Re: Repeaters, send/receive through antenna only, or base unit to?

I made the leap! I followed DanS advice but did upgrade it from the
9dbi to the 16dbi. I purchased an

Engenius / EOC-3220+ / 54Mbps / 802.11g / - 400mW / 16 dbi Outdoor
Wireless Access Point/Bridge
Belkin F5D7132
and a long wire of Outdoor + Shielded Cat 5e

I hope that does it! The total price was around $275. Thank you

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:26:48 -0800 (PST), Jenny.Venus@gmail.com wrote in
<9a59ba19-6deb-4665-b238-261252b3aad7@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:

>I made the leap! I followed DanS advice but did upgrade it from the
>9dbi to the 16dbi. I purchased an
>
>Engenius / EOC-3220+ / 54Mbps / 802.11g / - 400mW / 16 dbi Outdoor
>Wireless Access Point/Bridge
>Belkin F5D7132
>and a long wire of Outdoor + Shielded Cat 5e
>
>I hope that does it! The total price was around $275. Thank you

Be warned that Engenius (Senao) is infamous for poor documentation and
user interface. While some users are happy with that kit, I know of a
number of others that have given up in utter frustration.

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On Jan 11, 1:26 pm, Jenny.Ve...@gmail.com wrote:
> I made the leap! I followed DanS advice but did upgrade it from the
> 9dbi to the 16dbi. I purchased an
>
> Engenius / EOC-3220+ / 54Mbps / 802.11g / - 400mW / 16 dbi Outdoor
> Wireless Access Point/Bridge
> Belkin F5D7132
> and a long wire of Outdoor + Shielded Cat 5e
>
> I hope that does it! The total price was around $275. Thank you

Sounds good. I just looked up that Belkin and it looks appropriate.
I couldn't believe the low $33 price I saw online, surely you paid
more - where you bought it....http://www.provantage.com/belkin-
f5d7132~7BELR018.htm

Let us know how it works as this is very cheap for an AP.

I have also heard that the Engenius is confusing to setup. I forgot
about that. But it is considered a good piece of gear, and it is a
nice all in one package, once you get the settings right. Let us know
if you have setup problems and somebody will be able to help with
that.

Steve

It's Jenny. Need help. I got the Engenius 3220+ bridge to work, I
put it in Bridge mode and whenever my laptop was plugged into it with
a Cat5 the Engenius Bridge gave it a DHCP address and I was connected
to my parents network and flying online. YEAH!!! My Belkin Wireless
repeater, I got that to work alone as well. If I bring it outside and
click the auto-configure button it sees and repeats my parents network
wirelessly. I'm not able to get the repeater to work with the
bridge. I plugged in my repeater (it only has a single LAN port) to
the bridge, and followed the directions to turn it into an access
point and changed it's IP address. So, my network looks like

Parents Router IP:
192.168.1.1 & 255.255.255.0

My Bridge IP
192.168.1.34 & 255.255.255.0

My Repeater
192.168.1.35 & 255.255.255.0

No luck. After connecting to the repeater wirelessely, it hung on
waiting for DHCP and after a minute gave me something like 68.xx.xx.xx
wasn't on the same subnet. I configured my wireless adapters IP
address manually to 192.168.1.36 but couldn't go online, I was able in
the address bar to type in the IP addresses of the router & bridge and
connect to them. So, the bridge is working alone, the repeater is
working alone, but the bridge & repeater combo is not. Any idea what
the problem is? Do I need the Engenius to be in Bridge/Router mode
instead of just Bridge?

Thanks, Jenny.

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:50:48 -0800 (PST), Jenny.Venus@gmail.com wrote in
<49e2df1b-3288-4842-bab1-c3e67cb8698d@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:

>It's Jenny. Need help. I got the Engenius 3220+ bridge to work, I
>put it in Bridge mode and whenever my laptop was plugged into it with
>a Cat5 the Engenius Bridge gave it a DHCP address and I was connected
>to my parents network and flying online. YEAH!!! My Belkin Wireless
>repeater, I got that to work alone as well. If I bring it outside and
>click the auto-configure button it sees and repeats my parents network
>wirelessly. I'm not able to get the repeater to work with the
>bridge. I plugged in my repeater (it only has a single LAN port) to
>the bridge, and followed the directions to turn it into an access
>point and changed it's IP address. So, my network looks like
>
>Parents Router IP:
>192.168.1.1 & 255.255.255.0
>
>My Bridge IP
>192.168.1.34 & 255.255.255.0
>
>My Repeater
>192.168.1.35 & 255.255.255.0

A bridge (wireless Ethernet client or wireless access point) DOESN'T
need an IP address except for management.

>No luck. After connecting to the repeater wirelessely, it hung on
>waiting for DHCP and after a minute gave me something like 68.xx.xx.xx
>wasn't on the same subnet. I configured my wireless adapters IP
>address manually to 192.168.1.36 but couldn't go online, I was able in
>the address bar to type in the IP addresses of the router & bridge and
>connect to them. So, the bridge is working alone, the repeater is
>working alone, but the bridge & repeater combo is not. Any idea what
>the problem is?

Turn off ALL security when troubleshooting.

Setting your wireless adapter to auto IP (DHCP), your DHCP request
should be passing through the wireless access point (bridge, NOT
repeater) to the wireless Ethernet client bridge (Engenius/Senao) over
the wireless to your parent's wireless router.

Since it works when cabled to the wireless Ethernet client bridge
(Engenius/Senao), the problem is in either (a) the wireless access point
(bridge, NOT repeater) or (b) the configuration of your wireless
adapter. Are you SURE the Belkin wireless repeater is configured for
and able to be a wireless access point? Test it on your parent's wired
network to be sure.

>Do I need the Engenius to be in Bridge/Router mode
>instead of just Bridge?

No.

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Thank you, thank you that was VERY helpful. The Belkin F5D7132 can be
a wireless access point. You run a program it comes with to change it
which I did. You made my day you feel the EOC 3220+ is working
correctly. I could tell why it's liked by the experts with screen
after screen of configuration items one can change. I think there are
over 100 items you can change! I didn't have to do much in the end
but spent a couple hours crawling and fighting through them.

Phew, that being the case, I can now focus my efforts on my Belkin
Access Point which has extremely few configuration items I can
change. I know what items I should spend my efforts on, and I am
really impressed with the Engenius 3220+, when I'm hooked in with the
Cat5 it's amazing. Thank you so much, I'll reset the Access Point and
start fresh and this time will stay out of the advanced menus :)

Thank you John you were right!!! It's working perfect now!!

I reset both the Engenius 3220+ and Belkin F5D7132 back to factory
defaults. I set up the Engenius, connected to it with a Cat5 and was
connected in no time to my parents house. I set up the Belkin F5D7132
as an access point, plugged it into the bridge, and connected to the
wireless network but could not go online. I went over the AP
configuration, but there's only 2 things I can change (channel and
SSID), it's practically idiot proof. That narrowed it to my wireless
adapter and I'd forgotten to set it back to get IP address and DNS
servers automatically. Once I did, I reconnected to my access point
and everything started working!

Thank you so much, I was about to go deep into the Engenius
configuration and set it to Bridge/Router mode, then AP if all else
failed and probably spent weeks going nowhere. If you hadn't told me
I was in the right mode (Bridge only) and the Engenius appeared to be
working properly, I'd be at it for weeks. I even successfully
restricted the MAC addresses that can join. Thank you, you are so
smart, nice and patient.

Jenny

Glad to hear you were successful, and thanks for taking the time to say
thanks -- all too many don't bother.

Recommend against using MAC filtering -- won't help security (really),
and tends to cause grief. Likewise do turn off SSID broadcast.

On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:56:15 -0800 (PST), Jenny.Venus@gmail.com wrote in
<ca43d256-6c3a-4ea6-8543-8ab439552032@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:

>Thank you John you were right!!! It's working perfect now!!
>
>I reset both the Engenius 3220+ and Belkin F5D7132 back to factory
>defaults. I set up the Engenius, connected to it with a Cat5 and was
>connected in no time to my parents house. I set up the Belkin F5D7132
>as an access point, plugged it into the bridge, and connected to the
>wireless network but could not go online. I went over the AP
>configuration, but there's only 2 things I can change (channel and
>SSID), it's practically idiot proof. That narrowed it to my wireless
>adapter and I'd forgotten to set it back to get IP address and DNS
>servers automatically. Once I did, I reconnected to my access point
>and everything started working!
>
>Thank you so much, I was about to go deep into the Engenius
>configuration and set it to Bridge/Router mode, then AP if all else
>failed and probably spent weeks going nowhere. If you hadn't told me
>I was in the right mode (Bridge only) and the Engenius appeared to be
>working properly, I'd be at it for weeks. I even successfully
>restricted the MAC addresses that can join. Thank you, you are so
>smart, nice and patient.

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never ever turn off ssid broadcast, does absolutely NOTHING for security and
causes all sorts of problems for yourself...


John Navas wrote:
> Glad to hear you were successful, and thanks for taking the time to
> say thanks -- all too many don't bother.
>
> Recommend against using MAC filtering -- won't help security (really),
> and tends to cause grief. Likewise do turn off SSID broadcast.
>
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:56:15 -0800 (PST), Jenny.Venus@gmail.com wrote
> in <ca43d256-6c3a-4ea6-8543-8ab439552032@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
>
>> Thank you John you were right!!! It's working perfect now!!
>>
>> I reset both the Engenius 3220+ and Belkin F5D7132 back to factory
>> defaults. I set up the Engenius, connected to it with a Cat5 and was
>> connected in no time to my parents house. I set up the Belkin
>> F5D7132 as an access point, plugged it into the bridge, and
>> connected to the wireless network but could not go online. I went
>> over the AP configuration, but there's only 2 things I can change
>> (channel and SSID), it's practically idiot proof. That narrowed it
>> to my wireless adapter and I'd forgotten to set it back to get IP
>> address and DNS servers automatically. Once I did, I reconnected to
>> my access point and everything started working!
>>
>> Thank you so much, I was about to go deep into the Engenius
>> configuration and set it to Bridge/Router mode, then AP if all else
>> failed and probably spent weeks going nowhere. If you hadn't told me
>> I was in the right mode (Bridge only) and the Engenius appeared to be
>> working properly, I'd be at it for weeks. I even successfully
>> restricted the MAC addresses that can join. Thank you, you are so
>> smart, nice and patient.

Right -- typo on my part -- meant to write:
Likewise do NOT turn off SSID broadcast.
Thanks for catching that!

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:13:15 -0500, "Peter Pan"
<PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
<5vdio4F1lrbtfU1@mid.individual.net>:

>never ever turn off ssid broadcast, does absolutely NOTHING for security and
>causes all sorts of problems for yourself...
>
>
>John Navas wrote:
>> Glad to hear you were successful, and thanks for taking the time to
>> say thanks -- all too many don't bother.
>>
>> Recommend against using MAC filtering -- won't help security (really),
>> and tends to cause grief. Likewise do turn off SSID broadcast.
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:56:15 -0800 (PST), Jenny.Venus@gmail.com wrote
>> in <ca43d256-6c3a-4ea6-8543-8ab439552032@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>>> Thank you John you were right!!! It's working perfect now!!
>>>
>>> I reset both the Engenius 3220+ and Belkin F5D7132 back to factory
>>> defaults. I set up the Engenius, connected to it with a Cat5 and was
>>> connected in no time to my parents house. I set up the Belkin
>>> F5D7132 as an access point, plugged it into the bridge, and
>>> connected to the wireless network but could not go online. I went
>>> over the AP configuration, but there's only 2 things I can change
>>> (channel and SSID), it's practically idiot proof. That narrowed it
>>> to my wireless adapter and I'd forgotten to set it back to get IP
>>> address and DNS servers automatically. Once I did, I reconnected to
>>> my access point and everything started working!
>>>
>>> Thank you so much, I was about to go deep into the Engenius
>>> configuration and set it to Bridge/Router mode, then AP if all else
>>> failed and probably spent weeks going nowhere. If you hadn't told me
>>> I was in the right mode (Bridge only) and the Engenius appeared to be
>>> working properly, I'd be at it for weeks. I even successfully
>>> restricted the MAC addresses that can join. Thank you, you are so
>>> smart, nice and patient.
>

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