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Old 08-24-2007, 08:21 PM
Lily
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Default Is WAP2 the same as WAP-PSK ???

I have a dell with WAP-PSK that I can't get to validate identity
on a WAP2 protected wireless network.

Thanks!!!



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Old 08-24-2007, 08:31 PM
Lily
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Default Re: Is WAP2 the same as WAP-PSK ???

I perhaps should have also said both are set with AES encryption.


>I have a dell with WAP-PSK that I can't get to validate identity
> on a WAP2 protected wireless network.




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Old 08-25-2007, 01:20 AM
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Default Re: Is WAP2 the same as WAP-PSK ???

On 24 Aug, 21:31, "Lily" <l3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I perhaps should have also said both are set with AES encryption.
>
>
>
> >I have a dell with WAP-PSK that I can't get to validate identity
> > on a WAP2 protected wireless network.- Hide quoted text -

>



No.

WPA != WPA2



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Old 08-25-2007, 02:06 AM
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<Bod43@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> No.
>
> WPA != WPA2



I definitely understand "No", but I don't understand what
the "!" stands for. Thanks for your answer. Do you know
of a link that spells out the difference between WAP2 and
WAP-PSK?



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Old 08-25-2007, 02:14 AM
Jeff Liebermann
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Default Re: Is WAP2 the same as WAP-PSK ???

"Lily" <l3456@yahoo.com> hath wroth:

>I have a dell with WAP-PSK that I can't get to validate identity
>on a WAP2 protected wireless network.


The reason you may not be finding anything is that you have two
characters transposed in the acronym. It's WPA, not WAP.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access>

WPA2 is not the same same WPA-PSK. The encryption methods are
different (TKIP for WPA and AES for WPA2). The authentication methods
are also different (Michael for WPA and MIC for WPA2).

If you need help with some kind of wireless problem, it might be
useful if you would describe what hardware and software you're using,
what you are trying to accomplish, and what error messages you are
getting.

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Old 08-25-2007, 02:28 AM
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Default Re: Is WAP2 the same as WAP-PSK ???


"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:ku3vc3dvn94768n76gma7g1semmt7qdsqt@4ax.com...
> "Lily" <l3456@yahoo.com> hath wroth:
>
>>I have a dell with WAP-PSK that I can't get to validate identity
>>on a WAP2 protected wireless network.

>
> The reason you may not be finding anything is that you have two
> characters transposed in the acronym. It's WPA, not WAP.


You know, I am confused about the acronym. I see it as WAP in
lots of places and WPA in others. Why is that?? I may be mistaken,
(and I am not at the same location as the laptop right now), but I would
have sworn, that it said WAP. But like I say, I could be wrong.

>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access>
>
> WPA2 is not the same same WPA-PSK. The encryption methods are
> different (TKIP for WPA and AES for WPA2). The authentication methods
> are also different (Michael for WPA and MIC for WPA2).



I thought WAP2 (or WPA2) came in either AES or TKIP. Is that incorrect?
Not that it is important to my question.


>
> If you need help with some kind of wireless problem, it might be
> useful if you would describe what hardware and software you're using,
> what you are trying to accomplish, and what error messages you are
> getting.


It is both a wired and wireless network at the home of a friend. The
husband
set it up as WAP2 - AES (or WPA2 - AES). One of the laptops can't connect.
It is a Dell Inspiron 700m. IT has a choice of WEP, or WAP-PSK, or WAP-TKIP
(I think - I'm not there but those are the notes I made). I set it on
WAP-PSK with
AES and it won't connect. Naturally, I put in the passphrase, but still no
connection.



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Old 08-25-2007, 02:40 AM
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"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:ku3vc3dvn94768n76gma7g1semmt7qdsqt@4ax.com...
> "Lily" <l3456@yahoo.com> hath wroth:
>
>>I have a dell with WAP-PSK that I can't get to validate identity
>>on a WAP2 protected wireless network.

>
> The reason you may not be finding anything is that you have two
> characters transposed in the acronym. It's WPA, not WAP.


Thanks Jeff, I guess I am too tired today. It is WPA2 (not WAP2).
The router is set for WPA2 and AES. But the Dell Inspiron 700m does
not have a WPA2 option. It only has WPA-PSK. Is that what I can't
connect??



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Old 08-25-2007, 03:15 AM
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Default Re: Is WAP2 the same as WAP-PSK ???

On 2007-08-25, Lily intrigued me by typing:
>
> "Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
> news:ku3vc3dvn94768n76gma7g1semmt7qdsqt@4ax.com...
>> "Lily" <l3456@yahoo.com> hath wroth:
>>
>>>I have a dell with WAP-PSK that I can't get to validate identity
>>>on a WAP2 protected wireless network.

>>
>> The reason you may not be finding anything is that you have two
>> characters transposed in the acronym. It's WPA, not WAP.

>
> Thanks Jeff, I guess I am too tired today. It is WPA2 (not WAP2).
> The router is set for WPA2 and AES. But the Dell Inspiron 700m does
> not have a WPA2 option. It only has WPA-PSK. Is that what I can't
> connect??
>
>

What is the make and model number of your wireless router? Double check the
wireless security options on your Dell Inspiron 700m. Although I haven't
researched the specs of that particular PC, many wireless devices offer the
following choices: WEP, WPA (Radius), WPA-PSK (TKIP and/or AES), WPA2 (AES).
You stated that your Inspiron *only* has WPA-PSK. I am assuming that is
what you or someone else set it to. To simplify matters, being that your
PC's wireless device is already set to WPA-PSK, check to see if it gives you
an option for the cipher (TKIP or AES). If it does not, assume that it is
TKIP, then adjust the options in the wireless router's menu to match that of
the Inspiron. If it gives you a choice between TKIP and AES, choose AES and
then adjust the wireless router to match. Of course, make sure your
passphrase is the same on both devices. If the settings on both devices
don't match, they will not be able to communicate with each other which, in
turn, means that you will not be able to connect. I hope I made sense. I'm
very tired and am getting ready for bed. Take care.

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(Ubuntu User# 16887)

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Old 08-25-2007, 03:32 AM
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Default Re: Is WAP2 the same as WAP-PSK ???

"Lily" <l3456@yahoo.com> hath wroth:

>You know, I am confused about the acronym. I see it as WAP in
>lots of places and WPA in others. Why is that??


WAP is usually a "wireless access point". That's rather easy to
confuse with WPA (wi-fi protected access). Too error is human as I've
mangled acronyms myself more than a few times.

> I thought WAP2 (or WPA2) came in either AES or TKIP. Is that incorrect?


That's just one of the differences. Some routers allow a choice of
using TKIP or AES encryption with WPA. However, WPA2 is always AES.
There are also substantial differences in the authentication
mechanisms between WPA and WPA2. See the Wikipedia article or:
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0505.mspx>
for details.

>Not that it is important to my question.


Yep.

>It is both a wired and wireless network at the home of a friend. The
>husband
>set it up as WAP2 - AES (or WPA2 - AES).


It's WPA2. Try not to become part of the problem.
WPA2 is always AES encryption. However, you have a choice of
WPA2-Personal (also known as WPA2-PSK) or WPA2-Enterprise (also known
as WPA2-RADIUS).

>One of the laptops can't connect.
>It is a Dell Inspiron 700m. IT has a choice of WEP, or WAP-PSK, or WAP-TKIP
>(I think - I'm not there but those are the notes I made). I set it on
>WAP-PSK with
>AES and it won't connect. Naturally, I put in the passphrase, but still no
>connection.


Does the Dell 700m have an operating system? I'll assume XP Home.

There are some Windoze updates for wireless that include WPA2 support.
See:
<http://support.microsoft.com/?id=917021>
<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=2726F32F-D52B-4F84-ACE8-F7FC20195769&displaylang=en>


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Old 08-25-2007, 03:54 AM
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Default Re: Is WAP2 the same as WAP-PSK ???


"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:gv7vc35i2bu40nh7ngh5m8jtkrc6uvr5do@4ax.com...

> There are some Windoze updates for wireless that include WPA2 support.
> See:
> <http://support.microsoft.com/?id=917021>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=2726F32F-D52B-4F84-ACE8-F7FC20195769&displaylang=en>


Thanks VERY much and I just downloaded (but actually they refer to the same
download
WindowsXP-KB917021-v3-x86-ENU.



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Old 08-25-2007, 04:03 AM
Lily
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Default Re: Is WAP2 the same as WAP-PSK ???


"Doug Jamal" <dougjamal@atmyhome.net> wrote in message
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> What is the make and model number of your wireless router?


Sorry, will get that on my next visit. It is definitely set to WPA2 - AES.

>Double check the
> wireless security options on your Dell Inspiron 700m.


The Dell Inspiron is definitely set to WPA-PSK. It did not have a WPA2
option.
It has XP Pro on it and I am thinking that the options are derived from
windows.

>Although I haven't
> researched the specs of that particular PC, many wireless devices offer
> the
> following choices: WEP, WPA (Radius), WPA-PSK (TKIP and/or AES), WPA2
> (AES).


It offeres WEP, WPA-PSK (TKIP or AES) and that is it. Nothing else.

> You stated that your Inspiron *only* has WPA-PSK. I am assuming that is
> what you or someone else set it to. To simplify matters, being that your
> PC's wireless device is already set to WPA-PSK, check to see if it gives
> you
> an option for the cipher (TKIP or AES). If it does not, assume that it is
> TKIP, then adjust the options in the wireless router's menu to match that
> of
> the Inspiron. If it gives you a choice between TKIP and AES, choose AES
> and
> then adjust the wireless router to match.


I walked into the office and checked the setup of a wireless laptop and saw
that it
was connecting and the setting on it was WPA2 - AES. That was also the
setting of
a Sony VAIO laptop that was connecting wirelessly.
Thanks so much for taking an interest in helping me!!! :-)



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Old 08-25-2007, 04:05 AM
Lily
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Default Re: Is WPA2-AES the same as WAP-PSK AES???

I should have worded the question as in the subject line of
this post:

Is WPA2-AES the same as WPA - PSK AES???



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Old 08-25-2007, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: Is WAP2 the same as WAP-PSK ???

On 2007-08-25, Lily intrigued me by typing:
>
> "Doug Jamal" <dougjamal@atmyhome.net> wrote in message
> news:46cf9ee6$0$18912$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>> What is the make and model number of your wireless router?

>
> Sorry, will get that on my next visit. It is definitely set to WPA2 - AES.
>
>>Double check the
>> wireless security options on your Dell Inspiron 700m.

>
> The Dell Inspiron is definitely set to WPA-PSK. It did not have a WPA2
> option.
> It has XP Pro on it and I am thinking that the options are derived from
> windows.
>
>>Although I haven't
>> researched the specs of that particular PC, many wireless devices offer
>> the
>> following choices: WEP, WPA (Radius), WPA-PSK (TKIP and/or AES), WPA2
>> (AES).

>
> It offeres WEP, WPA-PSK (TKIP or AES) and that is it. Nothing else.
>
>> You stated that your Inspiron *only* has WPA-PSK. I am assuming that is
>> what you or someone else set it to. To simplify matters, being that your
>> PC's wireless device is already set to WPA-PSK, check to see if it gives
>> you
>> an option for the cipher (TKIP or AES). If it does not, assume that it is
>> TKIP, then adjust the options in the wireless router's menu to match that
>> of
>> the Inspiron. If it gives you a choice between TKIP and AES, choose AES
>> and
>> then adjust the wireless router to match.

>
> I walked into the office and checked the setup of a wireless laptop and saw
> that it
> was connecting and the setting on it was WPA2 - AES. That was also the
> setting of
> a Sony VAIO laptop that was connecting wirelessly.
> Thanks so much for taking an interest in helping me!!! :-)
>
>

No problem, Lily. We are all here to learn and share what we've learned.
Hopefully, we were helpful to you. Take care.

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(Ubuntu User# 16887)

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Old 08-25-2007, 09:46 PM
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Default Re: Is WAP2 the same as WAP-PSK ???

Hi!

> You know, I am confused about the acronym. I see it as WAP in
> lots of places and WPA in others. Why is that??


Typos?

It's WPA, for Wi-Fi Protected Access. There's a WAP, but that means
"wireless application protocol".

> I thought WAP2 (or WPA2) came in either AES or TKIP. Is that
> incorrect?


The DD-WRT v23SP2 firmware that can be used on some wireless routers will
let you select AES+TKIP with WPA2. It seems to work, which means that it's
either acceptable or at least a tolerable violation of the specs.

William



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Old 08-25-2007, 10:19 PM
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Default Re: Is WPA2 the same as WPA-PSK ? THE ANSWER

NO, It is not. WPA-PSK implies and indeed is WPA and it
is NOT WPA2.

I had to update with the update which Jeff so kindly furnished.
<http://support.microsoft.com/?id=917021>

The update put the option of WPA2 on the laptop.

THANKS Jeff and everyone who contributed and helped!!!!



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Old 08-28-2007, 01:44 AM
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Lily wrote:
> <Bod43@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1188004828.950772.293350@x40g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>> No.
>>
>> WPA != WPA2

>
>
> I definitely understand "No", but I don't understand what
> the "!" stands for. Thanks for your answer. Do you know
> of a link that spells out the difference between WAP2 and
> WAP-PSK?
>
>

the != means it does not equal

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Old 08-28-2007, 02:14 AM
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=67


Do you know
>> of a link that spells out the difference between WAP2 and
>> WAP-PSK?
>>


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