usb adapters

am currently using a netgear WG111v2 to connect to a "G" wifi.

experience frequent connect/reconnect.
sometimes it runs for days.
other times it connect/disconnects on 30 second or so cycle for several hours.

am at or slightly over max distance from tower but usually have 3 or 4 power bars and direct line of sight.

would there be any advantage to switching to a "N" adapter.
considering a linksys "N" with 64 bit drivers.

mikeyhsd@lamparty.net

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:53:37 -0500, "mikeyhsd" <mikeyhsd@lamparty.net>
wrote:

>am currently using a netgear WG111v2 to connect to a "G" wifi.
>
>experience frequent connect/reconnect.
>sometimes it runs for days.
>other times it connect/disconnects on 30 second or so cycle for several hours.
>
>am at or slightly over max distance from tower but usually have 3 or 4 power bars and direct line of sight.
>
>would there be any advantage to switching to a "N" adapter.
>considering a linksys "N" with 64 bit drivers.
>
>mikeyhsd@lamparty.net

N is speed, up to 270 or even 300 mbps ut it needa an N router as well
as adapter.

Netgear's routers with stronger signals are called Rangemax.

So unless you get an N router there is nothing to be gained using an N
adapter.

I had a bad experience with a Linksys N express card that would not
stay up at all. When I replaced it with a D-Link I got reliable,
consistent 300 mbps anywhere in the house.

On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:26:54 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:

>Netgear's routers with stronger signals are called Rangemax.

Nope. Rangemax is simply Netgears trademark for 802.11n devices. It's
kinda misleading because the radio xmit powers and receive
sensitivities are roughly the same as a generic 802.11g device.
802.11n is also NOT about range. It's about speed. However, there
will be a slight improvement in range due to a mixture of improved
semiconductor technology, and the greater immunity to reflections and
multipath offered by spatial diversity.

>So unless you get an N router there is nothing to be gained using an N
>adapter.

True. It also helps to have the right kind of router and adapter.
That's not easy as 802.11n routers offer a mix of features (and
standards compliance). For example, a pure beamforming router, such
as the Rangemax (Ruckus) WPN824, will work with any client radio, with
or without 802.11n. That's because there's no spatial multiplexing
involved and only one stream. According to the spec, it's still
802.11n, but it's not MIMO. I don't wanna get into all the
combinations of MIMO that are available (because the phone is
ringing).

>I had a bad experience with a Linksys N express card that would not
>stay up at all. When I replaced it with a D-Link I got reliable,
>consistent 300 mbps anywhere in the house.

Convince me. Fire up iperf or jperf on a local computer and on your
laptop. Run a long benchmark and see what thruput you get while
wandering around the house. Methinks you'll be surprised (and
disgusted).

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

problem I am having is finding an adapter that has 64 bit drivers.
my netgear is about the only one they have.

linksys has several.
my provider is "G".

was just wondering if maybe the "N" adapter might provide a better connection.

mikeyhsd@lamparty.net



"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message news:d3ss955bs02b1pmvjgbsu0gr7n1ra92ft1@4ax.com...
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:53:37 -0500, "mikeyhsd" <mikeyhsd@lamparty.net>
wrote:

>am currently using a netgear WG111v2 to connect to a "G" wifi.
>
>experience frequent connect/reconnect.
>sometimes it runs for days.
>other times it connect/disconnects on 30 second or so cycle for several hours.
>
>am at or slightly over max distance from tower but usually have 3 or 4 power bars and direct line of sight.
>
>would there be any advantage to switching to a "N" adapter.
>considering a linksys "N" with 64 bit drivers.
>
>mikeyhsd@lamparty.net

N is speed, up to 270 or even 300 mbps ut it needa an N router as well
as adapter.

Netgear's routers with stronger signals are called Rangemax.

So unless you get an N router there is nothing to be gained using an N
adapter.

I had a bad experience with a Linksys N express card that would not
stay up at all. When I replaced it with a D-Link I got reliable,
consistent 300 mbps anywhere in the house.

I do understand that matching the router and adapter will give the best results.

was hoping using the "N" with the "G" router might give better connects.

mikeyhsd@lamparty.net



"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message news:p67t95tto6ttrmhrmjmetdrncs6t8nh9d4@4ax.com...
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:26:54 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:

>Netgear's routers with stronger signals are called Rangemax.

Nope. Rangemax is simply Netgears trademark for 802.11n devices. It's
kinda misleading because the radio xmit powers and receive
sensitivities are roughly the same as a generic 802.11g device.
802.11n is also NOT about range. It's about speed. However, there
will be a slight improvement in range due to a mixture of improved
semiconductor technology, and the greater immunity to reflections and
multipath offered by spatial diversity.

>So unless you get an N router there is nothing to be gained using an N
>adapter.

True. It also helps to have the right kind of router and adapter.
That's not easy as 802.11n routers offer a mix of features (and
standards compliance). For example, a pure beamforming router, such
as the Rangemax (Ruckus) WPN824, will work with any client radio, with
or without 802.11n. That's because there's no spatial multiplexing
involved and only one stream. According to the spec, it's still
802.11n, but it's not MIMO. I don't wanna get into all the
combinations of MIMO that are available (because the phone is
ringing).

>I had a bad experience with a Linksys N express card that would not
>stay up at all. When I replaced it with a D-Link I got reliable,
>consistent 300 mbps anywhere in the house.

Convince me. Fire up iperf or jperf on a local computer and on your
laptop. Run a long benchmark and see what thruput you get while
wandering around the house. Methinks you'll be surprised (and
disgusted).

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:42:14 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:26:54 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
><calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>Netgear's routers with stronger signals are called Rangemax.
>
>Nope. Rangemax is simply Netgears trademark for 802.11n devices. It's
>kinda misleading because the radio xmit powers and receive
>sensitivities are roughly the same as a generic 802.11g device.
>802.11n is also NOT about range. It's about speed. However, there
>will be a slight improvement in range due to a mixture of improved
>semiconductor technology, and the greater immunity to reflections and
>multipath offered by spatial diversity.

No. They call N "Next". Rangemax are the ones they claim have a longer
range.

I certainly get better reception the other end of the house with it.

>>So unless you get an N router there is nothing to be gained using an N
>>adapter.
>
>True. It also helps to have the right kind of router and adapter.
>That's not easy as 802.11n routers offer a mix of features (and
>standards compliance). For example, a pure beamforming router, such
>as the Rangemax (Ruckus) WPN824, will work with any client radio, with
>or without 802.11n. That's because there's no spatial multiplexing
>involved and only one stream. According to the spec, it's still
>802.11n, but it's not MIMO. I don't wanna get into all the
>combinations of MIMO that are available (because the phone is
>ringing).
>
>>I had a bad experience with a Linksys N express card that would not
>>stay up at all. When I replaced it with a D-Link I got reliable,
>>consistent 300 mbps anywhere in the house.
>
>Convince me. Fire up iperf or jperf on a local computer and on your
>laptop. Run a long benchmark and see what thruput you get while
>wandering around the house. Methinks you'll be surprised (and
>disgusted).

I get this from the performance monitor. Large file transfers to and
from networked storage are also faster.

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:00:20 -0500, "mikeyhsd" <mikeyhsd@lamparty.net>
wrote:

>I do understand that matching the router and adapter will give the best results.
>was hoping using the "N" with the "G" router might give better connects.

Nope. Lacking an 802.11n router with which to connect, the typical
802.11g wireless client will simply revert back to 802.11g mode.

If "better connect" implies that you're getting disconnected from the
wireless router, you might consider the possibility of interference
from neighboring systems, excessive reflections, or insufficient
signal. For such "reliability" issues, relocating the router, trying
different channels (1, 6, and 11), or a better antenna, might improve
things.


--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:06:40 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:

>No. They call N "Next". Rangemax are the ones they claim have a longer
>range.

Oops. You're correct. Netgear does have some 802.11g products with
the Rangemax name:
<http://www.netgear.com/Products/RoutersandGateways/RangeMaxWirelessGRoutersandGateways.aspx>
"RangeMax Wireless-G is 10x more speed and 10x more coverage
than Wireless-G."

It's interesting to note that the WPN824 is one of these routers.
<http://www.netgear.com/Products/RoutersandGateways/RangeMaxWirelessGRoutersandGateways/WPN824.aspx>
Internally, it's a beamforming antenna system, that puts the antenna
gain in the direction of connected clients, and inserts nulls in the
direction of reflections and interference. What I find amusing is
that photograph of the unit in the "tower" position. There's no way
the beamforming will work in this position. The antenna has to be
horizontal and flat on the table.
<http://www.ruckuswireless.com/technology/beamflex>
Sheesh. Even their chipset vendor only claims:
# Over 3X increase in performance and range
# 8X expanded coverage

Of course, not all versions of the WPN824 are the same;
<http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/30436/100/>



--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"mikeyhsd" <mikeyhsd@lamparty.net> wrote in message news:QtydnU3QEsd79wPXnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
am currently using a netgear WG111v2 to connect to a "G" wifi.

experience frequent connect/reconnect.
sometimes it runs for days.
other times it connect/disconnects on 30 second or so cycle for several hours.

am at or slightly over max distance from tower but usually have 3 or 4 power bars and direct line of sight.

would there be any advantage to switching to a "N" adapter.
considering a linksys "N" with 64 bit drivers.

mikeyhsd@lamparty.net

I had trouble with the WG111 but for me it would be up and down like a whores drawers until after about 15minutes after starting.... after that it stayed up all the time.