You will probably find it belongs to the University of Nevada.
Q330 Data loggers with a GPS Synchronized Clocks seem to be part and
parcel of seismic monitoring stations.
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
On Jun 29, 3:23 pm, "Lumpy" <l...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
> m...@sushi.com wrote:
> >http://www.lazygranch.com/tikroad.htm
>
> I thought the Yagi pointed at a rubber duck
> on the 2nd unit?
>
> Lumpy
>
> In Your Ears for 40 Years
> www.lumpymusic.com
I don't recall a rubber duck on the 2nd unit. In any event, why would
someone set up a RF link for two setups about 50ft apart? Even if you
did, a yagi would be overkill for 50ft.
Lump:
> > I thought the Yagi pointed at a rubber duck
> > on the 2nd unit?
miso:
> I don't recall a rubber duck on the 2nd unit.
> In any event, why would someone set up a RF link
> for two setups about 50ft apart? Even if you
> did, a yagi would be overkill for 50ft.
I don't know why anyone would do that but it's
been a major topic of discussion on DLR ever
since Joerg first posted the photos.
Lumpy
You Played on Lawrence Welk?
Yes but no blue notes. Just blue hairs.
There's another monitoring station SW of there
Code: TA.U11A
Name: Corn Creek, NV, USA
Location: 36.42 N, 115.38 W
And there's another on someone's property in Rach-town.
All curiously set up to monitor earth movement south
and east of a place where there may or may not be
a big boom test, if the politics ever work out.
Lumpy
You were the "OPERATION" game voice?
Yes. Take out wrenched ankle.
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
On Jun 29, 6:22 pm, "Lumpy" <l...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
> http://www.lazygranch.com/tikroad.htm
>
> Lump:
>
> > > I thought the Yagi pointed at a rubber duck
> > > on the 2nd unit?
>
> miso:
>
> > I don't recall a rubber duck on the 2nd unit.
> > In any event, why would someone set up a RF link
> > for two setups about 50ft apart? Even if you
> > did, a yagi would be overkill for 50ft.
>
> I don't know why anyone would do that but it's
> been a major topic of discussion on DLR ever
> since Joerg first posted the photos.
>
> Lumpy
>
> You Played on Lawrence Welk?
> Yes but no blue notes. Just blue hairs.
>
> www.lumpyguitar.net
I can't find that post, but I saw no rubber ducky in that site. You
can search the photo and verify there is no rubber ducky. There is a
GPS antenna for timing, which is quite common in networking.
There is a Yucca Mountain Project earthquake network, a Great Basin
network, one for Nevada, and probably a few more. You can't say for
sure which network this sensor is part of. Further, I see no reason to
assume both facilities are related. Different power sources,
different fencing,... this doesn't sound like the facilities are tied
together.
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:29:48 -0700, "Lumpy"
<lumpy@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>miso@sushi.com wrote:
>> http://www.lazygranch.com/tikroad.htm
>
>In case you missed the lengthy discussion,
>here's the website that displays the
>seismic measurements from that station -
>http://rev.seis.sc.edu/stations/TA/T...tion_dbid=1586
>
>There's another monitoring station SW of there
>Code: TA.U11A
>Name: Corn Creek, NV, USA
>Location: 36.42 N, 115.38 W
>
>And there's another on someone's property in Rach-town.
>All curiously set up to monitor earth movement south
>and east of a place where there may or may not be
>a big boom test, if the politics ever work out.
>
>
>Lumpy
>
>You were the "OPERATION" game voice?
>Yes. Take out wrenched ankle.
>
>www.lumpyvoice.com
>
>
Uh ...... wharze the geophones ?? can't see any geophones in either
of these pictures !
looks a LOT more like a geomagnetic setup of equipment ..... the white
cabinet box , is typical of USGS geomag units .
earthquake sites are usually ( huge ) spider webs of linked
geophones, on a splay of axis suitable for monitoring ground motion.
it takes numerous ( dozens , many dozens ) vertical and horizontal
arrays to accomplish this properly.
even in my own personal system I have a grid of 11 sensors for both
vertical and horiz . this doesn't look like anything I have seen
before ( and I have seen tons of them ) for earthquake measurement.
for this to " really " be useful for earth quakes it seems to be
missing a LOT of equipment that is standard for such stations.
maybe the one ( without the white cabinet ) is measuring ground water
radiation and has a single scint probe buried in the water table !!
dunno, but nothing there to suggest seismic measurements !!
these so called seismic charts for that station you mentioned "
do not compute " . many of the traces show " high freq "
motion detection , like ( say ) a wind storm would produce on a
unfiltered sensor. sensors that detect wind ,
or ANY high frequency motions ( above 10hz , but often above even 4.5
hz ) are of absolutely NO use to monitor seismic earthquake
activities.
for example ...... push the " back " button
to page 2007-06-25 ... 2007-06-26 and look
there is NO such thing as a 24 hour earthquake.
all of these 2 hour traces are showing wind induced
sensor activity. go forward to the next day and it's a quieter day
with what looks like a little local truck / car traffic.
( 22:00 )
the next day shows almost no wind and
a couple of interesting trapezoidal
motion prints ....... VERY interesting . also not a natural
earth wave. there are also a few typical seismic events , but FAR too
few to be a real life earthquake record. a typical day
here has dozens of tiny quake events, never seen a quite day ever !
don't know what kind of info they are gathering at the sites,
but it's definitely not basic quake data....... it's something
totally different seismically speaking ! maybe those charts aren't
really what's happening at all. seems odd that someone would spend
all that money and time to sit and watch the wind blow their sensors
from some remote site !!!
>There's another monitoring station SW of there
>Code: TA.U11A
>Name: Corn Creek, NV, USA
>Location: 36.42 N, 115.38 W
>
>And there's another on someone's property in Rach-town.
>All curiously set up to monitor earth movement south
>and east of a place where there may or may not be
>a big boom test, if the politics ever work out.
>
>
>Lumpy
>
>You were the "OPERATION" game voice?
>Yes. Take out wrenched ankle.
>
>www.lumpyvoice.com
>
>
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
On Jun 29, 8:27 pm, krackula <krack...@i.am> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:29:48 -0700, "Lumpy"
>
>
>
> <l...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
> >m...@sushi.com wrote:
> >>http://www.lazygranch.com/tikroad.htm
>
> >In case you missed the lengthy discussion,
> >here's the website that displays the
> >seismic measurements from that station -
> >http://rev.seis.sc.edu/stations/TA/T...tion_dbid=1586
>
> >There's another monitoring station SW of there
> >Code: TA.U11A
> >Name: Corn Creek, NV, USA
> >Location: 36.42 N, 115.38 W
>
> >And there's another on someone's property in Rach-town.
> >All curiously set up to monitor earth movement south
> >and east of a place where there may or may not be
> >a big boom test, if the politics ever work out.
>
> >Lumpy
>
> >You were the "OPERATION" game voice?
> >Yes. Take out wrenched ankle.
>
> >www.lumpyvoice.com
>
> Uh ...... wharze the geophones ?? can't see any geophones in either
> of these pictures !
>
> looks a LOT more like a geomagnetic setup of equipment ..... the white
> cabinet box , is typical of USGS geomag units .
>
> earthquake sites are usually ( huge ) spider webs of linked
> geophones, on a splay of axis suitable for monitoring ground motion.
> it takes numerous ( dozens , many dozens ) vertical and horizontal
> arrays to accomplish this properly.
>
> like this .........
>
> http://www.grandunification.com/hype...arning_System2....
>
> http://www.i-o.com/Land_Imaging/Geophones/
>
> http://www.seismicnet.com/geophone/index.html
>
> http://www.harbourdom.de/geophones.htm
>
> even in my own personal system I have a grid of 11 sensors for both
> vertical and horiz . this doesn't look like anything I have seen
> before ( and I have seen tons of them ) for earthquake measurement.
>
> it does , however , look a lot like the cabinet in the middle of this
> page ...........http://geomag.usgs.gov/observatories/fresno/
>
> for this to " really " be useful for earth quakes it seems to be
> missing a LOT of equipment that is standard for such stations.
>
> maybe the one ( without the white cabinet ) is measuring ground water
> radiation and has a single scint probe buried in the water table !!
> dunno, but nothing there to suggest seismic measurements !!
I don't have the links handy anymore, but everything is buried quite
deep in these installations. Multiple sensors are used, but across a
network. Google
q330 episensor
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
krackula wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:29:48 -0700, "Lumpy"
> <lumpy@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>
>> miso@sushi.com wrote:
>>> http://www.lazygranch.com/tikroad.htm
>> In case you missed the lengthy discussion,
>> here's the website that displays the
>> seismic measurements from that station -
>> http://rev.seis.sc.edu/stations/TA/T...tion_dbid=1586
>>
>> There's another monitoring station SW of there
>> Code: TA.U11A
>> Name: Corn Creek, NV, USA
>> Location: 36.42 N, 115.38 W
>>
>> And there's another on someone's property in Rach-town.
>> All curiously set up to monitor earth movement south
>> and east of a place where there may or may not be
>> a big boom test, if the politics ever work out.
>>
>>
>> Lumpy
>>
>> You were the "OPERATION" game voice?
>> Yes. Take out wrenched ankle.
>>
>> www.lumpyvoice.com
>>
>>
>
>
> Uh ...... wharze the geophones ?? can't see any geophones in either
> of these pictures !
>
> looks a LOT more like a geomagnetic setup of equipment ..... the white
> cabinet box , is typical of USGS geomag units .
>
> earthquake sites are usually ( huge ) spider webs of linked
> geophones, on a splay of axis suitable for monitoring ground motion.
> it takes numerous ( dozens , many dozens ) vertical and horizontal
> arrays to accomplish this properly.
>
> like this .........
>
> http://www.grandunification.com/hype...g_System2.html
>
> http://www.i-o.com/Land_Imaging/Geophones/
>
> http://www.seismicnet.com/geophone/index.html
>
> http://www.harbourdom.de/geophones.htm
>
>
> even in my own personal system I have a grid of 11 sensors for both
> vertical and horiz . this doesn't look like anything I have seen
> before ( and I have seen tons of them ) for earthquake measurement.
>
>
> it does , however , look a lot like the cabinet in the middle of this
> page ...........
> http://geomag.usgs.gov/observatories/fresno/
>
>
> for this to " really " be useful for earth quakes it seems to be
> missing a LOT of equipment that is standard for such stations.
>
>
>
> maybe the one ( without the white cabinet ) is measuring ground water
> radiation and has a single scint probe buried in the water table !!
> dunno, but nothing there to suggest seismic measurements !!
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
On Jun 29, 10:36 pm, krackula <krack...@i.am> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:29:48 -0700, "Lumpy"
>
> <l...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
> >m...@sushi.com wrote:
> >>http://www.lazygranch.com/tikroad.htm
>
> >In case you missed the lengthy discussion,
> >here's the website that displays the
> >seismic measurements from that station -
> >http://rev.seis.sc.edu/stations/TA/T...tion_dbid=1586
>
> hey lump ........
>
> these so called seismic charts for that station you mentioned "
> do not compute " . many of the traces show " high freq "
> motion detection , like ( say ) a wind storm would produce on a
> unfiltered sensor. sensors that detect wind ,
> or ANY high frequency motions ( above 10hz , but often above even 4.5
> hz ) are of absolutely NO use to monitor seismic earthquake
> activities.
>
> for example ...... push the " back " button
> to page 2007-06-25 ... 2007-06-26 and look
> there is NO such thing as a 24 hour earthquake.
> all of these 2 hour traces are showing wind induced
> sensor activity. go forward to the next day and it's a quieter day
> with what looks like a little local truck / car traffic.
> ( 22:00 )
>
> the next day shows almost no wind and
> a couple of interesting trapezoidal
> motion prints ....... VERY interesting . also not a natural
> earth wave. there are also a few typical seismic events , but FAR too
> few to be a real life earthquake record. a typical day
> here has dozens of tiny quake events, never seen a quite day ever !
>
> don't know what kind of info they are gathering at the sites,
> but it's definitely not basic quake data....... it's something
> totally different seismically speaking ! maybe those charts aren't
> really what's happening at all. seems odd that someone would spend
> all that money and time to sit and watch the wind blow their sensors
> from some remote site !!!
>
> >There's another monitoring station SW of there
> >Code: TA.U11A
> >Name: Corn Creek, NV, USA
> >Location: 36.42 N, 115.38 W
>
> >And there's another on someone's property in Rach-town.
> >All curiously set up to monitor earth movement south
> >and east of a place where there may or may not be
> >a big boom test, if the politics ever work out.
>
> >Lumpy
>
> >You were the "OPERATION" game voice?
> >Yes. Take out wrenched ankle.
>
> >www.lumpyvoice.com
The sensors are beneath ground, so I don't think there is a wind issue.
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:38:30 -0700, miso@sushi.com wrote:
>On Jun 29, 8:27 pm, krackula <krack...@i.am> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:29:48 -0700, "Lumpy"
>>
>>
>>
>> <l...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>> >m...@sushi.com wrote:
>> >>http://www.lazygranch.com/tikroad.htm
>>
>> >In case you missed the lengthy discussion,
>> >here's the website that displays the
>> >seismic measurements from that station -
>> >http://rev.seis.sc.edu/stations/TA/T...tion_dbid=1586
>>
>> >There's another monitoring station SW of there
>> >Code: TA.U11A
>> >Name: Corn Creek, NV, USA
>> >Location: 36.42 N, 115.38 W
>>
>> >And there's another on someone's property in Rach-town.
>> >All curiously set up to monitor earth movement south
>> >and east of a place where there may or may not be
>> >a big boom test, if the politics ever work out.
>>
>> >Lumpy
>>
>> >You were the "OPERATION" game voice?
>> >Yes. Take out wrenched ankle.
>>
>> >www.lumpyvoice.com
>>
>> Uh ...... wharze the geophones ?? can't see any geophones in either
>> of these pictures !
>>
>> looks a LOT more like a geomagnetic setup of equipment ..... the white
>> cabinet box , is typical of USGS geomag units .
>>
>> earthquake sites are usually ( huge ) spider webs of linked
>> geophones, on a splay of axis suitable for monitoring ground motion.
>> it takes numerous ( dozens , many dozens ) vertical and horizontal
>> arrays to accomplish this properly.
>>
>> like this .........
>>
>> http://www.grandunification.com/hype...arning_System2....
>>
>> http://www.i-o.com/Land_Imaging/Geophones/
>>
>> http://www.seismicnet.com/geophone/index.html
>>
>> http://www.harbourdom.de/geophones.htm
>>
>> even in my own personal system I have a grid of 11 sensors for both
>> vertical and horiz . this doesn't look like anything I have seen
>> before ( and I have seen tons of them ) for earthquake measurement.
>>
>> it does , however , look a lot like the cabinet in the middle of this
>> page ...........http://geomag.usgs.gov/observatories/fresno/
>>
>> for this to " really " be useful for earth quakes it seems to be
>> missing a LOT of equipment that is standard for such stations.
>>
>> maybe the one ( without the white cabinet ) is measuring ground water
>> radiation and has a single scint probe buried in the water table !!
>> dunno, but nothing there to suggest seismic measurements !!
>
>I don't have the links handy anymore, but everything is buried quite
>deep in these installations. Multiple sensors are used, but across a
>network. Google
>q330 episensor
it'd be interesting to know more about what their sensors look
like and what parameters they are measuring .
this equipment strays a LONG way from common USGI type earthquake
stations.
typical geophones have a spike on the bottom and are driven into the
ground . they " must " be mounted on top of the ground, because after
all , that's where the earthquake damage happens and we need to know
how strong it was on the surface ( for horiz movement ) and
the vertical sensors are also driven into the ground as well. in
recent times people have started mounting vertical sensors in well
type holes as an alternative.
trouble with all those sensors is that they require a LOT of constant
maintenance. a whole industry exists to make equipment to do this job. http://www.i-o.com/Land_Imaging/Geophones/Testers/
they are exposed to the elements and there are many connections on the
long strings of sensors. they develop problems frequently.
" buried deep in the ground sensors " is quite a stray from normal
seismic station practice.
sensor maintenance is the source of the many affordable sensors on
ebay ..... useful to make your own home seismic station
jug type sensors are dropped into shallow ( 3' ) holes in the ground
and are sometimes used instead of spike sensor strings where
conditions might be most severe. but large local strings of these are
used as well and they require the frequent maintenance , just like the
spikes !
sensor stations are adjusted to the threshold of earth's rotation
rumble and filtered to below 20hz , 10, 4.5 hz or 1 hz depending upon
the types of measurements being made. a properly built and adjusted
seismic station shows NO wind noise and a baseline of constant earth
rumble with occasional quake spikes ...... like this ........
some are even adjusted to null out the earth rumble.
compare this to the pages of data on the site mentioned somewhere in
this thread and you will see that they bear little resemblance to each
other. ( and the zillions of USGI sites ALL look exactly alike )
this indicating that the stations near area 51 are measuring
parameters FAR different from normal USGI earthquake motion.
maybe it's a school sponsored government project relating to testing
or activities located in the local vicinity ? dunno .........
like I said , it'd be interesting to understand why they are doing
this and " exactly " what types of measurements they are making.
it's nothing like standardized ( ie: USGI ) earthquake monitoring.
not even close.
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
On Jun 30, 1:25 am, "Lumpy" <l...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
> m...@sushi.com wrote:
> > I can't find that post...
>
> Very first DLR post in the very, very lengthy thread
> 6/14/2007 18:19:42hrs by Joerg titled
> "Another Interesting Find"
>
> The thread continues under a couple of different
> subject titles for a couple of hundred posts.
>
> Lumpy
>
> Did you do a lot of those Emergency Broadcast Warnings?
> Yes. Had it been an actual emergency I would have hid.
>
> www.lumpyvoice.net
you'd think that since we already have an elaborate USGS
network of seismic stations that stuff like this would be
surperfulious , totally unnecessary. after all, the USGS stations
are a result and evolution of over a century of study and research
into measuring earthquakes. don't they represent the " pinnacle "
of application of lessons learned ! well, yes they do ..... but
there " might " be some other interesting ( to some people )
things going on down there that the design of these stations
( conviently ) totally eliminates from their measurement.
this is a subject dear to my interests ..... one I would just love to
launch right into . alas , I cannot do that .. but I will make a few
comments ( do I hear the teacher coming with the ruler
to smack my hand again ?? ya yaha haha )
just think of this. some of the links above contain very interesting
information , especially when compared against the USGS station
equipment. the chart result of traces is quite different from USGS
and the equipment differences explain why. also, maps of sensor
placement ( usgs and the others ) are interesting to ponder as well
!
that ............
and a " knowledgable " government conspiracy nut could
make GREAT use of " all that " to fabricate some pretty wild
theories that would have interesting factual information to foster
those thoughts. ( they could , but the reality would probably be
miles away from their thoughts )
look at the " enormous " web of satellites and sensors , that our
government has launched into the sky ...... mostly to compliment
thoughts of protection for our country from the air , and space
and to facilitate military applications !!!
you'd think that the USA is somewhat paranoid if you didn't know
better ! think then , what might be a natural
extension of that desire to " know " what is happening around you ?
it's well known that we have the sea beds peppered with monitoring and
detection equipment...... and perhaps even defensive ( offensive ?? )
weapons platforms for homeland protection as well ! ( nawww ....
we'd never put weapons platforms in space or under the seas would we
?? .... don't we have treaties that say we won't ?? )
( disclaimer: not of the above is necessarily directly applicable to
what is actually happening with the equipment in this thread )
anyway ......... this is a great thread .. with tons of interesting
material for a wide range of interests for people that might read
this NG. truly super stuff ............
and along those lines ....... I've posted a " public view " trace of
equipment designed to do the same measurements .... slightly
different
" slant and parameters " .. but essentially the exact same stuff .
this jpeg is posted on
alt.binaries.radio-scanner for your review.
the top trace is a 24 hour geomagnetic run ( that's my story and
I'm sticking to it ) and the bottom trace is the ( heavily didacted )
same time line for .... uh .......... measurements very similar to
the ones mentioned in the above thread by someone else.
( maybe , if you overlayed my trace and theirs, you'd find some
correlation on one of their pages !! haha haha note that
anything really " interesting " has been intentionally removed
from MY traces ).
it's good to note that almost " anyone " can set this equipment up at
home VERY inexpensively . the farther you are located from area51
the more of a disadvantage you might be, but just maybe there
is interesting " stuff " to measure in your own local as well. there
is FAR more happening , nationwide , then anyone would probably
suspect !
know also that there might be " additional ' types of complimentary
measurements that one would make to go with this information
( electromagnetic, infrasonic , IR, radiological or ?? ) and some
are probably part of the stations mentioned above but not publicly
reported .
it's also easy to make this equipment portable and take it with when
you go to area51 - nellis - nts. ttr and maybe you'd have the happy
coincidence of being there when an interesting event is taking place
as well.
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
krackula wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> maybe the one ( without the white cabinet ) is measuring ground water
>>> radiation and has a single scint probe buried in the water table !!
>>> dunno, but nothing there to suggest seismic measurements !!
>> See fig 38.1
>> http://seismo.berkeley.edu/annual_re...06/node40.html
>>
>> pdf STS2
>> http://www.kinemetrics.com/PDFs/sts2-1.pdf
>>
>> Seismic Monitoring Nevada 006
>> <http://www.ceri.memphis.edu/people/withers/NetOps/netsum/NevadaNetSummary.pdf>
>>
>>
>> Alamo Earthquake April 27th
>> http://www.seismo.unr.edu/feature/2007/alamo1.pdf
>>
>> Real Time Map
>> http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/FaultMaps/115-37.htm
>>
>
> thanx for those links , I appreciate it.
>
> " got it !! " . haha aha ha aa
>
> you'd think that since we already have an elaborate USGS
> network of seismic stations that stuff like this would be
> surperfulious , totally unnecessary. after all, the USGS stations
> are a result and evolution of over a century of study and research
> into measuring earthquakes. don't they represent the " pinnacle "
> of application of lessons learned ! well, yes they do ..... but
> there " might " be some other interesting ( to some people )
> things going on down there that the design of these stations
> ( conviently ) totally eliminates from their measurement.
>
Snip
Well "launch the viewer" and have a play with this as well:- http://nhss.cr.usgs.gov/
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
krackula wrote:
> ...some of the links above contain very interesting
> information , especially when compared against the USGS station
> equipment. the chart result of traces is quite different from USGS
> and the equipment differences explain why. also, maps of sensor
> placement ( usgs and the others ) are interesting to ponder as well...
One of the pages mentions that the sensors around Corn Creek
are funded by the DOE and also serve some kind of Antelope
Habitat study.
Looking at the placement of sensors, there are installations
at Warm Springs, TTR and several other locations surrounding
the ranges. It also seems that there are a comparitively large
number of faults around the ranges. It would make sense for
the DOE to study what the earth is doing before storing
nuclear waste or blowing up a big can of oil.
Lumpy
You Played on Lawrence Welk?
Yes but no blue notes. Just blue hairs.
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:35:12 -0700, miso@sushi.com wrote:
>On Jun 29, 10:36 pm, krackula <krack...@i.am> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:29:48 -0700, "Lumpy"
>>
>> <l...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>> >m...@sushi.com wrote:
>> >>http://www.lazygranch.com/tikroad.htm
>>
>> >In case you missed the lengthy discussion,
>> >here's the website that displays the
>> >seismic measurements from that station -
>> >http://rev.seis.sc.edu/stations/TA/T...tion_dbid=1586
>>
>> hey lump ........
>>
>> these so called seismic charts for that station you mentioned "
>> do not compute " . many of the traces show " high freq "
>> motion detection , like ( say ) a wind storm would produce on a
>> unfiltered sensor. sensors that detect wind ,
>> or ANY high frequency motions ( above 10hz , but often above even 4.5
>> hz ) are of absolutely NO use to monitor seismic earthquake
>> activities.
>>
>> for example ...... push the " back " button
>> to page 2007-06-25 ... 2007-06-26 and look
>> there is NO such thing as a 24 hour earthquake.
>> all of these 2 hour traces are showing wind induced
>> sensor activity. go forward to the next day and it's a quieter day
>> with what looks like a little local truck / car traffic.
>> ( 22:00 )
>>
>> the next day shows almost no wind and
>> a couple of interesting trapezoidal
>> motion prints ....... VERY interesting . also not a natural
>> earth wave. there are also a few typical seismic events , but FAR too
>> few to be a real life earthquake record. a typical day
>> here has dozens of tiny quake events, never seen a quite day ever !
>>
>> don't know what kind of info they are gathering at the sites,
>> but it's definitely not basic quake data....... it's something
>> totally different seismically speaking ! maybe those charts aren't
>> really what's happening at all. seems odd that someone would spend
>> all that money and time to sit and watch the wind blow their sensors
>> from some remote site !!!
>>
>> >There's another monitoring station SW of there
>> >Code: TA.U11A
>> >Name: Corn Creek, NV, USA
>> >Location: 36.42 N, 115.38 W
>>
>> >And there's another on someone's property in Rach-town.
>> >All curiously set up to monitor earth movement south
>> >and east of a place where there may or may not be
>> >a big boom test, if the politics ever work out.
>>
>> >Lumpy
>>
>> >You were the "OPERATION" game voice?
>> >Yes. Take out wrenched ankle.
>>
>> >www.lumpyvoice.com
>
>The sensors are beneath ground, so I don't think there is a wind issue.
the charts speak for themselves. if , for example, you are reading a
EGK strip chart and you see an elevated " T " wave ........ it's an
elevated T wave. if you see a signature " wind " trace , it's a wind
trace. a rose is a rose, by any other name. that , and if it WAS
ground tremble for that long and magnitude ( never mind it's a sig
wind wave ) you'd have to be ( should be ) seismically afraid , that
or possibly think tunnel boring equipment is afoot ( this ,
especially for you conspiracy people out there ) . if you don't
think " normal " ( usgs ) tremble data then maybe ' wind " isn't as
much as an issue as a desirable element. meaning your equipment is
set up in a way that happens to see " some " types of wind activity
and as a side effect and happens to be a handy indication that your
equipment sensitivity and settings are still " spot on " so to speak.
THESE charts show some VERY interesting " stuff " .......
take a look at those trapezoidal waves , for example. is there
some unfortunate resonance ( ringing ) in the deployment their
equipment applications ??
or is THAT evidence of something FAR more interesting ??
yaya yaahah ah a ahaa ( no trapezoidal waves exist in nature,
or do they ?? ) only their hairdresser ( engineers ) knows for sure
!
fun stuff ........ see !! I told you to make yourself some
seismic - infrasonic toys to take with you. you can even hide them
in those fiberglass rocks and come back and " dump " or retrieve
them at a later time if you want ! < wink >
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:11:46 -0700, "Lumpy"
<lumpy@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>krackula wrote:
>> ...some of the links above contain very interesting
>> information , especially when compared against the USGS station
>> equipment. the chart result of traces is quite different from USGS
>> and the equipment differences explain why. also, maps of sensor
>> placement ( usgs and the others ) are interesting to ponder as well...
>
>One of the pages mentions that the sensors around Corn Creek
>are funded by the DOE and also serve some kind of Antelope
>Habitat study.
>
>Looking at the placement of sensors, there are installations
>at Warm Springs, TTR and several other locations surrounding
>the ranges. It also seems that there are a comparitively large
>number of faults around the ranges. It would make sense for
>the DOE to study what the earth is doing before storing
>nuclear waste or blowing up a big can of oil.
>
>
>Lumpy
>
>You Played on Lawrence Welk?
>Yes but no blue notes. Just blue hairs.
>
>www.lumpyguitar.net
>
well ......... if that's the case , it's nice of them to finally think
of this stuff ...... decades after the horse is out of the barn
isn't it ! ha ha hahahah ahaah
still doncha think that , if purely quake related , that USGS
equipment is totally adequate for that application ? it easily
identifies all those mag1 surface sonic booms - explosions
on a daily basis , doesn't it ? that , and why does this equipment
display quake - shake data in frequency ranges unimportant to
USGS ? why indeed ?
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:31:35 -0700, krackula <krackula@i.am> wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:11:46 -0700, "Lumpy"
><lumpy@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>
>>krackula wrote:
>>> ...some of the links above contain very interesting
>>> information , especially when compared against the USGS station
>>> equipment. the chart result of traces is quite different from USGS
>>> and the equipment differences explain why. also, maps of sensor
>>> placement ( usgs and the others ) are interesting to ponder as well...
>>
>>One of the pages mentions that the sensors around Corn Creek
>>are funded by the DOE and also serve some kind of Antelope
>>Habitat study.
>>
>>Looking at the placement of sensors, there are installations
>>at Warm Springs, TTR and several other locations surrounding
>>the ranges. It also seems that there are a comparitively large
>>number of faults around the ranges. It would make sense for
>>the DOE to study what the earth is doing before storing
>>nuclear waste or blowing up a big can of oil.
>>
>>
>>Lumpy
>>
>>You Played on Lawrence Welk?
>>Yes but no blue notes. Just blue hairs.
>>
>>www.lumpyguitar.net
>>
>
>well ......... if that's the case , it's nice of them to finally think
>of this stuff ...... decades after the horse is out of the barn
>isn't it ! ha ha hahahah ahaah
>
>still doncha think that , if purely quake related , that USGS
>equipment is totally adequate for that application ? it easily
>identifies all those mag1 surface sonic booms - explosions
>on a daily basis , doesn't it ? that , and why does this equipment
>display quake - shake data in frequency ranges unimportant to
>USGS ? why indeed ?
herze some interesting data / event as seen on those
" so called " REV earthquake sites .....
look on the day of 2007-06-27 through 2007-06-28
first look at the chart for the event that starts on the 2 to 4 a.m.
line , starts a little about 3 a.m. but gets heavy about 3:30
can continues past 4 a.m. somewhat
first look at over on the west coast in California
this event starts right after 3 a.m. at all 3 locations .......
it's strongest ( at the start ) on the west coast with major activity
that lasts over 30 minutes , and starts to get REAL active about
3:30 in California and Nv.
it's less strong in Nv but the waves show that it's slightly later
than the California suggesting it's traveling east or radiating out
.....
it gets to Colo 15 min later but picks up amplitude as compared to
the Nv chart ( that's a VERY slow migration of that event compared
to a normal earthquake )
let alone a large 30 minute event ........ this clearly illustrates
the dramatic differences between the USGS and REV measuring
equipment and range parameters measured.
for all of us that have been looking to USGS for info .... makes you
wonder what else we have missed eh ??
( exactly why I have my own equipment and systems. I've known for
years that USGS data is missing a LOT of important stuff , plus I
want more than they provide < infrasonics , nuke, IR etc > ).
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
>>
>> still doncha think that , if purely quake related , that USGS
>> equipment is totally adequate for that application ? it easily
>> identifies all those mag1 surface sonic booms - explosions
>> on a daily basis , doesn't it ? that , and why does this equipment
>> display quake - shake data in frequency ranges unimportant to
>> USGS ? why indeed ?
>I am sure the conspiracy theorists will be able to make something of this :-
><http://www.iris.edu/USArray/EllenMaterial/usarray/array_design/array_design.html#trans_array_anchor>
hahaha haa x-actly ........ and my look at the page seemed to have
a couple of didacted jpeg frames to add to the intrigue !
often times the military applications of technology yield bonus
rewards for the civilian & scientific community as well. I think
that untold new phenomena ( among other possibilities ) exist below us
in the crust , subsurface and surface layers ( and more of course ) of
the earth. I believe they are there , thick and rich with discovery
and a bonus impact of this equipment will be the reaping of lots of
knowledge of new discoveries for everyone.
sure makes the military look a little uneasy and squirrely tho,
doesn't it ? makes you wonder what's down there that makes them want
to spend so much money to get a look at it all !!!!!! hummmmmmm .....
think if I dig a hole in my side yard, I'll end up in China ? or
maybe troglodytes , of an underground race , will pop up out of that
hole ! dunno ........... < grin >
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
On Jun 30, 9:37 am, "Lumpy" <l...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
> m...@sushi.com wrote:
> >http://www.lazygranch.com/images/tik_road/ducky.jpg
> > I suppose this is the ducky. I can't confirm the yagi points to it.
>
> Earlier in the thread you stated -
> "I don't recall a rubber duck on the 2nd unit."
>
> Now, you have a photo of it.
>
> Lumpy
>
> You were the Ken-L-Ration St Bernard?
> Yes. My dog's bigger.www.lumpyvoice.net
It is cropped from a larger photo. I didn't notice it when I was on
site. However, I did line up behind and yagi, and it didn't point to
this ducky, but rather the gap in the hills.
Re: Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface
>>
>> still doncha think that , if purely quake related , that USGS
>> equipment is totally adequate for that application ? it easily
>> identifies all those mag1 surface sonic booms - explosions
>> on a daily basis , doesn't it ? that , and why does this equipment
>> display quake - shake data in frequency ranges unimportant to
>> USGS ? why indeed ?
>I am sure the conspiracy theorists will be able to make something of this :-
><http://www.iris.edu/USArray/EllenMaterial/usarray/array_design/array_design.html#trans_array_anchor>
btw: think USArray has any military ( and DOD ) connections ?
check out the " ellen " information on some of the pages located
here .........
( ran black widow on this site )
Remote sensor using a Wild Blue internet interface 
Linear Mode