Where to buy Ubiquiti Nanobridge M2-18 Outdoor MIMO 2.4GHz 18DBI(NB-2G18)

Streakwave and Wlanparts are where I was told to buy the $72.oo UBNT NB-2G18
(Ubiquiti Nanobridge M2-18 Outdoor MIMO 2.4GHz 18DBI).

But they're both out of stock.

Where do you guys normally get your radios for shipment to the bay area?

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:14:24 +0000, Vinny P. wrote:

> Streakwave and Wlanparts are where I was told to buy the $72.oo UBNT NB-2G18
> (Ubiquiti Nanobridge M2-18 Outdoor MIMO 2.4GHz 18DBI).

I found an 'export version' on Ebay.

What's an export version anyway?
Would that be illegal to use in California?

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:16:26 +0000, Vinny P. wrote:

> What's an export version anyway?
> Would that be illegal to use in California?

Having no other recourse, I ended up buying the 'export'
version of the Ubnt NanoBridge M2-18 for $78.50 from
http://www.wirelessnetworkproducts.com/nb-2g18.aspx

Apparently, for that price, it comes with:
- the radio
- the antenna
- the POE
- the mounting tube

Thee salesman said the export version is 'more powerful'
because it handles many 'more frequencies' but that those
frequencies would be useless to me unless I bought two of them.

He said if I bought two of them, I would experience less
interference because nobody is on those frequencies.

It makes sense - but there must be a good reason for the
non-export version. Right?

Anyway, I had to fax him this document that says I'm not
going to use the extra frequencies:
http://www.wirelessnetworkproducts.c...%20version.doc

So my only question is (since I only bought one):
Q: What happens if I do use those extra frequencies?

(i.e., is there a real benefit if I had two of them?)
(i.e., what's the real chance of getting caught?)
(i.e., is there any way to actually 'use' those frequencies with just one of them?)

"Vinny P." <vinormi@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>What's an export version anyway?
>Would that be illegal to use in California?

They allow access to frequencies and power levels not authorized in the US. Not
a good idea to use them - you will get caught.

"Vinny P." <vinormi@gmail.com> wrote:

>So my only question is (since I only bought one):
>Q: What happens if I do use those extra frequencies?

You will get caught by the FCC. At a minimum you will get to make a major
personal contribution to the ever growing federal deficit. The offending device
will also get taken from you. Depending on your attitude when caught, you could
even get to spend some close personal bonding time with Bubba the Love Sponge.

>(i.e., is there a real benefit if I had two of them?)

No.

>(i.e., what's the real chance of getting caught?)

Very high. Especially as those frequencies are used by other services in the US
including safety services.

>(i.e., is there any way to actually 'use' those frequencies with just one of them?)

No.

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:20:58 -0600, Robert Neville wrote:

>>(i.e., is there any way to actually 'use' those frequencies with just one of them?)
> No.

Hmm.

Since I only have one radio, if I can't actually 'use' the extra frequencies, then how would I get caught not using them?

On 7/25/2012 3:32 AM, Vinny P. wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:20:58 -0600, Robert Neville wrote:
>
>>> (i.e., is there any way to actually 'use' those frequencies with just one of them?)
>> No.
>
> Hmm.
>
> Since I only have one radio, if I can't actually 'use' the extra frequencies, then how would I get caught not using them?
>


Plug it in, broadcast and start a stopwatch.

On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:31:48 +0000 (UTC), "Vinny P."
<vinormi@gmail.com> wrote:

>It makes sense - but there must be a good reason for the
>non-export version. Right?
>
>Anyway, I had to fax him this document that says I'm not
>going to use the extra frequencies:
>http://www.wirelessnetworkproducts.c...%20version.doc
>
>So my only question is (since I only bought one):
>Q: What happens if I do use those extra frequencies?

Nothing. When you dive into the setup, there's a choice of various
countries. Pick USA and you'll get the usual 11 channels and 1 watt
maximum per FCC rules. If you pick some other country, you might end
up with 14 channels, but also a lower power maximum.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels>

>(i.e., is there a real benefit if I had two of them?)

No. The only difference between export and domestic is the FCC
sticker and the availability of options that you're not going to use.
>(i.e., what's the real chance of getting caught?)

Minimal. It's really a political issue. The FCC is not interesting
in enforcing anything that does not generate revenue or in an election
year, generate points for the incumbents. The only way you're going
to have a problem is if you trash the Wi-Fi connection of a congress
critter or other important official, and they complain to the FCC.
That will usually precipitate a reaction only slightly less than
biblical proportions, which you will surely regret. Another way is
for someone to file an official complaint, and the complaint is
randomly selected for enforcement, perhaps to demonstrate that the FCC
EB is actually doing something useful. Of course, getting your name
in the press by boasting about the laws that you're breaking will not
be a good thing.

On the other foot, I occasionally report interference violations to
the FCC, when I can't get through to the perpetrator. For
non-commercial interference complaints:
<https://esupport.fcc.gov/ccmsforms/form2000.action?form_type=2000F>
All that usually happens is the FCC sends a form letter informing the
owner that they're breaking the rules. The letter includes an
itemized list of dire consequences. These usually get the recipients
attention and the problem goes away.

>(i.e., is there any way to actually 'use' those frequencies with just one of them?)

That's a little like asking if it is possible to drive the wrong way
in the traffic lanes made for opposing traffic. The answer is yes,
there is a way, but it won't work very well, or for very long. Most
of the channels between 2483.5 and 2500MHz are used by satellite
broadcasting.
<http://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/OPP/working_papers/oppwp38chart.pdf>
MOBILE-SATELLITE (space-to-Earth), RADIODETERMINATION-SATELLITE
(space-to-Earth), MOBILE-SATELLITE (space-to-Earth),
RADIODETERMINATION-SATELLITE (space-to-Earth), S5.398, S5.150,
S5.402, US319, US41, NG147. ISM Equipment (18), Satellite
Communications (25), Private Land Mobile (90), Fixed Microwave
(101).
I really don't know who uses those frequencies, but I'm sure they
won't be thrilled with your presence.

--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:58:27 -0400, News wrote:

> Plug it in, broadcast and start a stopwatch.

heh heh. That's a good point.

What you're implying, I guess, is that the radio must be
broadcasting on all the available frequencies as it 'scans',
one or two of which are 'illegal' frequencies.

So even though there's nothing on the other side of the link
to connect to at those illegal frequencies, the radio will
broadcast on them.

But can't I just set my frequency to a channel less than 12?

Would my export radio 'still' broadcast on the other frequencies?

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:38:44 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> Pick USA and you'll get the usual 11 channels and 1 watt
> maximum per FCC rules.

Makes sense!

> The only difference between export and domestic is the FCC
> sticker and the availability of options that you're not going to use.

That's what I thought.

>>(i.e., what's the real chance of getting caught?)
> Minimal. It's really a political issue. The FCC is not interesting
> in enforcing anything that does not generate revenue

That's also what I thought. I mean, heck, who's going to spend the
money to scan for illegal frequencies, and then triangulate (or use
whatever method they use to identify the culprit) and then surround
the house with helicopter gunships to take down a single antenna
that isn't even communicating with anyone on the stated frequencies.

> Of course, getting your name
> in the press by boasting about the laws that you're breaking will not
> be a good thing.

Ooops. At least you don't know my 'last' name! :)

> The letter includes an
> itemized list of dire consequences.

I understand. I got one of these from the IRS. It takes them years
to catch up with you when you don't file your taxes - and they're
absolutely no penalty if you've overpaid them - but what they do
is calculate your taxes for you.

The funny thing is they assume all your stock was purchased for
zero dollars. Even when you sell short. So the final calculation
is one that gets your attention.

Now if you don't straight W2 income, then their calculation is better
than yours! I've found they'll do your taxes for you, if it's simple.

But that's for another newsgroup.


> Most of the channels between 2483.5 and 2500MHz are used by
> satellite broadcasting.

Interesting.

> I really don't know who uses those frequencies, but I'm sure they
> won't be thrilled with your presence.

I think I'll just hit the 'keep me legal' USA-only button and I'll
be fine. I wonder what all the fuss is then, if it's so simple to
stay legal in a radio...

Vinny P. (for it is he) wrote:

> What you're implying, I guess, is that the radio must be
> broadcasting on all the available frequencies as it 'scans',

Implied or not, it's not true.

> So even though there's nothing on the other side of the link
> to connect to at those illegal frequencies, the radio will
> broadcast on them.

In wifi mode at least, it will send out beacon frames on the channel you've
configured it on. If it has an "auto" channel mode, it may choose a channel
itself. If you pick a channel yourself, it's not going to start broadcasting
on other channels unbidden [although there is some overlap].

> But can't I just set my frequency to a channel less than 12?

Yes, or pick the correct region and then you can't put it on the wrong
channel.

> Would my export radio 'still' broadcast on the other frequencies?

Forget the 'export' bit. It's the same kit.

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:51:01 +0100, alexd wrote:

> Forget the 'export' bit. It's the same kit.

It's working fine now.

So far, nobody has knocked on my door!

IT would have been a lot easier if I could have found the US version.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:51:01 +0100, alexd wrote:

> Forget the 'export' bit. It's the same kit.

It's working fine now.

So far, nobody has knocked on my door!

IT would have been a lot easier if I could have found the US version.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:58:27 -0400, News wrote:

> Plug it in, broadcast and start a stopwatch.

Stopwatch is on. I installed it yesterday.