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Old 08-16-2005, 06:39 AM
Anthony P.
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Default Starting a WISP

Hello Everyone,

A partner and I are considering launching a local WISP to serve our
small community (12 to 14k population). We both have strong networking
backgrounds but are wondering about the equipment needs of a small
WISP.

We want to start small: serve about 60-80 customer MAX and then grow
out from there. We also want to start cheap. What is the bare minimum
that we would need to do this and do it right? Can anyone recommend
equipment?

Thanks,
Anthony Papillion
Founder/Owner
Advanced Data Concepts
(918) 926-0139


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Old 08-16-2005, 11:02 AM
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/wisp
Read all this first.................



"Anthony P." <papillion@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124174348.785651.197060@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello Everyone,
>
> A partner and I are considering launching a local WISP to serve our
> small community (12 to 14k population). We both have strong networking
> backgrounds but are wondering about the equipment needs of a small
> WISP.
>
> We want to start small: serve about 60-80 customer MAX and then grow
> out from there. We also want to start cheap. What is the bare minimum
> that we would need to do this and do it right? Can anyone recommend
> equipment?
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony Papillion
> Founder/Owner
> Advanced Data Concepts
> (918) 926-0139
>




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Old 08-16-2005, 03:44 PM
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:32:55 +0930, "BruceM" <bruce@@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>http://www.dslreports.com/forum/wisp
>Read all this first.................


And subscribe to this mailing list:
> http://isp-wireless.com


Various HowTo articles on WISP:
> http://www.bbwexchange.com/howto/
> http://www.bbwexchange.com/building_...s_networks.asp


Intel Hot Spot Guide (read this for basics):
> http://www.intel.com/business/bss/in...nt/hotspot.pdf


Airwire.net experiences:
> http://engmgt.com/wwp.html


I dunno about these, but they look interesting:
> http://www.startawisp.com
> http://www.wispcentric.com


I'll retain my sanity by not listing equipment and services vendors.


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Old 08-18-2005, 02:57 AM
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Anthony P. wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> A partner and I are considering launching a local WISP to serve our
> small community (12 to 14k population). We both have strong networking
> backgrounds but are wondering about the equipment needs of a small
> WISP.
>
> We want to start small: serve about 60-80 customer MAX and then grow
> out from there. We also want to start cheap. What is the bare minimum
> that we would need to do this and do it right? Can anyone recommend
> equipment?


I wouldn't do it. I started a WISP about 2½ years ago. There were no
other choices for high speed internet in the area. Zero. Zip. Nada. That
was really my only good reason for doing it. 5 months after launch, both
cable and DSL were agressively marketing my area. Faster and faster,
cheaper and cheaper. And keep in mind, this is Dogpatch USA. Seriously,
small towns, lots of vacant farmland, very few people. And the big boys
are duking it out here. Now there is fiber in the area too. Why do you
want to start a WISP?

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Old 08-18-2005, 12:17 PM
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Rôgêr wrote:

> I wouldn't do it. I started a WISP about 2½ years ago. There were no
> other choices for high speed internet in the area. Zero. Zip. Nada. That
> was really my only good reason for doing it. 5 months after launch, both
> cable and DSL were agressively marketing my area.

....
> Why do you want to start a WISP?


To encourage the big boys to bring out cable and DSL??? In my case, I want
to start a co-op for three homes with no broadband (actually two of us have
2-way satellite - but that _really_ doesn't count). If that's enough to
convince the cable co. to extend it's range 2km I'll be happy.
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Old 08-19-2005, 06:37 AM
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> To encourage the big boys to bring out cable and DSL??? In my case, I want
> to start a co-op for three homes with no broadband (actually two of us have
> 2-way satellite - but that _really_ doesn't count). If that's enough to
> convince the cable co. to extend it's range 2km I'll be happy.


I would have thought you'd need a whole lot more customers than 3 to
entice the cable co's to consider it financially viable to run cable the
extra 2km.

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Old 08-19-2005, 07:01 AM
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David Taylor wrote:
>>To encourage the big boys to bring out cable and DSL??? In my case, I want
>>to start a co-op for three homes with no broadband (actually two of us have
>>2-way satellite - but that _really_ doesn't count). If that's enough to
>>convince the cable co. to extend it's range 2km I'll be happy.

>
>
> I would have thought you'd need a whole lot more customers than 3 to
> entice the cable co's to consider it financially viable to run cable the
> extra 2km.


Sounds like he's wanting to make a financial contribution to other
people in his area to get broadband. Tempting the cable companies and
telcos takes a bit more than a threat of "Me and my two neighbors are
going to make our own broadband."

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Old 08-19-2005, 07:17 AM
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> Sounds like he's wanting to make a financial contribution to other
> people in his area to get broadband. Tempting the cable companies and
> telcos takes a bit more than a threat of "Me and my two neighbors are
> going to make our own broadband."


Very much. We've had it extensively in the UK with the roll out of DSL.
The cable co's came to the UK and rapidly cherry picked the best
locations and then ran out of money. Digging up the roads and pavements
in the hope that people would sign up was always going to be a long
shot.

BT who are the dominant telco, delivered DSL to the highly populated
areas and then similarly ran out of enthusiasm. Then the campaigns
picked up and they switched to a registration scheme where they set a
target threshold for exchanges and asked that people visit the website
to register interest. Once that threshold had been reached, it then
went into the pop for the next stage of the feasibility process.

Initially progress was slow but once it became known what had to happen
things got much better. You can see what's going on here
http://www.adslguide.org.uk/availability/btprereg.asp

I would have thought that there's more chance of getting a telco to
provide broadband by getting a BIG list of people that are willing to
seriously commit.

It's getting more entertaining now with more companies taking part in
the local loop unbundling and offering much faster speeds than BT.

David.

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Old 08-21-2005, 01:22 PM
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David Taylor wrote:

>> To encourage the big boys to bring out cable and DSL??? In my case, I
>> want to start a co-op for three homes with no broadband (actually two of
>> us have
>> 2-way satellite - but that _really_ doesn't count). If that's enough to
>> convince the cable co. to extend it's range 2km I'll be happy.

>
> I would have thought you'd need a whole lot more customers than 3 to
> entice the cable co's to consider it financially viable to run cable the
> extra 2km.


I'm sure we will. But if we can grow a bit... If we get started with the
three homes, it will pay for itself. There should be a subdivision going
in here, soon, and if I can sign up a few of them - or just get them to
yell for cable - maybe we'll get our own cable internet. I don't _want_ to
compete with the cable co - I _have_ to.
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