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Old 07-25-2006, 12:50 PM
CarlosAntenna
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Default Third Party Firmware Linksys BEFW11S4 ?

I just acquired a Linksys BEFW11S4 ver4. Is there any third party firmware
for this like there is for the WRT54G??? I Googled but didn't find it.
Anyone have any experience with this?

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Old 07-25-2006, 01:44 PM
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:50:37 GMT, "CarlosAntenna" <nunayo@binnez.com>
wrote in <xsoxg.765$Pa.99619@news1.epix.net>:

>I just acquired a Linksys BEFW11S4 ver4. Is there any third party firmware
>for this like there is for the WRT54G??? I Googled but didn't find it.
>Anyone have any experience with this?


See supported devices for third party firmwares linked in the wikis
below.

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Old 07-25-2006, 02:22 PM
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"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:50:37 GMT, "CarlosAntenna" <nunayo@binnez.com>
> wrote in <xsoxg.765$Pa.99619@news1.epix.net>:
>
> >I just acquired a Linksys BEFW11S4 ver4. Is there any third party

firmware
> >for this like there is for the WRT54G??? I Googled but didn't find it.
> >Anyone have any experience with this?

>
> See supported devices for third party firmwares linked in the wikis
> below.


Which says nothing about the BEFW11S4 router.


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Old 07-25-2006, 02:59 PM
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:22:51 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
<wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in
<4qOdnaZh8vKgtFvZnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :

>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:pv7cc2hsifriqdnducckb3vtmr09c5so0b@4ax.com.. .
>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:50:37 GMT, "CarlosAntenna" <nunayo@binnez.com>
>> wrote in <xsoxg.765$Pa.99619@news1.epix.net>:
>>
>> >I just acquired a Linksys BEFW11S4 ver4. Is there any third party firmware
>> >for this like there is for the WRT54G??? I Googled but didn't find it.
>> >Anyone have any experience with this?

>>
>> See supported devices for third party firmwares linked in the wikis
>> below.

>
>Which says nothing about the BEFW11S4 router.


Then that's the answer.

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Old 07-25-2006, 03:34 PM
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Default Re: Third Party Firmware Linksys BEFW11S4 ?

"CarlosAntenna" <nunayo@binnez.com> hath wroth:

>I just acquired a Linksys BEFW11S4 ver4. Is there any third party firmware
>for this like there is for the WRT54G??? I Googled but didn't find it.
>Anyone have any experience with this?


No alternative firmware. See:
http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware
for a list of supported hardware. The BEFW11S4 is not among them.

Incidentally, I have a BEFW11S4v4 that tends to hang or act weird
every few days. Apparently it's a common problem and is not cureable
with firmware updates. I had to put an AC power lamp timer on the
power supply to cycle the power daily in order to keep it running.

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Old 07-25-2006, 04:21 PM
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Default Re: Third Party Firmware Linksys BEFW11S4 ?

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:22:51 -0400 Bill Kearney <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| "John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
| news:pv7cc2hsifriqdnducckb3vtmr09c5so0b@4ax.com...
|> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:50:37 GMT, "CarlosAntenna" <nunayo@binnez.com>
|> wrote in <xsoxg.765$Pa.99619@news1.epix.net>:
|>
|> >I just acquired a Linksys BEFW11S4 ver4. Is there any third party
| firmware
|> >for this like there is for the WRT54G??? I Googled but didn't find it.
|> >Anyone have any experience with this?
|>
|> See supported devices for third party firmwares linked in the wikis
|> below.
|
| Which says nothing about the BEFW11S4 router.

Which means no one who contributes to the wiki knows about such firmware.
That doesn't mean no such firmware exists, but the probability is low.
Since it is a wiki, if you ever do find such firmware exists, you can
help by adding the info. Maybe none exists today and might tomorrow.

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Old 07-25-2006, 04:47 PM
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On 25 Jul 2006 16:21:01 GMT, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote in
<ea5gdd231d2@news3.newsguy.com>:

>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:22:51 -0400 Bill Kearney <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
>|
>| "John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>| news:pv7cc2hsifriqdnducckb3vtmr09c5so0b@4ax.com...
>|> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:50:37 GMT, "CarlosAntenna" <nunayo@binnez.com>
>|> wrote in <xsoxg.765$Pa.99619@news1.epix.net>:
>|>
>|> >I just acquired a Linksys BEFW11S4 ver4. Is there any third party firmware
>|> >for this like there is for the WRT54G??? I Googled but didn't find it.
>|> >Anyone have any experience with this?
>|>
>|> See supported devices for third party firmwares linked in the wikis
>|> below.
>|
>| Which says nothing about the BEFW11S4 router.
>
>Which means no one who contributes to the wiki knows about such firmware.
>That doesn't mean no such firmware exists, but the probability is low.
>Since it is a wiki, if you ever do find such firmware exists, you can
>help by adding the info. Maybe none exists today and might tomorrow.


Only if you limit yourself to the wikis themselves, which would be
pretty silly. Follow links in the wiki to the firmware sites to see
their lists of supported devices, which are presumably authoritative.
Takes all of a few minutes.

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Old 07-25-2006, 05:52 PM
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> >Which says nothing about the BEFW11S4 router.
>
> Then that's the answer.


If you're going to direct people somewhere, at least point them toward
something that actually HAS AN ANSWER. Not just pimping your wiki, get it?


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Old 07-25-2006, 06:04 PM
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:52:34 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
<wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in
<0e2dnfnFp_r-x1vZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net>:

>> >Which says nothing about the BEFW11S4 router.

>>
>> Then that's the answer.

>
>If you're going to direct people somewhere, at least point them toward
>something that actually HAS AN ANSWER. Not just pimping your wiki, get it?


I point them in the right direction. The rest is up to them. Get it?
;)

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Old 07-25-2006, 07:35 PM
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"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
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> "CarlosAntenna" <nunayo@binnez.com> hath wroth:
>
>>I just acquired a Linksys BEFW11S4 ver4. Is there any third party
>>firmware
>>for this like there is for the WRT54G??? I Googled but didn't find it.
>>Anyone have any experience with this?

>
> No alternative firmware. See:
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware
> for a list of supported hardware. The BEFW11S4 is not among them.
>
> Incidentally, I have a BEFW11S4v4 that tends to hang or act weird
> every few days. Apparently it's a common problem and is not cureable
> with firmware updates. I had to put an AC power lamp timer on the
> power supply to cycle the power daily in order to keep it running.
>


From what I've read its more of a firmware downgrade you need, v1.50.14
being the most stable. v1.52.02 has problems with UDP and Multicast causing
it to lock up regularly.

I'm using v1.5.14 and its been fine for week now, although I must admit I'm
now only using it as a wifi access point having got pissed off it crashing.




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Old 07-25-2006, 07:37 PM
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"Paul" <ukuntu@localhost.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:i7ecc2tbfqslvghbepkiopl7ct6cp8p5bu@4ax.com...
>> "CarlosAntenna" <nunayo@binnez.com> hath wroth:
>>
>>>I just acquired a Linksys BEFW11S4 ver4. Is there any third party
>>>firmware
>>>for this like there is for the WRT54G??? I Googled but didn't find it.
>>>Anyone have any experience with this?

>>
>> No alternative firmware. See:
>> http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware
>> for a list of supported hardware. The BEFW11S4 is not among them.
>>
>> Incidentally, I have a BEFW11S4v4 that tends to hang or act weird
>> every few days. Apparently it's a common problem and is not cureable
>> with firmware updates. I had to put an AC power lamp timer on the
>> power supply to cycle the power daily in order to keep it running.
>>

>
> From what I've read its more of a firmware downgrade you need, v1.50.14
> being the most stable. v1.52.02 has problems with UDP and Multicast
> causing it to lock up regularly.
>
> I'm using v1.5.14 and its been fine for week now, although I must admit
> I'm now only using it as a wifi access point having got pissed off it
> crashing.
>
>

* weekS.




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Old 07-26-2006, 12:36 AM
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"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:52:34 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
> <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in
> <0e2dnfnFp_r-x1vZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net>:
>
> >> >Which says nothing about the BEFW11S4 router.
> >>
> >> Then that's the answer.

> >
> >If you're going to direct people somewhere, at least point them toward
> >something that actually HAS AN ANSWER. Not just pimping your wiki, get

it?
>
> I point them in the right direction. The rest is up to them. Get it?


Except it isn't the right direction. While it's certainly laudable you've
put the effort into cobbling together a wiki it's useless to keep pointing
people to it when they're looking for answers THAT AREN'T IN IT.


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Old 07-26-2006, 12:40 AM
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:36:33 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
<wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in
<JLSdnYOAJ8qPJFvZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :

>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:17ncc291oh00dd8rgqg2r458hs3fbtikb5@4ax.com.. .
>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:52:34 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
>> <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> <0e2dnfnFp_r-x1vZnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d@speakeasy.net>:
>>
>> >> >Which says nothing about the BEFW11S4 router.
>> >>
>> >> Then that's the answer.
>> >
>> >If you're going to direct people somewhere, at least point them toward
>> >something that actually HAS AN ANSWER. Not just pimping your wiki, get it?

>>
>> I point them in the right direction. The rest is up to them. Get it?

>
>Except it isn't the right direction.


I think it is.

>While it's certainly laudable you've
>put the effort into cobbling together a wiki it's useless to keep pointing
>people to it when they're looking for answers THAT AREN'T IN IT.


They are.

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Old 07-26-2006, 04:55 AM
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"Paul" <ukuntu@localhost.com> hath wroth:

>From what I've read its more of a firmware downgrade you need, v1.50.14
>being the most stable. v1.52.02 has problems with UDP and Multicast causing
>it to lock up regularly.


I've had my BEFW11S4v4 for about 2 years. I've gone through perhaps 3
firmware updates. All of them do the same thing. However, you're
correct that 1.52.02 is clobbered by streaming audio and video. It
doesn't take much. About 3-5 minutes of screaming video and it's
hung.

>I'm using v1.5.14 and its been fine for week now, although I must admit I'm
>now only using it as a wifi access point having got pissed off it crashing.


The wireless is fine. It's the router section that crap. If you just
use it as an access point, you're probably safe.

Here's a fun router exploit test.
http://www.pcflank.com/exploits.htm
My BEFW11S4 v4 hangs on two of the test.

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Old 07-26-2006, 11:44 AM
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John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>"Bill Kearney"<wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote
>>While it's certainly laudable you've
>>put the effort into cobbling together a wiki it's useless to keep pointing
>>people to it when they're looking for answers THAT AREN'T IN IT.

>
>They are.


Well, we can keep on with the Rinse Lather Repeat of "Yes it is" and
"No it's isn't" thru the end of time (this is Usenet!), but that's not
very productive.

Maybe John could start pointing people deeper into the Wiki "Here's a
pointer to the page on which your question is answered" rather than
"If it's not in my Wiki it doesn't exist".

The absence of an answer to the OP's question doesn't count as an
answer. [Yeah, I know, "Yes it does"... Sigh]

The correct answer in this case would be "There don't seem to be any
alternative firmwares for that router, and it's so old and (hardware?)
buggy that it's probably worth junking it and getting a WRT54GL, for
which many fine alternate firmwares _are_ available."

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Old 07-26-2006, 01:51 PM
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:47:50 -0400, William P.N. Smith
<news2006c@compusmiths.com> wrote in
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>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>See supported devices for third party firmwares linked in the wikis
>>below.

>
>Your [Google] search - site:Wireless.wikia.com befw11s4 - did not
>match any documents.


True. It's easy to create searches that fail. That's why I directed
the OP to the specific relevant section and the links it contains.

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Old 07-26-2006, 01:58 PM
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:44:51 -0400, William P.N. Smith
<news2006c@compusmiths.com> wrote in
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>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>"Bill Kearney"<wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>While it's certainly laudable you've
>>>put the effort into cobbling together a wiki it's useless to keep pointing
>>>people to it when they're looking for answers THAT AREN'T IN IT.

>>
>>They are.

>
>Well, we can keep on with the Rinse Lather Repeat of "Yes it is" and
>"No it's isn't" thru the end of time (this is Usenet!), but that's not
>very productive.


True -- the real issue is the waste of resources on this off-topic
metadiscussion. Bill and you could have been constructive in a number
of ways, but instead he and you just made rude and unhelpful accusations
that are only true in a narrow literal sense. While the wiki doesn't
have a literal direct answer to the original question (now lost in all
the off-topic metadiscussion), it does have a directly relevant section
<http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#3rd-party_Firmware> with links to
sites where authoritative answers can be found. That's arguably better
than non-authoritative information that could easily get out of date
(probably leading to different criticisms), the whole point of external
links on which the World Wide Web is based.

>Maybe John could start pointing people deeper into the Wiki "Here's a
>pointer to the page on which your question is answered"


Maybe Bill and/or you could start contributing material you think
belongs in the wiki instead of just being critical. The section on
3rd-party Firmware, for example, would undoubtedly benefit from some
expansion.

>rather than
>"If it's not in my Wiki it doesn't exist".


I neither said not implied anything of the kind.

>The absence of an answer to the OP's question doesn't count as an
>answer. [Yeah, I know, "Yes it does"... Sigh]


My answer pointed to the relevant section of the wiki, which has links
to the desired information, plus a wealth of other information that
might also be helpful. I think it makes more sense to give a man seeds
to plant than seeds to eat. I also think it makes more sense to invest
my time in the wiki, and refer people to it, than in endlessly repeated
answers that aren't as likely to be effective. Apparently you disagree,
and I respect that. Why don't you afford me the same respect?

>The correct answer in this case


There's no one correct answer or way to do something. Reasonable people
can and do disagree.

>would be "There don't seem to be any
>alternative firmwares for that router, and it's so old and (hardware?)
>buggy that it's probably worth junking it and getting a WRT54GL, for
>which many fine alternate firmwares _are_ available."


You could of course have done that yourself, rather than just taking a
shot at me, which wasn't at all helpful to the OP. Or even added
whatever content to the wiki you think it needs and lacks. That's the
whole point of a wiki -- anyone and everyone can get involved.

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Old 07-26-2006, 11:43 PM
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> The wireless is fine. It's the router section that crap. If you just
> use it as an access point, you're probably safe.


Well, yeah, if all you want is an 802.11b (11mb) connection. But given how
cheaply one can get 802.11g and now even pre-NB it seems kinda pointless to
bother putting up with the BEFW11S4 and it's nonsense. This from a guy with
exactly one of these units gathering dust on the workbench...


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Old 07-26-2006, 11:47 PM
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> True -- the real issue is the waste of resources on this off-topic
> metadiscussion. Bill and you could have been constructive in a number
> of ways, but instead he and you just made rude and unhelpful accusations
> that are only true in a narrow literal sense.


Oh there you go, just because someone gets tired of seeing your content-free
posts, and calls you on it, they're the rude ones? And you wonder why
people call you out?

> Maybe Bill and/or you could start contributing material you think
> belongs in the wiki instead of just being critical.


What and help carry your sorry-*** along? No thanks.

> Why don't you afford me the same respect?


Oh that's rich, given your pathetic behavior in other newsgroups you
shouldn't be surprised.


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Old 07-26-2006, 11:47 PM
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> The correct answer in this case would be "There don't seem to be any
> alternative firmwares for that router, and it's so old and (hardware?)
> buggy that it's probably worth junking it and getting a WRT54GL, for
> which many fine alternate firmwares _are_ available."


Exactly my point. Why post a link to the wiki when it doesn't have an
answer? For no reason other than to flog the wiki?


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Old 07-27-2006, 12:34 PM
William P.N. Smith
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John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:

><http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#3rd-party_Firmware>


Well, there you go, an appropriate pointer. Some verbiage along the
lines of "Never heard of what you're looking for, but <URL> might be a
good place to start" would have been helpful.

>>rather than
>>"If it's not in my Wiki it doesn't exist".

>
>I neither said not implied anything of the kind.


Umm, from where I sit, you answered the question with a "here's a
pointer to the Wiki, which doesn't have any direct answers to your
question, but might have some indirect pointers if you bother to poke
around long enough."

>My answer pointed to the relevant section of the wiki


What are you talking about? Your answer was your standard .sig, which
is reproduced below:

/*
Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://Wireless.wikia.com>
John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
*/

Which of those URLs directly answers the OP's question? IMHO,
pointing him at Google would have been more useful, though he said he
had already tried that, so some directed search terms would have been
most appropriate.

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Old 07-27-2006, 02:33 PM
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:34:55 -0400, William P.N. Smith
<news2006c@compusmiths.com> wrote in
<83chc2tjeio6b8u7dh32f1325au5n46li4@4ax.com>:

>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>><http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#3rd-party_Firmware>

>
>Well, there you go, an appropriate pointer.


Likewise in my original response.

>Some verbiage along the
>lines of "Never heard of what you're looking for, but <URL> might be a
>good place to start" would have been helpful.


I don't think that would have been any more helpful.

>>>rather than
>>>"If it's not in my Wiki it doesn't exist".

>>
>>I neither said not implied anything of the kind.

>
>Umm, from where I sit, you answered the question with a "here's a
>pointer to the Wiki, which doesn't have any direct answers to your
>question, but might have some indirect pointers if you bother to poke
>around long enough."


It's quite different from where I sit.

>>My answer pointed to the relevant section of the wiki

>
>What are you talking about? Your answer was your standard .sig, which
>is reproduced below:


My answer actually was:

See supported devices for THIRD PARTY FIRMWARES linked in the wikis
below. [emphasis added]

Crisp and clear. Topic (emphasized for your benefit) easily found in
the Contents. Seems to have satisfied the OP. Case closed.

Next time try being a bit more constructive. If you're got a better
answer, or if you think the wiki would benefit from some improvement,
then roll up your sleeves and jump right in. Do something truly useful
instead of just taking cheap pot shots at those trying to help.

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Old 07-27-2006, 06:35 PM
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> Umm, from where I sit, you answered the question with a "here's a
> pointer to the Wiki, which doesn't have any direct answers to your
> question, but might have some indirect pointers if you bother to poke
> around long enough."


Yep. For pity's sake, at least point them to the search box and let them
know to look it up themselves instead of just dumping them to your
boilerplate URLs.

> Which of those URLs directly answers the OP's question? IMHO,
> pointing him at Google would have been more useful, though he said he
> had already tried that, so some directed search terms would have been
> most appropriate.


Indeed.


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Old 07-27-2006, 07:00 PM
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:35:16 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
<wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in
<N96dnRI2x_35mlTZnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :

>> Umm, from where I sit, you answered the question with a "here's a
>> pointer to the Wiki, which doesn't have any direct answers to your
>> question, but might have some indirect pointers if you bother to poke
>> around long enough."

>
>Yep. For pity's sake, at least point them to the search box and let them
>know to look it up themselves instead of just dumping them to your
>boilerplate URLs.
>
>> Which of those URLs directly answers the OP's question? IMHO,
>> pointing him at Google would have been more useful, though he said he
>> had already tried that, so some directed search terms would have been
>> most appropriate.

>
>Indeed.


Yet another helpful post. Not. Surely you have better things to do
with your time than to presume to criticize others that are only trying
to help.

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Old 07-29-2006, 12:19 PM
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> Yet another helpful post. Not. Surely you have better things to do
> with your time than to presume to criticize others that are only trying
> to help.


Well in that same vein, why post a blind link to a wiki that doesn't
actually contain the info? And if you're utterly compelled to post an
answer then why not plainly say the wiki doesn't contain the answer but
might point to links that do? Otherwise it's just shilling for the wiki and
that gets rather tiresome.


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Old 07-30-2006, 06:43 PM
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 08:19:55 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
<wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in
<54idnXWiBazyz1bZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@speakeasy.net> :

>> Yet another helpful post. Not. Surely you have better things to do
>> with your time than to presume to criticize others that are only trying
>> to help.

>
>Well in that same vein, why post a blind link to a wiki that doesn't
>actually contain the info? [snip usual nastiness]


For the last time: Because it does point to the best answer, and has a
wealth of other information that might well be helpful.

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