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Old 07-16-2007, 06:01 AM
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Default What is best security option for wireless router?

I live in a condo and about to go wireless. What is the best security to
keep neighbors from leeching off my Wi-Fi?



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Old 07-16-2007, 06:42 AM
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"SanDiegoFunkDaddy" <nospam@email.com> wrote in message
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>I live in a condo and about to go wireless. What is the best security to
>keep neighbors from leeching off my Wi-Fi?
>


WPA-PSK and a nice long password



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Old 07-16-2007, 06:45 AM
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"SanDiegoFunkDaddy" <nospam@email.com> hath wroth:

>I live in a condo and about to go wireless. What is the best security to
>keep neighbors from leeching off my Wi-Fi?


Shotgun or large caliber slug shooter will work best. Bang on door.
Shove gun in face of neighbor. Threaten violence if you find them on
your wi-fi network. Leave. End of problem.

If that won't work, there's always encryption. The basic requirements
are:
1. A router password that's not easily guessed.
2. A unique SSID. It can be anything like "KEEP OUT". Don't use any
punctuation or weird symbols.
3. Setup WPA-Personal or WPA2-Personal encryption.
4. Select a WPA pass phrase that's not easily guessable. Make it
long ( >20 chars)

Done. There are additional security measures that will make your life
as miserable as the neighborhood hackers. The do present an
additional obstacle, but if WPA encryption is used with a decent key,
that's all you need. At this point, unless you use a trivial key, WPA
cannot be cracked.

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Old 07-16-2007, 03:46 PM
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"SanDiegoFunkDaddy" <nospam@email.com> wrote in message
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>I live in a condo and about to go wireless. What is the best security to
>keep neighbors from leeching off my Wi-Fi?


A 45 caliber handgun.
Or a baseball bat for a less severe beating.

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Old 07-17-2007, 02:44 AM
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Don't use one !



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Old 07-18-2007, 05:00 AM
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"Yes Baby" <2468@never2latebtinternet.com> wrote in message
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> "SanDiegoFunkDaddy" <nospam@email.com> wrote in message
> news:CZCmi.280774$Fk2.40452@newsfe08.phx...
>>I live in a condo and about to go wireless. What is the best security to
>>keep neighbors from leeching off my Wi-Fi?
>>

>
> WPA-PSK and a nice long password
>

And do NOT broadcast the SSID.
So you know the name but no one else.


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Old 07-18-2007, 05:32 AM
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"SanDiegoFunkDaddy" <nospam@email.com> wrote in message
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>I live in a condo and about to go wireless. What is the best security to
>keep neighbors from leeching off my Wi-Fi?
>


802.11 A - would eliminate probably 99% of them. They're just not going to
have 802.11 A mode. Throw in WPA with a nice long seemingly random
passphrase and you will be on your own wireless island. Of course you've got
to buy all A cards as well as A access point. If it can do B and G as well
turn those modes off.

Does anybody know if any laptops (Apple Mac Airport?) has 5Ghz 802.11 A
capability built-in? Their Airport Extreme Access Points do.

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Old 07-18-2007, 05:49 AM
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"- Bobb -" <bobb@noemail.123> hath wroth:

>And do NOT broadcast the SSID.
>So you know the name but no one else.


Is that so you can insure that your neighbors land on your wi-fi radio
channel or is it in order to break some connection managers that can't
seem to connect to an access point without a broadcast SSID? Never
mind that any user with Kismet or other sniffer can easily extract the
SSID out of thin air. Great security idea that will screw up your
friends and neighbors, but do nothing to slow down even a beginning
script kid.

From the FAQ at:
Wi-Fi Security Myths:
<http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wi-Fi_Security_Myths>

Hint: Security by obscurity doesn't work.


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Old 07-18-2007, 06:05 AM
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"Alan Spicer" <aspicer@marinetelecom.net> hath wroth:

>"SanDiegoFunkDaddy" <nospam@email.com> wrote in message
>news:CZCmi.280774$Fk2.40452@newsfe08.phx...
>>I live in a condo and about to go wireless. What is the best security to
>>keep neighbors from leeching off my Wi-Fi?


>802.11 A - would eliminate probably 99% of them.


Yep, but not for the obvious reason. It's because the most common
tool, Netstumbler doesn't show whether a logged access point is
responding on 2.4 or 5.7GHz. The log file entries are identical.

>They're just not going to
>have 802.11 A mode.


I have both. However, I don't have a decent 5.7GHz antenna. Seen any
5.7GHz antenna construction articles? I've seen one or two, but that
it. Most hackers do live on 2.4GHz.

>Throw in WPA with a nice long seemingly random
>passphrase and you will be on your own wireless island. Of course you've got
>to buy all A cards as well as A access point. If it can do B and G as well
>turn those modes off.


Wait until you try to bridge from 2.4 to 5.7GHz on the same access
point? Some a/b/g boxes simply won't do it.

>Does anybody know if any laptops (Apple Mac Airport?) has 5Ghz 802.11 A
>capability built-in? Their Airport Extreme Access Points do.


I don't anything about Apple laptops.

However, the current crop of laptops with Intel boards are arriving
with 2915ABG or 3945ABG cards, which are dual band. The 4965AGN
(MIMO) is also dual band. See a trend?

Also, 5.7GHz isn't as empty as you would expect. See:
<http://www.wbanc.com>
Oh swell, site is down for a while. Maybe later. Anyway, there is
quite a bit of point to point traffic on 5.7GHz and a substantial
number of WiMax system:
<http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DUJ/is_4_109/ai_n15631308>


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