WGR164v5 stopped doing wireless.

Hi all. Out of the blue my WGR164v5 router's "Wireless" light went
out. The LAN plugs still work fine, so I hooked up the cable and tried
to configure it. 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 won't find the setup
anymore, but the web itself is going fine (thankfully). I tried
pressing the reset button at the back for about a minute, but the
lights never flashed or did anything really and the addresses still
don't work.
Am I hard resetting the router correctly? Is it likely the wireless
has simply been turned off at the setup somehow, but for some reason I
can't access it now to turn it back on?
Thanks!

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:03:12 -0700 (PDT), DanSolo
<daniel.otoole@ucd.ie> wrote:

>Hi all. Out of the blue my WGR164v5 router's "Wireless" light went
>out. The LAN plugs still work fine, so I hooked up the cable and tried
>to configure it. 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1 won't find the setup
>anymore, but the web itself is going fine (thankfully). I tried
>pressing the reset button at the back for about a minute, but the
>lights never flashed or did anything really and the addresses still
>don't work.

On your PC, run:
start -> run -> cmd <enter>
ipconfig
Try pointing your web browser to the IP address shown on the "gateway"
line.

>Am I hard resetting the router correctly? Is it likely the wireless
>has simply been turned off at the setup somehow, but for some reason I
>can't access it now to turn it back on?

See:
<http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n100651.asp>
for the correct reset procedure. Yes, you do have to do every step,
even if it seem rather odd and unnecessary.




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On Aug 4, 5:23 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> See:
> <http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n100651.asp>
> for the correct reset procedure. Yes, you do have to do every step,
> even if it seem rather odd and unnecessary.

That's the one my man. The pages I was reading all said "hold in for
30 seconds" but didn't say anything about cycling the power. (how
likely are you to do that by accident!). BTW, now it's WPA set, is
there any need to change the login/password from default? That can
only be accessed via the cable, right?
Thanks!

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:37:48 -0700 (PDT), DanSolo
<daniel.otoole@ucd.ie> wrote:

>On Aug 4, 5:23 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> See:
>> <http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n100651.asp>
>> for the correct reset procedure. Yes, you do have to do every step,
>> even if it seem rather odd and unnecessary.
>
>That's the one my man. The pages I was reading all said "hold in for
>30 seconds" but didn't say anything about cycling the power. (how
>likely are you to do that by accident!).

I've also had the reset cerimony fail on some WGR614 models, and had
to use the 2nd procedures, where you hold down the button while
applying power.

>BTW, now it's WPA set, is
>there any need to change the login/password from default? That can
>only be accessed via the cable, right?

Well, try it. I think you'll find that the web based configuration is
accessible via wireless. You're probably safe as long as nobody
figures out your WPA key. That's not guaranteed with a shared key.
Anyone that can get to your computer(s) for a while, can extract the
key:
<http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/wireless_key.html>
I carry a similar program on my USB dongle. It takes me about 15
seconds to extract and save the keys. Therefore, I suggest that you
change the password.


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On Aug 4, 5:19 pm, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> Well, try it. I think you'll find that the web based configuration is
> accessible via wireless. You're probably safe as long as nobody
> figures out your WPA key. That's not guaranteed with a shared key.
> Anyone that can get to your computer(s) for a while, can extract the
> key:

Well it's in my home, so that's probably not an issue. But if http://192.168.1.1
gets to my netgear setup page, how are all those setup pages on earth
separated?

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:50:58 -0700 (PDT), DanSolo
<daniel.otoole@ucd.ie> wrote:

>On Aug 4, 5:19 pm, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> Well, try it. I think you'll find that the web based configuration is
>> accessible via wireless. You're probably safe as long as nobody
>> figures out your WPA key. That's not guaranteed with a shared key.
>> Anyone that can get to your computer(s) for a while, can extract the
>> key:
>
>Well it's in my home, so that's probably not an issue. But if http://192.168.1.1
>gets to my netgear setup page, how are all those setup pages on earth
>separated?

Seperated from what? You can't easily get to the config page from the
WAN side unless the WGR614 has a designated port number (usually 8080)
for config access from the internet. You also have to enable that in
the configuration somewhere. That's a totally different IP address.

However, if you mean seperating wireless from wired access, there's no
need, reason, or even an easy way to seperate those. Wireless is
bridging, not routing, so you had to do the seperation at the MAC
layer, not the IP layer. Usually, that's done with something call
"client isolation" or "AP isolation" where the wireless and wired
clients don't see each other. It also be used to prevent access to
the web config from the wireless networks. Some routers have this as
a setting, but most do not.

Did you try it via wireless?

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On Aug 4, 9:16 pm, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> Did you try it via wireless?
>
Sorry if my phrasing was dire there. My question is how can someone
else type 192.168.1.1 into their browser and get my router setup page?
Wouldn't they just get their own, unless they've cracked my WPA and
they're using my WiFi?

On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:56:55 -0700 (PDT), DanSolo
<daniel.otoole@ucd.ie> wrote:

>On Aug 4, 9:16 pm, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> Did you try it via wireless?
>>
>Sorry if my phrasing was dire there. My question is how can someone
>else type 192.168.1.1 into their browser and get my router setup page?
>Wouldn't they just get their own, unless they've cracked my WPA and
>they're using my WiFi?

No problem, but I'm still a bit confused as to what you're asking. If
you're wondering how your wireless is seperated from the neighbors,
it's by SSID and WPA encryption key. Both systems can have
192.168.1.xxx as their network. However, since neither access point
sees the other's traffic (due to encryption), there's no conflict.
Even if both system were unencrypted, the traffic would still be
seperated by SSID. However, if both had the same SSID, there's a
small chance that users would connect to the wrong access point. That
will create all kinds of weird issues, but no conflicts as these users
only connect to one access point at a time.

If you're relying on WPA encryption to secure your network, that's
sufficient and mostly adequate. However, if your WPA key leaks out,
it's open season on your network. The WPA key is almost impossible to
crack (unless it's too short, or uses too many dictionary words). I
wouldn't expect problems from sniffing and hackers. However, as I
previously mentioned, it's possible to extract the WPA key from your
computers, so watch your physical security.

Where the lack of a password on the router gets people into trouble
are helpful kids, friends, neighbors, and semi-intoxicated party
animals. The latter is the worst, who try to be helpful, but usually
make a mess of the router. Never mind keeping the hackers out. It's
your friends that are the problem.

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On Aug 5, 2:24 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> No problem, but I'm still a bit confused as to what you're asking. If
> you're wondering how your wireless is seperated from the neighbors,
> it's by SSID and WPA encryption key. Both systems can have
> 192.168.1.xxx as their network. However, since neither access point
> sees the other's traffic (due to encryption), there's no conflict.
> Even if both system were unencrypted, the traffic would still be
> seperated by SSID. However, if both had the same SSID, there's a
> small chance that users would connect to the wrong access point. That
> will create all kinds of weird issues, but no conflicts as these users
> only connect to one access point at a time.

OK, I think I get it now. As long as no-one has physical access to my
PC then my network can't be accessed without cracking my WPA. And they
can't access my 192.168.1.1 without my WPA. Even if they did another
hardware reset and new passwords would fix it up.
Thanks!