Re: Where can I download a hotspot list?

letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> I just got my first laptop w/wifi card. I have successfully connected
> while on a trip. Mostly at motels, by just parking in their parking
> lot. I also picked up a signal at McDonalds but they wanted me to
> pay, which was not possible because they were closed (after hours).
>
> I mostly want to do this when I am on the road travelling, but because
> I live in a rural area and can only get dialup internet at home, I'd
> like to find a nearby free connection so I can download large files.
> For example, at home on dialup it takes well over an hour to download
> a 15meg file, where using the WIFI only takes a few minutes. I could
> even watch Youtube videos on this laptop, which at home I can only
> watch them after I download them to my own harddrive.

I disagree with this usurpation of the bandwidth of others. You are
saying that you want to make heavy usage of the bandwidth of others who
have chosen to configure their network insecurely. They didn't configure
insecurely with the intention of you taking their bandwidth away from them
and interfering with the best usage of something to which they are
entitled. They configured insecurely either out of ignorance or out of a
wish to provide a convenience to their clients to not require a WPA or WEP
configurational disadvantage.

Your usage of someone else's bandwidth is not 'casual'. It is a heavy
intentional usage which will impact on others, which heavy intentional
usage you are making for downloading large files, which with the attitude
of someone who takes something from others which doesn't belong to them,
is likely to be copyrighted content.

What exactly is keeping you from subscribing to better bandwidth than
dialup at home?




--
Mike Easter

Mike Easter wrote:
> letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>> I just got my first laptop w/wifi card. I have successfully connected
>> while on a trip. Mostly at motels, by just parking in their parking
>> lot. I also picked up a signal at McDonalds but they wanted me to
>> pay, which was not possible because they were closed (after hours).
>>
>> I mostly want to do this when I am on the road travelling, but because
>> I live in a rural area and can only get dialup internet at home, I'd
>> like to find a nearby free connection so I can download large files.
>> For example, at home on dialup it takes well over an hour to download
>> a 15meg file, where using the WIFI only takes a few minutes. I could
>> even watch Youtube videos on this laptop, which at home I can only
>> watch them after I download them to my own harddrive.
>
> I disagree with this usurpation of the bandwidth of others. You are
> saying that you want to make heavy usage of the bandwidth of others who
> have chosen to configure their network insecurely. They didn't configure
> insecurely with the intention of you taking their bandwidth away from them
> and interfering with the best usage of something to which they are
> entitled. They configured insecurely either out of ignorance or out of a
> wish to provide a convenience to their clients to not require a WPA or WEP
> configurational disadvantage.
>
> Your usage of someone else's bandwidth is not 'casual'. It is a heavy
> intentional usage which will impact on others, which heavy intentional
> usage you are making for downloading large files, which with the attitude
> of someone who takes something from others which doesn't belong to them,
> is likely to be copyrighted content.
>
> What exactly is keeping you from subscribing to better bandwidth than
> dialup at home?
>
>
>
>
Too cheap or too poor, but then he just got a laptop.

LouB wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> letterman@invalid.com wrote:

>>> I'd
>>> like to find a nearby free connection so I can download large files.
>>> For example, at home on dialup it takes well over an hour to download
>>> a 15meg file, where using the WIFI only takes a few minutes. I could
>>> even watch Youtube videos on this laptop, which at home I can only
>>> watch them after I download them to my own harddrive.
>>
>> I disagree with this usurpation of the bandwidth of others. You are
>> saying that you want to make heavy usage of the bandwidth of others who
>> have chosen to configure their network insecurely.

>> Your usage of someone else's bandwidth is not 'casual'. It is a heavy
>> intentional usage which will impact on others,

>> What exactly is keeping you from subscribing to better bandwidth than
>> dialup at home?

> Too cheap or too poor, but then he just got a laptop.

Just to make my arguments clear; I'm not disagreeing with the basic
premise of wardriving.

I'm also not disagreeing with his usage of the library's bandwidth and
connectivity as long as that usage is appropriate.

What I am disagreeing with is his seeking out and finding some insecure
network in his local neighborhood and usurping that network's bandwidth in
a thoughtless, selfish, greedy manner. The idea that every insecure
network is just there for the plucking of many many gigabytes to the
detriment of the owner or clients of that insecure network by a selfish
thoughtless usurper seems to me to be unethical and thus immoral.

The idea that anything that isn't illegal or, even if illegal, if you can
get away with it, must be OK, doesn't suit me.



--
Mike Easter

Mike Easter wrote:
> LouB wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> letterman@invalid.com wrote:
>
>>>> I'd
>>>> like to find a nearby free connection so I can download large files.
>>>> For example, at home on dialup it takes well over an hour to download
>>>> a 15meg file, where using the WIFI only takes a few minutes. I could
>>>> even watch Youtube videos on this laptop, which at home I can only
>>>> watch them after I download them to my own harddrive.
>>> I disagree with this usurpation of the bandwidth of others. You are
>>> saying that you want to make heavy usage of the bandwidth of others who
>>> have chosen to configure their network insecurely.
>
>>> Your usage of someone else's bandwidth is not 'casual'. It is a heavy
>>> intentional usage which will impact on others,
>
>>> What exactly is keeping you from subscribing to better bandwidth than
>>> dialup at home?
>
>> Too cheap or too poor, but then he just got a laptop.
>
> Just to make my arguments clear; I'm not disagreeing with the basic
> premise of wardriving.
>
> I'm also not disagreeing with his usage of the library's bandwidth and
> connectivity as long as that usage is appropriate.
>
> What I am disagreeing with is his seeking out and finding some insecure
> network in his local neighborhood and usurping that network's bandwidth in
> a thoughtless, selfish, greedy manner. The idea that every insecure
> network is just there for the plucking of many many gigabytes to the
> detriment of the owner or clients of that insecure network by a selfish
> thoughtless usurper seems to me to be unethical and thus immoral.
>
> The idea that anything that isn't illegal or, even if illegal, if you can
> get away with it, must be OK, doesn't suit me.
>
>
>
Agreed since he says he wants to d/l 15meg files.
In which case he should go to a public hot spot like Perkins.

Lou

letterman@invalid.com wrote:
> "Mike Easter"
>> letterman@invalid.com wrote:

>>> I live in a rural area and can only get dialup internet at home, I'd
>>> like to find a nearby free connection so I can download large files.

This part is about tapping into some local broadband insecure network.
There are a lot of ways to do that.

>> I disagree with this usurpation of the bandwidth of others.

> And I'm not stealing anything.

I was careful to not use that word.

> The Library has it there to be used by
> the public and that is what I am doing.

Yes the library is offering you some of their bandwidth to share with
others. I would advise you to not be a pig while you are sharing and to
not behave in ways which are against the policies of the library.

> The only time I have tapped
> into other systems is when I travel, and that's when I have gone to
> motels and truckstops which also offer it free.

When you are 'tapping' into the other systems, realize that if you soak up
all of the bandwidth, then there is much less left for others, which
truckers may have important data to be transmitting to or from their
dispatcher in order to make a living.

> And as far as the truck stops, the reason they have it is
> for travellers, which is perfectly legal.

We are not talking about legalities as much as we are talking about
consideration for others needs. Downloading big files is like opening up
a pipe and sucking all of the water out of it while leaving a trickle for
someone else who might be thirsty and deserve the water which you don't.

> I have never hacked into
> anyone's private connections, which in most cases are locked anyhow,

The reason that everyone should secure their networks is to prevent the
abuse of the bandwidth by binary file bandwidth hogs.

> and if they are not locked, I can not get this thing to connect to
> them.

Sometimes a network isn't secured for either convenience reasons or for
logistics reasons or for ignorance reasons. What an 'interloper' does
with those insecure networks should try to be respectful of the rights and
needs of others and not just think of himself.



--
Mike Easter

In article <75pbb7F1935enU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> Yes the library is offering you some of their bandwidth to share with
> others. I would advise you to not be a pig while you are sharing and to
> not behave in ways which are against the policies of the library.

.... and change your under-diddley-ware daily.
--
Suddenly he realized that he was alone
with a giant halfwit on a dark deserted street.
-- Chester Himes