who are hiding
by
> >> >changing their MAC addresses. But like everything else, they cannot
hide
> >> >forever and eventually they do get caught.
> >>
> >> Changing the MAC address is totally pointless.
> >
> >While I see where you are coming from, I would not say it is pointless.
> >There are valid and invalid reasons for wanting to change a MAC address.
>
> Sure. But security isn't one of them.
Never said it was.
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
> John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
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Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:33:59 -0800, Dana wrote:
>> Changing the MAC address is totally pointless.
>
> While I see where you are coming from, I would not say it is pointless.
> There are valid and invalid reasons for wanting to change a MAC address.
Hi Dana,
I'll give you a real life, albeit embarrassing, reason for changing a MAC
address.
When I was in high school, a student made a lot of fun of my body. Said I
was a "twiggy" (those old enough out there will know what that means).
Well, recently I was back home, and I saw her, and she looked positively
huge. She must have doubled in weight. I wanted to get her back. So, I
logged into NetZero from a blocked phone line, and I sent her a message
calling her all sorts of names to get her back. I even said I was a
"friend" of hers way back when but I thought she looked like a pig now.
Point is, I figured the only way they could track that email I sent her was
through my MAC address since the IP address would have been registered to
NetZero and the phone number I called from would have been blocked.
Isn't that a case where the MAC address change afforded me some privacy?
Or did I give myself away even then?
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:38:20 -0800, Dana wrote:
>> b) OK. Then, can you easily track my last twenty posts?
>> Of course you can. Just look for my IP address.
> Just using your IP address to track messages would also give me the other
> people who were assigned that IP address by your ISP.
Hi Dana,
I think you are making my point for me (I think).
If I had the lease on an IP address for, say, the past three months, then
you could find all my posts (no matter which pseudonym I chose) for that
three-month period, simply by searching for one line in the nntp header.
If I had the same IP address for, say, six months, then I just doubled that
vulnerable tracking period.
Likewise, if I held the lease only for a day, then you'd only be able to
track my posts for one day.
Arent' you agreeing with me then on the need to change the IP address
periodically for those of us whose ISP lists the IP address of our routers?
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:50:14 +0100, Mark McIntyre wrote:
> The question is, why do you care? There are two possible answers:
> 1) you're clinically paranoid
> 2) you have a guilty concience
Hi Mark McIntyre,
Wanting privacy doesn't mean you're clinically paranoid. Are you saying
everyone who closes the bathroom door is clinically paranoid? Or that they
have a guilty conscience?
Are you implying that everyone who pulls the voting booth curtain shut has
a guilty conscience (maybe they are a tax evader?).
And, everyone who licks an envelope shut has a guilty conscience?
I like you (and I appreciate your help) ... but I think you are stretching
the situation to say that everyone who desires a modicum of privacy has a
guilty conscience or is paranoid except you.
All I want to do is figure out a way to tell the router to wake up and dial
into the DSL PPOE (or whatever it is) when I give it a command from the
computer.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6xpsis0n7z26$.1bpm30hw360sr$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:33:59 -0800, Dana wrote:
> >> Changing the MAC address is totally pointless.
> >
> > While I see where you are coming from, I would not say it is pointless.
> > There are valid and invalid reasons for wanting to change a MAC address.
>
> Hi Dana,
> I'll give you a real life, albeit embarrassing, reason for changing a MAC
> address.
>
> When I was in high school, a student made a lot of fun of my body. Said I
> was a "twiggy" (those old enough out there will know what that means).
>
> Well, recently I was back home, and I saw her, and she looked positively
> huge. She must have doubled in weight. I wanted to get her back. So, I
> logged into NetZero from a blocked phone line, and I sent her a message
> calling her all sorts of names to get her back. I even said I was a
> "friend" of hers way back when but I thought she looked like a pig now.
>
> Point is, I figured the only way they could track that email I sent her
was
> through my MAC address since the IP address would have been registered to
> NetZero and the phone number I called from would have been blocked.
>
> Isn't that a case where the MAC address change afforded me some privacy?
> Or did I give myself away even then?
The person would have never seen your MAC address, unless they got a court
order for your ISP to show it to them.
The only mac address a station will see, is the next station upstream.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:38:20 -0800, Dana wrote:
> >> b) OK. Then, can you easily track my last twenty posts?
> >> Of course you can. Just look for my IP address.
> > Just using your IP address to track messages would also give me the
other
> > people who were assigned that IP address by your ISP.
>
> Hi Dana,
> I think you are making my point for me (I think).
>
> If I had the lease on an IP address for, say, the past three months, then
> you could find all my posts (no matter which pseudonym I chose) for that
> three-month period, simply by searching for one line in the nntp header.
So you are an abuser of the system, or else you would not have to change
your pseudonym all the time. People who do that is the newsgroups are either
spammers, or people just trying to disrupt the newsroup, or people who keep
getting blocked by their other ISPs from posting to newsgroups.
> Arent' you agreeing with me then on the need to change the IP address
> periodically for those of us whose ISP lists the IP address of our
routers?
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:24:04 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
>> All I'm asking is for the easiest software way to change my IP address
>> without having to give up the lease by shutting down all the equipment.
>
> It's worthless.
Hi Duane,
I thank you for the suggested URLs which I read with interest.
Please don't feel I am picking on you when I report the following
information.
You happen to list your NNTP posting host, as do I, so you are just easily
tracked, that's all.
YOUR NNTP POSTING HOST: 4.252.215.137
YOUR APPROXIMATE LOCATION: Chicago
YOUR ASSUMED ISP: EarthLink Inc. in Colorado
YOUR ASSUMED NEWSREADER: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869
YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM: Microsoft Windows XP (based on the above newsreader)
You're a programmer by trade having started in 1971 as an IT employee.
You write insurance applications, among other tasks since 1980.
You've contracted with Maine, and Ohio, Minnesota, and Illinois on taxation
software in the past, mostly on Microsoft platforms as you're not a friend
of Linux.
Your posts: many hundreds each of which supplies a bit of your personality
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:51:59 -0800, Dana wrote:
>> Isn't that a case where the MAC address change afforded me some privacy?
>> Or did I give myself away even then?
>
> The person would have never seen your MAC address, unless they got a court
> order for your ISP to show it to them.
> The only mac address a station will see, is the next station upstream.
Hi Dana,
Sorry to keep hammering on this but the question I asked was "didn't
changing the MAC address add a modicum of privacy to my email"?
For example, if she had a packet sniffer or if she got a court order to
track the email, wouldn't the MAC address have been a key component of the
traceback?
And, if it was, wouldn't the bogus MAC address I provided have added an
extra level of privacy to that traceback?
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:55:01 -0800, Dana wrote:
> So you are an abuser of the system, or else you would not have to change
> your pseudonym all the time.
Hi Dana,
I do appreciate your help ... and this conversation will help many others
.... but I must wonder why you instantly assume anyone who wants privacy is
an "abuser of the system".
Am I an abuser of the system because I close the bathroom door?
Am I an abuser of the system because I lick my envelopes shut?
Am I an abuser of the system because I participate in anonymous surveys?
Of course not.
Please don't assume that a sincere desire to remain private is an automatic
conviction for system abuse.
I have posted to many alt.personals groups, for example, and I don't want
my kids to see them. Are you saying that I'm an abuser of the system
because I don't post using my real name? Or that I don't use the same name
for the personal posts vs the technical posts vs the work related posts?
Which of my actions above caused me to be condemned as an abuser of the
system?
All I want to know is how to wake up the PPPOE part of the linksys router
so that it dials back into the DSL ISP with my login and password so that I
don't have to unplug the router to force it to do so.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:51:59 -0800, Dana wrote:
> >> Isn't that a case where the MAC address change afforded me some
privacy?
> >> Or did I give myself away even then?
> >
> > The person would have never seen your MAC address, unless they got a
court
> > order for your ISP to show it to them.
> > The only mac address a station will see, is the next station upstream.
>
> Hi Dana,
> Sorry to keep hammering on this but the question I asked was "didn't
> changing the MAC address add a modicum of privacy to my email"?
No.
>
> For example, if she had a packet sniffer or if she got a court order to
> track the email, wouldn't the MAC address have been a key component of the
> traceback?
Your ISP will always have whatever MAC address you use, hence if they were
given a court order, they would have to give it up.
>
> And, if it was, wouldn't the bogus MAC address I provided have added an
> extra level of privacy to that traceback?
No, because your isp would know it is associated with your account, hence
they would have to give that info out if there was a court order.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:55:01 -0800, Dana wrote:
> > So you are an abuser of the system, or else you would not have to change
> > your pseudonym all the time.
>
> Hi Dana,
> I do appreciate your help ... and this conversation will help many others
> ... but I must wonder why you instantly assume anyone who wants privacy is
> an "abuser of the system".
But you do not want privacy, you are trying to circumvent the system.
For all we know is maybe you harass people on the newsgroups, hence filters
were put in place against you, and you are trying to get around them.
> Please don't assume that a sincere desire to remain private is an
automatic
> conviction for system abuse.
It seems you may have different motives for masking your location
>
> I have posted to many alt.personals groups, for example, and I don't want
> my kids to see them. Are you saying that I'm an abuser of the system
> because I don't post using my real name?
Nope. There are many different screen names running around the internet
> Or that I don't use the same name
> for the personal posts vs the technical posts vs the work related posts?
Nope, again that is common practice
>
> Which of my actions above caused me to be condemned as an abuser of the
> system?
Your insistence on trying to hide you Mac address. Since you use DHCP your
IP address is not important. Your Mac address is what identifies your
computer.
While people from the outside, except your ISP cannot see your MAC, the fact
that you want to change it, indicates you may be up to something that forces
you to want to hide. Just like what mass mailers, spammers, and phishers do.
>
> All I want to know is how to wake up the PPPOE part of the linksys router
> so that it dials back into the DSL ISP with my login and password so that
I
> don't have to unplug the router to force it to do so.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:34:50 -0800, Dana wrote:
>> And, if it was, wouldn't the bogus MAC address I provided have added an
>> extra level of privacy to that traceback?
>
> No, because your isp would know it is associated with your account, hence
> they would have to give that info out if there was a court order.
Hi Dana,
I do appreciate your taking the time to explain this to me.
Let me see if I have it correct this time:
CASE 1 (home ISP):
In the case of a home ISP, where I have to log in with a user name and a
password from a dedicated account, changing the MAC address provides
absolutely no additional privacy since the ISP knows the MAC address used,
even if it is 00-00-00-00-00-00.
CASE 2 (NetZero dialup):
Even in the case of NetZero dialup, there may not be an additional level of
privacy gained by changing the MAC address because you have to first
establish an account with NetZero which requires a previous account which
will have your original MAC address associated with it - which can always
be traced back to you by your ISP.
CASE 3 (hotel free hotspot):
However, in the case of a hotel freebie hotspot, changing the MAC address
to 00-00-00-00-00-00 DOES PROVIDE AN EXTRA LEVEL OF PRIVACY because in this
case, the MAC address is the only factor they have in tracing the
connection back to you.
Did I summarize the implications of changing the MAC address correctly?
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:15:38 GMT, Aluxe <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote
in <6reykj1cl80a$.svm6xifnvsrq.dlg@40tude.net>:
>On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:51:59 -0800, Dana wrote:
>>> Isn't that a case where the MAC address change afforded me some privacy?
>>> Or did I give myself away even then?
>>
>> The person would have never seen your MAC address, unless they got a court
>> order for your ISP to show it to them.
>> The only mac address a station will see, is the next station upstream.
>
>Hi Dana,
>Sorry to keep hammering on this but the question I asked was "didn't
>changing the MAC address add a modicum of privacy to my email"?
Nope. Nada. Zilch.
>For example, if she had a packet sniffer or if she got a court order to
>track the email, wouldn't the MAC address have been a key component of the
>traceback?
>
>And, if it was, wouldn't the bogus MAC address I provided have added an
>extra level of privacy to that traceback?
>
>Yes or no is what I'd expect the answer to be.
Nope. Nada. Zilch.
--
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Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:34:50 -0800, Dana wrote:
> >> And, if it was, wouldn't the bogus MAC address I provided have added an
> >> extra level of privacy to that traceback?
> >
> > No, because your isp would know it is associated with your account,
hence
> > they would have to give that info out if there was a court order.
>
> Hi Dana,
> I do appreciate your taking the time to explain this to me.
> Let me see if I have it correct this time:
>
> CASE 1 (home ISP):
> In the case of a home ISP, where I have to log in with a user name and a
> password from a dedicated account, changing the MAC address provides
> absolutely no additional privacy since the ISP knows the MAC address used,
> even if it is 00-00-00-00-00-00.
Yes, that is how the protocol works. The next upstream device (your ISP has
to know what mac address to send the replies to.
>
> CASE 2 (NetZero dialup):
> Even in the case of NetZero dialup, there may not be an additional level
of
> privacy gained by changing the MAC address because you have to first
> establish an account with NetZero which requires a previous account which
> will have your original MAC address associated with it - which can always
> be traced back to you by your ISP.
They may have your original MAC, but they will now use whatever MAC address
you are using now, as that identifies the machine you are using.
So if you log on using your friends lap top, netzero will associate you to
that lap top once you sign in.
>
> CASE 3 (hotel free hotspot):
> However, in the case of a hotel freebie hotspot, changing the MAC address
> to 00-00-00-00-00-00 DOES PROVIDE AN EXTRA LEVEL OF PRIVACY because in
this
> case, the MAC address is the only factor they have in tracing the
> connection back to you.
I am thinking this is a yes. When you change your MAC, that is a software
mac, yet your NIC has a burned in address. I am not sure if your first
connection to the hotspot will use the burned in address, or the software
changed MAC.
I will have to look into this one. For now I will say yes it works like you
are saying.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:24:04 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
>>> All I'm asking is for the easiest software way to change my IP address
>>> without having to give up the lease by shutting down all the equipment.
>>
>> It's worthless.
>
> Hi Duane,
> I thank you for the suggested URLs which I read with interest.
> Please don't feel I am picking on you when I report the following
> information.
> You happen to list your NNTP posting host, as do I, so you are just easily
> tracked, that's all.
>
> YOUR NNTP POSTING HOST: 4.252.215.137
It doesn't mean anything in the long run as it changes each time I dial-up
to the ISP and the IP changes. And even if I was not using a dial-up
connection, it doesn't mean *jack*.
> YOUR APPROXIMATE LOCATION: Chicago
> YOUR ASSUMED ISP: EarthLink Inc. in Colorado
So? It doesn't mean anything to me and I am not so paranoid to think that it
means anything to anyone else. It would mean something if I was doing some
kind of Internet crime, where I would want to hide any traces of my
activities.
> YOUR ASSUMED NEWSREADER: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869
So? I use a couple of NG readers. Again what is your point here?
> YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM: Microsoft Windows XP (based on the above
> newsreader)
So? I have a couple of O/S(s) I use. What is your point here?
The only thing that matters in all of this is if my real e-mail address is
posted.
> You're a programmer by trade having started in 1971 as an IT employee.
> You write insurance applications, among other tasks since 1980.
So? Who cares about this? I don't even care about it.
> You've contracted with Maine, and Ohio, Minnesota, and Illinois on
> taxation
> software in the past, mostly on Microsoft platforms as you're not a friend
> of Linux.
So? Who cares about this?
I have Linux running on my network, when it's up and running.
I am on the road now. So what is your point here with any of it?
> Your posts: many hundreds each of which supplies a bit of your personality
Well, I am being impersonated on the Internet by a troll, and I am not
making hundreds of posts.
This information you have posted doesn't mean *jack* to me and anyone can
read it if they wanted to do that. It only means something to you and your
paranoia.
I don't know what the purpose of you making all these posts to various
people, along with this ridiculous post, but as far as I am concerned, you
need to stop posting as it's making you look kind of pathetic with all of
this privacy BS. ;-)
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:15:50 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:
> I'm not even sure how a [PC] MAC address is relevant.
> My ISP only sees the MAC address of my router.
Hmmm... I am learning of the subtlties of privacy.
CASE 1 (ISP from a home network):
Is it true that the ISP never sees the spoofed PC MAC address; the ISP only
sees the ROUTER MAC address?
CASE 2 (modem dialup to NetZero from a blocked phone):
NetZero only sees your spoofed MAC address assuming you obtained the
NetZero software separately (e.g., from a library computer). However, the
initial establishment of an account may provide identifying information
since it requires an email address and a valid ISP just to download the
NetZero software. Even if you saved the NetZero software on a flash card,
you still would have needed to establish an initial connection to NetZero
to obtain the software even if that were years ago - which is the weak
link (as far as we can tell).
CASE 3 (free hotspot):
It seems that changing the MAC address prior to connection is additive to
privacy. I think there is a "change bit" which indicates the MAC address
were changed but I am unsure of that.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Warren Oates" <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:45360c9f$0$5543$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> In article <12jbf5ifjqmhr9e@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Your ISP will always have whatever MAC address you use, hence if they
were
> > given a court order, they would have to give it up.
>
> I'm not even sure how a MAC address is relevant. My ISP only sees the
> MAC address of my router. So what? And my router will let me change
> that, if I want.
>
> This is a nutbar.
More akin to how they busted foley.
Just by using your internet account. For a lot of us, that is our always on
connection to the internet.
You logged on to the internet from somewhere.
> --
> W. Oates
> Teal'c: He is concealing something.
> O'Neil: Like what?
> Teal'c: I am unsure, he is concealing it.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Duane Arnold" <Yeah-Don't-bother-@that's-right.BET> wrote in message
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>
> "Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c6l1h5gzj5kf$.1z5l96isp7hd.dlg@40tude.net...
> > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:24:04 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
> >>> All I'm asking is for the easiest software way to change my IP address
> >>> without having to give up the lease by shutting down all the
equipment.
> >>
> >> It's worthless.
> >
> > Hi Duane,
> > I thank you for the suggested URLs which I read with interest.
> > Please don't feel I am picking on you when I report the following
> > information.
> > You happen to list your NNTP posting host, as do I, so you are just
easily
> > tracked, that's all.
> >
> > YOUR NNTP POSTING HOST: 4.252.215.137
>
> It doesn't mean anything in the long run as it changes each time I dial-up
> to the ISP and the IP changes. And even if I was not using a dial-up
> connection, it doesn't mean *jack*.
I may be wrong here, but I believe the NNTP posting host will be a news
server from the ISP. So depending on how many news servers they have for
where you connect, this address may not change that often if you post from
the same location.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
"Dana" <raff242@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Duane Arnold" <Yeah-Don't-bother-@that's-right.BET> wrote in message
> news:3jpZg.15496$UG4.102@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>>
>> "Aluxe" <aluxelocochon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:c6l1h5gzj5kf$.1z5l96isp7hd.dlg@40tude.net...
>> > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:24:04 GMT, Duane Arnold wrote:
>> >>> All I'm asking is for the easiest software way to change my IP
>> >>> address
>> >>> without having to give up the lease by shutting down all the
> equipment.
>> >>
>> >> It's worthless.
>> >
>> > Hi Duane,
>> > I thank you for the suggested URLs which I read with interest.
>> > Please don't feel I am picking on you when I report the following
>> > information.
>> > You happen to list your NNTP posting host, as do I, so you are just
> easily
>> > tracked, that's all.
>> >
>> > YOUR NNTP POSTING HOST: 4.252.215.137
>>
>> It doesn't mean anything in the long run as it changes each time I
>> dial-up
>> to the ISP and the IP changes. And even if I was not using a dial-up
>> connection, it doesn't mean *jack*.
>
> I may be wrong here, but I believe the NNTP posting host will be a news
> server from the ISP. So depending on how many news servers they have for
> where you connect, this address may not change that often if you post from
> the same location.
>
Who cares about it? Am I missing something here? Who cares about some IP the
ISP's NG server is using?
What does any of this have to do with the security of my machine or anyone's
machine? Or even, what does any of it mean in protecting some privacy that
the ISP is using for its NG server is not changing?
That IP should not be changing in the first place and if it did change, then
the NG server is using a DHCP IP, which most likely it's not and is using a
static IP that doesn't change. But again, what does it have to do with
anything in the context of the post about *privacy and security*?
The only IP that would mean anything is the IP the ISP assigned to my
machine so that I can have an Internet connection between my machine and
the ISP's network to the Internet, which changes every time I dial-up and
make a connection with the ISP's network.
I don't even care about some kind of privacy aspects that are trying to be
pointed out in the original post, because none of it means anything with
protecting some kind of privacy.
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL
1) You probably cannot change the important information that allows
your ISP to know who you are, e.g. your MAC address, because if you
do your ISP will not know that your computer is yours and not let
you onto the net at all. Your ISP knows which customers are paying
it and only lets those customers users its facilities. Trying to
protect your IP at your home is a losing proposition.
2) If you go to a hotspot, you can probably spoof your mac address and
still be let onto the net (the hotspot vendor won't care, because
they are providing the service for "free")
Re: Privacy/Security: How to change my IP address daily or weekly on DSL 