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Old 06-14-2007, 04:47 AM
Ian
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Default VPN Drops every 9 minutes

I have a client that lives in a rural area and connects to a wireless ISP,
when she connects to the office via pptp vpn she gets disconnected every 9
minutes, give or take 30 seconds.

ISP uses Tranzeo radios. In her house she uses a wireless laptop connected
to a wrt54gl running dd-wrt 23 sp2.

Her office is running server 2003 for remote access behind a sonicwall
tz170.

To see if the problem was her laptop I tried using the dd-wrt pptp client to
connect and left it run overnight. Server logs show drops approx every 9
minutes. I then tried using the dd-wrt client to connect to a different
server at my office. Same thing the vpn drops every 9 minutes.

Something is kicking her off, the only thing I can think of is a weather
radar station located a few miles away. Could this be the culprit? Anyone
have any ideas as to what else could be causing this?

Ian



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Old 06-14-2007, 09:32 AM
Jeff Liebermann
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Default Re: VPN Drops every 9 minutes

"Ian" <ian_agerskov@hotmail.com> hath wroth:

>I have a client that lives in a rural area and connects to a wireless ISP,
>when she connects to the office via pptp vpn she gets disconnected every 9
>minutes, give or take 30 seconds.
>
>ISP uses Tranzeo radios. In her house she uses a wireless laptop connected
>to a wrt54gl running dd-wrt 23 sp2.
>
>Her office is running server 2003 for remote access behind a sonicwall
>tz170.


Is the PPTP server terminated in the Sonicwall or in the Windoze 2003
server?

>To see if the problem was her laptop I tried using the dd-wrt pptp client to
>connect and left it run overnight. Server logs show drops approx every 9
>minutes. I then tried using the dd-wrt client to connect to a different
>server at my office. Same thing the vpn drops every 9 minutes.
>
>Something is kicking her off, the only thing I can think of is a weather
>radar station located a few miles away. Could this be the culprit? Anyone
>have any ideas as to what else could be causing this?


Not enough info to make a conclusive guess. It could be literally any
source of RF. See list of probable culprits at:
<http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Interference>
Offhand, I don't see anything on the list with a 9 minute cycle time.

I use the PPTP client and server in DD-WRT v23 SP2 and SP3 without any
dropouts, so that's not it. There is the "scheduled reboot" feature,
which may have accidentally been setup. See:
<http://www.informatione.gmxhome.de/DDWRT/Standard/V23final/Alive.html>
That's probably not the problem, but might be worth checking.

If the VPN is terminated in the Windoze 2003 server, look in the
"Event Viewer" for clues as to which end initiated the disconnects and
what was happening when it disconnected.

Also monitor connectivity during the critical 9 minute period. A
simple ping running every 5 seconds should be sufficient. If the
pings disappear at the same time as the VPN goes down, you've lost the
RF link, probably due to RF intererence. If the pings continue
normally when the VPN goes down, then it's something in either the
PPTP client, server, or Sonicwall router.

Don't ignore the in between boxes. I had an allegedly working router
drive me nuts by silently rebooting every 2 hours. No evidence of a
reboot in syslog. I eventually noticed that the uptime was unusually
low, which pointed to the reboots.

If it points to an RF problem, you'll probably need to buy or borrow
some form of RF spectrum analyzer. Check with the local hams or try
Wi-Spy at:
<http://www.metageek.net>
Ouch. $400. I paid $100 when it first was introduced.

Well, this one is $100 for the "lite" version, but I don't know
anything about it.
<http://www.nutsaboutnets.com/performance-wifi/products/product-airsleuthlite-wifi-spectrum-analyzer.htm>

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Old 06-15-2007, 04:43 AM
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Default Re: VPN Drops every 9 minutes


"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:ik02739jnc9dms0beulkn7j6bmlo3pcp67@4ax.com...
> "Ian" <ian_agerskov@hotmail.com> hath wroth:
>
>>I have a client that lives in a rural area and connects to a wireless ISP,
>>when she connects to the office via pptp vpn she gets disconnected every 9
>>minutes, give or take 30 seconds.
>>
>>ISP uses Tranzeo radios. In her house she uses a wireless laptop connected
>>to a wrt54gl running dd-wrt 23 sp2.
>>
>>Her office is running server 2003 for remote access behind a sonicwall
>>tz170.

>
> Is the PPTP server terminated in the Sonicwall or in the Windoze 2003
> server?


PPTP terminates in the server

>>To see if the problem was her laptop I tried using the dd-wrt pptp client
>>to
>>connect and left it run overnight. Server logs show drops approx every 9
>>minutes. I then tried using the dd-wrt client to connect to a different
>>server at my office. Same thing the vpn drops every 9 minutes.
>>
>>Something is kicking her off, the only thing I can think of is a weather
>>radar station located a few miles away. Could this be the culprit? Anyone
>>have any ideas as to what else could be causing this?

>
> Not enough info to make a conclusive guess. It could be literally any
> source of RF. See list of probable culprits at:
> <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Interference>
> Offhand, I don't see anything on the list with a 9 minute cycle time.
>
> I use the PPTP client and server in DD-WRT v23 SP2 and SP3 without any
> dropouts, so that's not it. There is the "scheduled reboot" feature,
> which may have accidentally been setup. See:
> <http://www.informatione.gmxhome.de/DDWRT/Standard/V23final/Alive.html>
> That's probably not the problem, but might be worth checking.


I checked, the keep alive is disabled

>
> If the VPN is terminated in the Windoze 2003 server, look in the
> "Event Viewer" for clues as to which end initiated the disconnects and
> what was happening when it disconnected.


Event viewer most of the time says "the reason for disconnecting was
administrative settings or explicit request" but some times says "user
request". Google doesn't help much with the first one.

> Also monitor connectivity during the critical 9 minute period. A
> simple ping running every 5 seconds should be sufficient. If the
> pings disappear at the same time as the VPN goes down, you've lost the
> RF link, probably due to RF intererence. If the pings continue
> normally when the VPN goes down, then it's something in either the
> PPTP client, server, or Sonicwall router.


Good idea, the pings continue when connectivity drops.

> Don't ignore the in between boxes. I had an allegedly working router
> drive me nuts by silently rebooting every 2 hours. No evidence of a
> reboot in syslog. I eventually noticed that the uptime was unusually
> low, which pointed to the reboots.


Since the same thing happens on two diffferent Windows servers in two
different locations only one behind a sonicwall I'll concentrate on the
client end, bypass router, change router etc. She is the only user this
happens to on both servers.

One other thing I forgot to mention I tried forwarding terminal services
ports and had her remote desktop to a system directly without VPN, she said
it was no better.

Thanks alot for the help Jeff, looks like I'm straying away from wireless
but will post if I resolve the issue.

Ian




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Old 06-15-2007, 05:53 AM
Jeff Liebermann
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Default Re: VPN Drops every 9 minutes

"Ian" <ian_agerskov@hotmail.com> hath wroth:

>Event viewer most of the time says "the reason for disconnecting was
>administrative settings or explicit request" but some times says "user
>request". Google doesn't help much with the first one.


Also, check the Event Viewer on the client computah. It might have
additional clues. The "user request" disconnect means that it was
initiated from the client end. However, you get the same message if
you just pull the plug on the ethernet cable, so that doesn't help. I
couldn't find anything sane for the "administrative settings" message.
It might be something in the Group Policy Management application, if
it's being used. Hard to tell from here.

>> Also monitor connectivity during the critical 9 minute period. A
>> simple ping running every 5 seconds should be sufficient. If the
>> pings disappear at the same time as the VPN goes down, you've lost the
>> RF link, probably due to RF intererence. If the pings continue
>> normally when the VPN goes down, then it's something in either the
>> PPTP client, server, or Sonicwall router.

>
>Good idea, the pings continue when connectivity drops.


Good. That eliminates a large number of probable culprits. It's not
connectivity, wireless, the Sonicwall, or a loose cable. It's down to
either the PPTP server or the client.

>Since the same thing happens on two diffferent Windows servers in two
>different locations only one behind a sonicwall I'll concentrate on the
>client end, bypass router, change router etc. She is the only user this
>happens to on both servers.


If the servers are replicating each others security database (i.e.
Backup Domain Controller), then they can be expected to act
identically. I found a problem with a Windoze 2003 server today that
might be relevent. The server would fill up the disk write cache with
a huge amount of data to be written to disk. When it hit some
threshold, it would flush the cache all at once, during which time,
everything would come to a grinding halt. I noticed that I was
getting disconnect/reconnect messages from the remote VPN connections.
I haven't really solved the problem yet, so I don't have a suitable
fix.

>One other thing I forgot to mention I tried forwarding terminal services
>ports and had her remote desktop to a system directly without VPN, she said
>it was no better.


Well, that eliminates the two servers, leaving only the client
computer. It still might be something exotic, but my guess is that
the client is getting busied out by something, and causing disconnects
due to timeouts.

>Thanks alot for the help Jeff, looks like I'm straying away from wireless
>but will post if I resolve the issue.


OK. Good luck.

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Old 10-08-2010, 02:07 PM
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I hope you have this fixed by now.
But in case you haven't, or anyone else stumbles on this...
The answer is right on the 'ddwrt PPTP Server Config' wiki page,
under troubleshooting disconnects.
Basically, you need to set your ddwrt router to handle the PPPoE instead of the modem.



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