Is there a specific reason why I never see the Senao/Engenius gear never
recommended here ?
There are many questions here that the answer could be the Senao/Engenius
equipment. $170 US for an outdoor (supposedly) 400 mW POE 802.11G bridge
with an integrated antenna (8 or 16 dBi) is a one-piece solution that
doesn't involve buying a NEMA box, or expensive coax, or separate
directional antenna.
DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> hath wroth:
>Is there a specific reason why I never see the Senao/Engenius gear never
>recommended here ?
Yes. See below.
>There are many questions here that the answer could be the Senao/Engenius
>equipment. $170 US for an outdoor (supposedly) 400 mW POE 802.11G bridge
>with an integrated antenna (8 or 16 dBi) is a one-piece solution that
>doesn't involve buying a NEMA box, or expensive coax, or separate
>directional antenna.
>
>Is it THAT bad ?
The only products you see mentioned in this newsgroup are products
that do *NOT* work. Those are the ones that people are having
problems with. If you want to buy something that works, just find
something that is never mentioned. I'm sure there are people out
there using various products that have no questions, no problems, and
no complaints. It's just that we never hear from them.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in
news:e61a23hj0oo29n0o8afkuk0l88u02gbs9d@4ax.com:
> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> hath wroth:
>
>>Is there a specific reason why I never see the Senao/Engenius gear
>>never recommended here ?
>
> Yes. See below.
>
>>There are many questions here that the answer could be the
>>Senao/Engenius equipment. $170 US for an outdoor (supposedly) 400 mW
>>POE 802.11G bridge with an integrated antenna (8 or 16 dBi) is a
>>one-piece solution that doesn't involve buying a NEMA box, or
>>expensive coax, or separate directional antenna.
>>
>>Is it THAT bad ?
>
> The only products you see mentioned in this newsgroup are products
> that do *NOT* work. Those are the ones that people are having
> problems with. If you want to buy something that works, just find
> something that is never mentioned. I'm sure there are people out
> there using various products that have no questions, no problems, and
> no complaints. It's just that we never hear from them.
>
My Engenius adapter is truly awe-inspiring.
Hot receiver and transmitter. Their techs. are
here in the USA and not in the Philippines as
are those of ,say ,LinkSys..Connect even with
1 db (relative) signal..Hard to believe!!
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:20:37 -0500, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:
>Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in
>news:e61a23hj0oo29n0o8afkuk0l88u02gbs9d@4ax.com :
>
>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> hath wroth:
>>
>>>Is there a specific reason why I never see the Senao/Engenius gear
>>>never recommended here ?
>>
>> Yes. See below.
>>
>>>There are many questions here that the answer could be the
>>>Senao/Engenius equipment. $170 US for an outdoor (supposedly) 400 mW
>>>POE 802.11G bridge with an integrated antenna (8 or 16 dBi) is a
>>>one-piece solution that doesn't involve buying a NEMA box, or
>>>expensive coax, or separate directional antenna.
>>>
>>>Is it THAT bad ?
>>
>> The only products you see mentioned in this newsgroup are products
>> that do *NOT* work. Those are the ones that people are having
>> problems with. If you want to buy something that works, just find
>> something that is never mentioned. I'm sure there are people out
>> there using various products that have no questions, no problems, and
>> no complaints. It's just that we never hear from them.
>So by that logic, it's very good gear.
Possibly. If nobody asks any questions, complains, or violently
denounces the manufacturer, then it's either a workable product that
works the first time, or it's a total disaster which everyone returns
and is then too embarrassed by the experience to comment about it.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This is one of those
odd situations where either extreme yields identical user reactions.
I'll jump in and say my two Senao access points both work great, only
trouble is rather cryptic instructions and sometimes esoteric configs,
but that just makes it more challenging. Overall, good stuff.
>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> hath wroth:
>>>
>>>> Is there a specific reason why I never see the Senao/Engenius gear
>>>> never recommended here ?
Once set up properly, which as the OP stated can seem like a blind walk,
Senao/Engenius 200mw b and b/g AP/bridge radios are bulletproof and long
range.
As bulletproof as old 500mw Proxim Rangelan2 radios, in fact.
We're talking years of trouble-free, reset-free operation.
Senao/Engenius card performance is more variable, though primarily due
to the difficult to distinguish differences between desirable 200mw
cards and visually similar low power cards. Just insist on the high
power cards if you really need the range.
Airman Thunderbird wrote:
> I'll jump in and say my two Senao access points both work great, only
> trouble is rather cryptic instructions and sometimes esoteric configs,
> but that just makes it more challenging. Overall, good stuff.
>
>
>>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> hath wroth:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a specific reason why I never see the Senao/Engenius gear
>>>>> never recommended here ?
Of my most recent recollections, there was only one mention of the
Senao/Engenius gear, and that was the guy on the boat that was having
difficulties with it, but I think that was mostly his application since
he was on an achored boat being moved around by the water.
It just seems to me to be an inexpensive, simple installation no-brainer
for many of the 'can this be done ?' questions i've read here.
Regards,
DanS
News <News@Groups.com> wrote in news:46260160.4060507@Groups.com:
> Once set up properly, which as the OP stated can seem like a blind
walk,
> Senao/Engenius 200mw b and b/g AP/bridge radios are bulletproof and
long
> range.
>
> As bulletproof as old 500mw Proxim Rangelan2 radios, in fact.
>
> We're talking years of trouble-free, reset-free operation.
>
> Senao/Engenius card performance is more variable, though primarily due
> to the difficult to distinguish differences between desirable 200mw
> cards and visually similar low power cards. Just insist on the high
> power cards if you really need the range.
>
>
>
> Airman Thunderbird wrote:
>
>> I'll jump in and say my two Senao access points both work great, only
>> trouble is rather cryptic instructions and sometimes esoteric configs,
>> but that just makes it more challenging. Overall, good stuff.
>>
>>
>>>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> hath wroth:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a specific reason why I never see the Senao/Engenius gear
>>>>>> never recommended here ?
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:13:01 -0500, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in
<Xns991654332195Dthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.1 42>:
>Of my most recent recollections, there was only one mention of the
>Senao/Engenius gear, and that was the guy on the boat that was having
>difficulties with it, but I think that was mostly his application since
>he was on an achored boat being moved around by the water.
It was mostly his uninformed hacking and unwillingness to follow advice
on how to set it up; i.e., cockpit error, not the product.
>It just seems to me to be an inexpensive, simple installation no-brainer
>for many of the 'can this be done ?' questions i've read here.
Inexpensive and good, yes; simple, not necessarily, as documentation is
mediocre.
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:08:25 -0700, "jbyrd" <gator@mighty.co.za> wrote
in <4625130f_2@newsfeed.slurp.net>:
>My Engenius adapter is truly awe-inspiring.
>Hot receiver and transmitter. Their techs. are
>here in the USA and not in the Philippines as
>are those of ,say ,LinkSys..Connect even with
>1 db (relative) signal..Hard to believe!!
Indeed. Not bloody likely either. :)
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John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:psec239v7fhl4r0rtqk04vgf522u2i1vk1@4ax.com:
>>It just seems to me to be an inexpensive, simple installation no-brainer
>>for many of the 'can this be done ?' questions i've read here.
>
> Inexpensive and good, yes; simple, not necessarily, as documentation is
> mediocre.
I must admit that the documentation is not very good, and have my doubts
about support, but knowledgable people such as you and myself wouldn't have
a problem.
The simple comment was intended toward's the physical part of it and a
simple POE CAT5 run installation with no coax or separate antenna.
>
> Indeed. Not bloody likely either. :)
>
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:13:01 -0500, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:
>Of my most recent recollections, there was only one mention of the
>Senao/Engenius gear, and that was the guy on the boat that was having
>difficulties with it, but I think that was mostly his application since
>he was on an achored boat being moved around by the water.
That may have been me. I've resolved my initial issues which were
primarily due to cryptic documentation, and the gear is working fine.
I use high gain omni directional antennas on the boat so swinging at
anchor is not an issue. Under ideal conditions I've been able to
reach outdoor APs 3 to 5 miles away.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:40:43 GMT, John Navas
<spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>It was mostly his uninformed hacking and unwillingness to follow advice
>on how to set it up; i.e., cockpit error, not the product.
That was not me.
Interestingly enough, the gentleman in question took off with his wife
on their first voyage, and within two days found themselves 20 miles
off course and parked on the rocks north of the Florida Keys.
Wayne.B wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:40:43 GMT, John Navas
> <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>
>>It was mostly his uninformed hacking and unwillingness to follow advice
>>on how to set it up; i.e., cockpit error, not the product.
>
>
> That was not me.
>
> Interestingly enough, the gentleman in question took off with his wife
> on their first voyage, and within two days found themselves 20 miles
> off course and parked on the rocks north of the Florida Keys.
>
Apparently also had problems with his GPS install....
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:13:56 -0400, Wayne.B
<waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com> wrote in
<unum23l272eos8aidqu0t7pgp83vq08qtn@4ax.com>:
>On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:40:43 GMT, John Navas
><spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>It was mostly his uninformed hacking and unwillingness to follow advice
>>on how to set it up; i.e., cockpit error, not the product.
>
>That was not me.
I didn't mean to suggest it was. Sorry if it seemed that way.
>Interestingly enough, the gentleman in question took off with his wife
>on their first voyage, and within two days found themselves 20 miles
>off course and parked on the rocks north of the Florida Keys.
Sorry to hear that, although I can't say I'm terribly surprised.
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:10:20 -0400, Wayne.B
<waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com> wrote in
<e0um23h9d6571lcdod31bgfht8khck3bv6@4ax.com>:
>On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 07:13:01 -0500, DanS
><t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:
>
>>Of my most recent recollections, there was only one mention of the
>>Senao/Engenius gear, and that was the guy on the boat that was having
>>difficulties with it, but I think that was mostly his application since
>>he was on an achored boat being moved around by the water.
>
>That may have been me. ...
I think that was someone else.
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There are many applications of these cards, and other than the fact
that they are PCMCIA, which I regard a degree less stable than
miniPCI, the are good gear. I've built a lot of open source WiFi
access points with 200mW cards as the base radio.
On Apr 18, 5:41 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:08:25 -0700, "jbyrd" <g...@mighty.co.za> wrote
> in <4625130...@newsfeed.slurp.net>:
>
> >My Engenius adapter is truly awe-inspiring.
> >Hot receiver and transmitter. Their techs. are
> >here in the USA and not in the Philippines as
> >are those of ,say ,LinkSys..Connect even with
> >1 db (relative) signal..Hard to believe!!
>
> Indeed. Not bloody likely either. :)
>
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On 22 Apr 2007 16:44:07 -0700, c24 <ashant@gmail.com> wrote in
<1177285447.233484.256740@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>:
>There are many applications of these cards, and other than the fact
>that they are PCMCIA, which I regard a degree less stable than
>miniPCI, the are good gear. I've built a lot of open source WiFi
>access points with 200mW cards as the base radio.
>
>Some 2nd hand cards we don't use any more are available at:
>http://www.confero24.com/product_inf...ame=used-stuff
Why would you think PC Cards would be any less (or any more) stable than
mini PCI cards? I'd say they are pretty much dead even.
p.s. Please don't switch posting styles (top vs bottom) in mid-thread
-- it makes the thread confusing and hard to follow. Thanks.
>On Apr 18, 5:41 pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:08:25 -0700, "jbyrd" <g...@mighty.co.za> wrote
>> in <4625130...@newsfeed.slurp.net>:
>>
>> >My Engenius adapter is truly awe-inspiring.
>> >Hot receiver and transmitter. Their techs. are
>> >here in the USA and not in the Philippines as
>> >are those of ,say ,LinkSys..Connect even with
>> >1 db (relative) signal..Hard to believe!!
>>
>> Indeed. Not bloody likely either. :)
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John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:k69o231m2g0ba3ckpnq311j19ljodtqo2q@4ax.com:
> On 22 Apr 2007 16:44:07 -0700, c24 <ashant@gmail.com> wrote in
> <1177285447.233484.256740@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>:
>
>>There are many applications of these cards, and other than the fact
>>that they are PCMCIA, which I regard a degree less stable than
>>miniPCI, the are good gear. I've built a lot of open source WiFi
>>access points with 200mW cards as the base radio.
>>
>>Some 2nd hand cards we don't use any more are available at:
>>http://www.confero24.com/product_inf...0mw-pcmcia&cNa
>>me=used-stuff
I kow you didn't bring up the PC Cards, but to be clear, I was speaking of
the EOC-3220 & 3220 Plus. The outdoor ready stuff with POE.
From the searching I did do, it seemed to be driver issue's with the PC
cards that showed the most problems.
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:14:35 +0200 (CEST), DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in
<Xns991B68CD5CEA8thisnthatadelphianet@194.177.96.7 8>:
>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
>news:k69o231m2g0ba3ckpnq311j19ljodtqo2q@4ax.com :
>
>> On 22 Apr 2007 16:44:07 -0700, c24 <ashant@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <1177285447.233484.256740@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups .com>:
>>
>>>There are many applications of these cards, and other than the fact
>>>that they are PCMCIA, which I regard a degree less stable than
>>>miniPCI, the are good gear. I've built a lot of open source WiFi
>>>access points with 200mW cards as the base radio.
>>>
>>>Some 2nd hand cards we don't use any more are available at:
>>>http://www.confero24.com/product_inf...0mw-pcmcia&cNa
>>>me=used-stuff
Please be more careful about quoting and snipping -- I did not write the
things you make it seem that I did.
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John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:jqgp23t3tac69mvktj0m5jo5n9f5n4m25j@4ax.com:
>>>>There are many applications of these cards, and other than the fact
>>>>that they are PCMCIA, which I regard a degree less stable than
>>>>miniPCI, the are good gear. I've built a lot of open source WiFi
>>>>access points with 200mW cards as the base radio.
>>>>
>>>>Some 2nd hand cards we don't use any more are available at:
>>>>http://www.confero24.com/product_inf...0mw-pcmcia&cNa
>>>>me=used-stuff
>
> Please be more careful about quoting and snipping -- I did not write the
> things you make it seem that I did.
>
Yeah it was bad snipping I guess.
My first sentence did say though.....'I kow you didn't bring up the PC
Cards, but to be clear,.....' and that was supposed to be KNOW not KOW.
That's a problem with Usenet, I wanted everyone to see it. I just chose to
reply to your post since it was the last one mentioning PC cards.
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:43:40 -0500, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in
<Xns991BB517E8BAthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.14 2>:
>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
>news:jqgp23t3tac69mvktj0m5jo5n9f5n4m25j@4ax.com :
>
>>>>>There are many applications of these cards, and other than the fact
>>>>>that they are PCMCIA, which I regard a degree less stable than
>>>>>miniPCI, the are good gear. I've built a lot of open source WiFi
>>>>>access points with 200mW cards as the base radio.
>>>>>
>>>>>Some 2nd hand cards we don't use any more are available at:
>>>>>http://www.confero24.com/product_inf...0mw-pcmcia&cNa
>>>>>me=used-stuff
>>
>> Please be more careful about quoting and snipping -- I did not write the
>> things you make it seem that I did.
>
>Yeah it was bad snipping I guess.
>
>My first sentence did say though.....'I kow you didn't bring up the PC
>Cards, but to be clear,.....' and that was supposed to be KNOW not KOW.
>
>That's a problem with Usenet, I wanted everyone to see it. I just chose to
>reply to your post since it was the last one mentioning PC cards.
Better to reply to the post you mean to reply to.
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