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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...461748,00.html

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:44:52 -0600, "j" <2@nowhere.com> wrote in
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>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...461748,00.html

Same folks that think fluoridating water is a Commie plot!

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:44:52 -0600, "j" <2@nowhere.com> wrote:

>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...461748,00.html

Oh, the usual. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. Not much new here.

Personally, I agree with the skool policy. If there's an alternative
to wireless available (wired ethernet), it should be a local decision
as to how one connects to the internet. I don't see wired internet as
a major inconvenience to the students and teachers.

Of course, there are those that want to ban laptops with or without
wireless:
<http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-03-21-professor-laptop-ban_x.htm>
Just add it to the list of skools that ban iPods, cell phones,
cameras, camcorders (to video tape lectures).

In the People's Republic of Santa Cruz, we have something similar:
<http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2006/May/12/local/stories/01local.htm>

Don't forget that you can also risk infertility by using a cell phone:
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=412179&in_page_id=1770>
I like the concept of cell phones for birth control.

So, let's see what the National Cancer Institute has on brain cancer
incidence statisics:
<http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/types/brain/>
Start here:
<http://seer.cancer.gov/cgi-bin/csr/1975_2003/search.pl>
and select "incidence" and "brain and CNS". Page 62 shows the trend
for incidence and deaths for various types of cancer. The overall
brain cancer incidence trend is -0.3% annual percentage change from
1994 to 2003. In other words, brain cancer incidence is not
increasing. It's decreasing.

Digging a bit deeper, there were 58 million cell phones in 1995 which
tripled by 2003 to 159 million. My guess is the minutes per customer
increased far more than triple. So much for the correlation between
cell phone use and brain cancer.

For 2006, there are predicted to be about 18,820 new cases of brain
cancer. That's an annual incidence of about 6 cases per 100,000
population. Yawn...


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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 05:17:09 GMT, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in
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>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:44:52 -0600, "j" <2@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...461748,00.html
>
>Oh, the usual. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. Not much new here.
>
>Personally, I agree with the skool policy. If there's an alternative
>to wireless available (wired ethernet), it should be a local decision
>as to how one connects to the internet. I don't see wired internet as
>a major inconvenience to the students and teachers.

I know of many schools, particularly those in old buildings, where wired
Internet isn't a practical and viable option. And you've never seen
bored or bratty kids yank on network cables? I sure have.

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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 05:45:14 GMT, John Navas
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>On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 05:17:09 GMT, Jeff Liebermann
><jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in
><sf9am2t3lavi7s0g0pfbso9l9h9e5jut90@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:44:52 -0600, "j" <2@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...461748,00.html
>>
>>Oh, the usual. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. Not much new here.
>>
>>Personally, I agree with the skool policy. If there's an alternative
>>to wireless available (wired ethernet), it should be a local decision
>>as to how one connects to the internet. I don't see wired internet as
>>a major inconvenience to the students and teachers.

>I know of many schools, particularly those in old buildings, where wired
>Internet isn't a practical and viable option. And you've never seen
>bored or bratty kids yank on network cables? I sure have.

Yep. Been there at the local (brick building) university. They
originally rewired the dorms to provide both POTS telephony and
internet access. This was before cheap wireless. It cost so much to
do the wiring that the university elected to cease the wiring and
switch to wireless. Several generations of technology and a few
vendors and it was done. The existing part of the wired part is still
being used, but the wireless carries more traffic. Interestingly, the
biggest headaches were insurance on the underground conduits and where
to put the wired switches. The backhauls had to go through conduit
that was absolutely stuffed full of spagetti and where various
contractors owned the wiring (and insurance). Adding wire was risky,
messy, and politicized. Locating the switches was another mess. There
just wasn't any room available where all the CAT5 could conveniently
come together. Telco and CATV closets were available, but they were
already crammed full of antique hardware. The nice thing about
wireless is that it doesn't involve much of any of these problems.
<http://its.ucsc.edu/service_catalog/network_wireless/cruznet/maps/index.php>

However, methinks it's still the decision of the skool. If they
consider their perceived risk of health issues sufficiently important
to justify dealing with the costs and problems of wiring an existing
structure, then it's their time and money.

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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 05:55:54 GMT, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in
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>However, methinks it's still the decision of the skool. If they
>consider their perceived risk of health issues sufficiently important
>to justify dealing with the costs and problems of wiring an existing
>structure, then it's their time and money.

Actually it's our money, and (sadly) they don't get all that much of it.
California schools have fallen far from their former luster.

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Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> Yep. Been there at the local (brick building) university. They
> originally rewired the dorms to provide both POTS telephony and
> internet access [...]

We (Winona State University) have two campuses. The main campus was easy to
wire because the entire campus has a good underground infrastructure - large
tunnels with accomodations for fiber. (In fact, the tunnels are so large,
that the maintence folks use bicycles to commute between buildings.) and the
buildings' heat are all hot-water which left lots of room for cabling.

The other campus was, at first, a horror - we purchased it from a Catholic
college that failed financially. I swear they built the place to withstand a
nuclear attack. So much cement and steel. But the guys drilled 3' of
concrete to feed fiber in, and wire throughout.

And we have wireless, of course. Students do prefer wire for media. So,
given the option they plug in where they can.