So, I was at the local sandwich shop last night, and I noticed I was able to
pick up a signal from a local T-Mobile hotspot, which I have an account
with. It was only one bar out of five. But I was able to connect to it and
surf the web without any problems.
I then looked up the hotspots in the area, and I saw that the closest one
was a Fed-Ex/Kinkos about 2-3 blocks away. Measuring it on the map, I
estimate it to be at least 800 feet from where I was.
Is that normal for wi-fi routers to have such a large range? That seems a
bit far to be picking up a wi-fi signal. The router was a little uphill from
me, though not a very steep hill.
Neil wrote:
> Is that normal for wi-fi routers to have such a large range? That seems a
> bit far to be picking up a wi-fi signal. The router was a little uphill from
> me, though not a very steep hill.
For those type of deployments, they set it up it work within the
building. So it will likely get out into the parking lot also.
That's all the need to care about.
Will it go farther? Sure. Will it be a reliable link? Most likely
not. I installed a Linksys WRT54G and it was usable over a thousand
feet away which surprised me.
A true case of "You mileage, err...footage may very".
"Neil" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:wKvaj.393$6%.28@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
> So, I was at the local sandwich shop last night, and I noticed I was able
> to pick up a signal from a local T-Mobile hotspot, which I have an account
> with. It was only one bar out of five. But I was able to connect to it and
> surf the web without any problems.
>
> I then looked up the hotspots in the area, and I saw that the closest one
> was a Fed-Ex/Kinkos about 2-3 blocks away. Measuring it on the map, I
> estimate it to be at least 800 feet from where I was.
>
> Is that normal for wi-fi routers to have such a large range? That seems a
> bit far to be picking up a wi-fi signal. The router was a little uphill
> from me, though not a very steep hill.
>
Doing testing with a couple of Cisco APs and high gain omnidirectional
aerials we've had them working over several hundred meters , and even
further with directional ones but that's on open ground. In a built up
environment it's unusal to get anywhere near that.
It's possible there was another hot spot not shown on your map
No, the chances of there being another hotspot are very slim, as there's
only a few types of business that have T-Mobile (Starbucks, Kinkos, some
hotels and airports -- that's about it). This wasn't a random hotspot. It
was a T-Mobile hotspot, and there are only a discreet set of them.
As for open ground, though, the place where I was down the street (to the
south) and a little west of where the hotspot was. In between (the northwest
corner of the intersection where I was at) was open. Thus, between me and
the hotspot, there were no buildings. I'm sure that was it.
"Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5t05h0F1bo6uuU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Neil" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:wKvaj.393$6%.28@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> So, I was at the local sandwich shop last night, and I noticed I was able
>> to pick up a signal from a local T-Mobile hotspot, which I have an
>> account with. It was only one bar out of five. But I was able to connect
>> to it and surf the web without any problems.
>>
>> I then looked up the hotspots in the area, and I saw that the closest one
>> was a Fed-Ex/Kinkos about 2-3 blocks away. Measuring it on the map, I
>> estimate it to be at least 800 feet from where I was.
>>
>> Is that normal for wi-fi routers to have such a large range? That seems a
>> bit far to be picking up a wi-fi signal. The router was a little uphill
>> from me, though not a very steep hill.
>>
> Doing testing with a couple of Cisco APs and high gain omnidirectional
> aerials we've had them working over several hundred meters , and even
> further with directional ones but that's on open ground. In a built up
> environment it's unusal to get anywhere near that.
>
> It's possible there was another hot spot not shown on your map
>
>
>
> --
> Alex
>
> New laptop - Sig missing
Neil wrote: *** and top-posted. Fixed ***
> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote
>> "Neil" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>
>>> So, I was at the local sandwich shop last night, and I noticed
>>> I was able to pick up a signal from a local T-Mobile hotspot,
>>> which I have an account with. It was only one bar out of five.
>>> But I was able to connect to it and surf the web without any
>>> problems.
>>>
>>> I then looked up the hotspots in the area, and I saw that the
>>> closest one was a Fed-Ex/Kinkos about 2-3 blocks away.
>>> Measuring it on the map, I estimate it to be at least 800 feet
>>> from where I was.
>>>
>>> Is that normal for wi-fi routers to have such a large range?
>>> That seems a bit far to be picking up a wi-fi signal. The
>>> router was a little uphill from me, though not a very steep
>>> hill.
>>
>> Doing testing with a couple of Cisco APs and high gain
>> omnidirectional aerials we've had them working over several
>> hundred meters , and even further with directional ones but
>> that's on open ground. In a built up environment it's unusal
>> to get anywhere near that.
>>
>> It's possible there was another hot spot not shown on your
>> map
>
> No, the chances of there being another hotspot are very slim,
> as there's only a few types of business that have T-Mobile
> (Starbucks, Kinkos, some hotels and airports -- that's about
> it). This wasn't a random hotspot. It was a T-Mobile hotspot,
> and there are only a discreet set of them.
>
> As for open ground, though, the place where I was down the
> street (to the south) and a little west of where the hotspot
> was. In between (the northwest corner of the intersection
> where I was at) was open. Thus, between me and the hotspot,
> there were no buildings. I'm sure that was it.
Please do not top-post. Your answer belongs after (or intermixed
with) the quoted material to which you reply, after snipping all
irrelevant material. I fixed this one. See the following links:
> Doing testing with a couple of Cisco APs and high gain omnidirectional
> aerials we've had them working over several hundred meters , and even
> further with directional ones but that's on open ground. In a built up
> environment it's unusal to get anywhere near that.
The world record for unamplified WiFi using off-the-shelf Linksys APs and
very large omnidirectional antennas is, I believe, over 280 kms.
--
TTFN,
Shaun.
"another academic failure.... trying to prove that your smart"
'blanking', nz.comp, 20 Dec 2007.
In news:476b1905@news2.actrix.gen.nz,
~misfit~ typed on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:38:41 +1300:
> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Dr Zoidberg" typed:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Doing testing with a couple of Cisco APs and high gain
>> omnidirectional aerials we've had them working over several hundred
>> meters , and even further with directional ones but that's on open
>> ground. In a built up environment it's unusal to get anywhere near
>> that.
>
> The world record for unamplified WiFi using off-the-shelf Linksys APs
> and very large omnidirectional antennas is, I believe, over 280 kms.
The record using a home made directional antenna at a hackers convention
in Las Vegas a couple of years ago was 51 miles. Although I never
learned if they were on top of a mountain or not. I bet they were.
In <476b3134$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.co m> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> writes:
>The record using a home made directional antenna at a hackers convention
>in Las Vegas a couple of years ago was 51 miles. Although I never
>learned if they were on top of a mountain or not. I bet they were.
--
__________________________________________________ ___
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:476B0FC1.E158E4A3@yahoo.com...
> Neil wrote: *** and top-posted. Fixed ***
>> "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOO!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote
>>> "Neil" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> So, I was at the local sandwich shop last night, and I noticed
>>>> I was able to pick up a signal from a local T-Mobile hotspot,
>>>> which I have an account with. It was only one bar out of five.
>>>> But I was able to connect to it and surf the web without any
>>>> problems.
>>>>
>>>> I then looked up the hotspots in the area, and I saw that the
>>>> closest one was a Fed-Ex/Kinkos about 2-3 blocks away.
>>>> Measuring it on the map, I estimate it to be at least 800 feet
>>>> from where I was.
>>>>
>>>> Is that normal for wi-fi routers to have such a large range?
>>>> That seems a bit far to be picking up a wi-fi signal. The
>>>> router was a little uphill from me, though not a very steep
>>>> hill.
>>>
>>> Doing testing with a couple of Cisco APs and high gain
>>> omnidirectional aerials we've had them working over several
>>> hundred meters , and even further with directional ones but
>>> that's on open ground. In a built up environment it's unusal
>>> to get anywhere near that.
>>>
>>> It's possible there was another hot spot not shown on your
>>> map
>>
>> No, the chances of there being another hotspot are very slim,
>> as there's only a few types of business that have T-Mobile
>> (Starbucks, Kinkos, some hotels and airports -- that's about
>> it). This wasn't a random hotspot. It was a T-Mobile hotspot,
>> and there are only a discreet set of them.
>>
>> As for open ground, though, the place where I was down the
>> street (to the south) and a little west of where the hotspot
>> was. In between (the northwest corner of the intersection
>> where I was at) was open. Thus, between me and the hotspot,
>> there were no buildings. I'm sure that was it.
>
> Please do not top-post. Your answer belongs after (or intermixed
> with) the quoted material to which you reply, after snipping all
> irrelevant material. I fixed this one. See the following links:
>
> --
> <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
> <http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
> <http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>
> <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/> (taming google)
> <http://members.fortunecity.com/nnqweb/> (newusers)
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
That's cool. But I doubt the local kinko's had any sophisticated antennae.
Still, I think the fact that there were no buildings between us and there
was a little downhill helped. I think the fact that there was a slight
breeze from the direction of the Kinko's to where I was helped as well.*
Neil
*Before someone jumps in here: yes, that was a joke.
"~misfit~" <misfit61nz@yahoot.com.au> wrote in
messagenews:476b1905@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Dr Zoidberg" typed:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Doing testing with a couple of Cisco APs and high gain omnidirectional
>> aerials we've had them working over several hundred meters , and even
>> further with directional ones but that's on open ground. In a built up
>> environment it's unusal to get anywhere near that.
>
> The world record for unamplified WiFi using off-the-shelf Linksys APs and
> very large omnidirectional antennas is, I believe, over 280 kms.
> --
> TTFN,
>
> Shaun.
>
> "another academic failure.... trying to prove that your smart"
> 'blanking', nz.comp, 20 Dec 2007.
>
Somewhere on teh intarweb "danny burstein" typed:
> In <476b3134$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.co m> "BillW50"
> <BillW50@aol.kom> writes:
>
>> The record using a home made directional antenna at a hackers
>> convention in Las Vegas a couple of years ago was 51 miles. Although
>> I never learned if they were on top of a mountain or not. I bet they
>> were.
>
> details: http://www.wifiworldrecord.com/
That's old hat. It was broken in Venezula the next year. The one you linked
to was 200km, the Venezuelan record is 279km using just a pair of Linksys
WRT54G's.
+Update+
That was in '06. I've just Googled the guy who did it (Ermanno Pietrosemoli)
and find that my info is old, his record got broken, so he set a new one in
June this year. 382km, or 238 miles for you late adopters.
--
TTFN,
Shaun.
"another academic failure.... trying to prove that your smart"
'blanking', nz.comp, 20 Dec 2007.
"your so predictable misfit"
'blanking', nz.comp, 21 Dec 2007.
"Neil" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:dHHaj.33920$Pv2.11256@newssvr23.news.prodigy. net...
>I don't understand. What do you mean??....
>
> "CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:476B0FC1.E158E4A3@yahoo.com...
It is conventional in most newsgroups to post your reply at the bottom of
the previous, this is called bottom posting. You have been putting your
reply at the top, which is known as top-posting. Top-posting is the
convention in emails because if you are replying to an email then the
recipient should have a grasp on what went before. When posting to
newsgroups others may not have seen your original post so its useful to have
the previous text available and visible first.
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?<snip>
>> Please do not top-post. Your answer belongs after (or intermixed
>> with) the quoted material to which you reply, after snipping all
>> irrelevant material. I fixed this one. See the following links:
>>
>> <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
>> <http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
>> <http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>
>> <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/> (taming google)
>> <http://members.fortunecity.com/nnqweb/> (newusers)
Sadly, I haven't fixed this one. Its worth having a read of the links that
CBFalconer provided.
--
Brian Cryer www.cryer.co.uk/brian
~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarweb "danny burstein" typed:
>> In <476b3134$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.co m> "BillW50"
>> <BillW50@aol.kom> writes:
>>
>>> The record using a home made directional antenna at a hackers
>>> convention in Las Vegas a couple of years ago was 51 miles. Although
>>> I never learned if they were on top of a mountain or not. I bet they
>>> were.
>> details: http://www.wifiworldrecord.com/
>
> That's old hat. It was broken in Venezula the next year. The one you linked
> to was 200km, the Venezuelan record is 279km using just a pair of Linksys
> WRT54G's.
>
> +Update+
>
> That was in '06. I've just Googled the guy who did it (Ermanno Pietrosemoli)
> and find that my info is old, his record got broken, so he set a new one in
> June this year. 382km, or 238 miles for you late adopters.
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:08:09 -0600, "Neil"
<nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
>No, the chances of there being another hotspot are very slim, as there's
>only a few types of business that have T-Mobile (Starbucks, Kinkos, some
>hotels and airports -- that's about it). This wasn't a random hotspot. It
>was a T-Mobile hotspot, and there are only a discreet set of them.
>
>As for open ground, though, the place where I was down the street (to the
>south) and a little west of where the hotspot was. In between (the northwest
>corner of the intersection where I was at) was open. Thus, between me and
>the hotspot, there were no buildings. I'm sure that was it.
It is quite possible one of these other businesses had put a
repeater on their roof so they could enjoy using their
account inside without having to pay for on-site service.
The only way you could more reliably know for certain is to
take a wifi locator, signal strength meter back down there
and canvas the area looking for more spots not on maps.
It is certainly possible for signals to go 800 feet outside,
line of sight, but more surprising if you're inside the
sandwich shop, even moreso to maintain connection with a
laptop and do that in a shop where there might be a kitchen
with microwaves.
And it's entirely predictable that some wanker will whinge about it.
"Brian Cryer" <brian.cryer@127.0.0.1.ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:8sSdnXq6DeLcLPbanZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d@pipex.net...
> "Neil" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:dHHaj.33920$Pv2.11256@newssvr23.news.prodigy. net...
>>I don't understand. What do you mean??....
>>
>> "CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:476B0FC1.E158E4A3@yahoo.com...
>
> It is conventional in most newsgroups to post your reply at the bottom of
> the previous, this is called bottom posting. You have been putting your
> reply at the top, which is known as top-posting. Top-posting is the
> convention in emails because if you are replying to an email then the
> recipient should have a grasp on what went before. When posting to
> newsgroups others may not have seen your original post so its useful to
> have the previous text available and visible first.
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?<snip>
>
>>> Please do not top-post. Your answer belongs after (or intermixed
>>> with) the quoted material to which you reply, after snipping all
>>> irrelevant material. I fixed this one. See the following links:
>>>
>>> <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
>>> <http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html>
>>> <http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>
>>> <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/> (taming google)
>>> <http://members.fortunecity.com/nnqweb/> (newusers)
>
> Sadly, I haven't fixed this one. Its worth having a read of the links that
> CBFalconer provided.
> --
> Brian Cryer
> www.cryer.co.uk/brian
>
>
>
> I then looked up the hotspots in the area, and I saw that the closest one
> was a Fed-Ex/Kinkos about 2-3 blocks away.
And how do you know that for sure? It's not all that hard to spoof a
hotspot. Use the same SSID, capture the HTTP traffic and fake the login
handling. Then use the stolen information to hack the real service.
In news:YNSdncN9JPZig_DanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t,
Bill Kearney typed on Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:28:15 -0500:
>> I then looked up the hotspots in the area, and I saw that the
>> closest one was a Fed-Ex/Kinkos about 2-3 blocks away.
>
> And how do you know that for sure? It's not all that hard to spoof a
> hotspot. Use the same SSID, capture the HTTP traffic and fake the
> login handling. Then use the stolen information to hack the real
> service.
You sound like you have lots of experience doing this Bill. And what
reason would that be for?
In news:c7GdnQHAUIeUKfbanZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d@bt.com,
LR typed on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:39:37 +0000:
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "danny burstein" typed:
>>> In <476b3134$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.co m> "BillW50"
>>> <BillW50@aol.kom> writes:
>>>
>>>> The record using a home made directional antenna at a hackers
>>>> convention in Las Vegas a couple of years ago was 51 miles.
>>>> Although I never learned if they were on top of a mountain or not.
>>>> I bet they were.
>>> details: http://www.wifiworldrecord.com/
>>
>> That's old hat. It was broken in Venezula the next year. The one you
>> linked to was 200km, the Venezuelan record is 279km using just a
>> pair of Linksys WRT54G's.
>>
>> +Update+
>>
>> That was in '06. I've just Googled the guy who did it (Ermanno
>> Pietrosemoli) and find that my info is old, his record got broken,
>> so he set a new one in June this year. 382km, or 238 miles for you
>> late adopters.
>
>
> http://www.eslared.org.ve/articulos/...Fi%20Trial.pdf
Amazing! And here I am trying to get my sister on my network just 800
feet away. LOL
Neil wrote:
> So, I was at the local sandwich shop last night, and I noticed I was able to
> pick up a signal from a local T-Mobile hotspot, which I have an account
> with. It was only one bar out of five. But I was able to connect to it and
> surf the web without any problems.
>
> I then looked up the hotspots in the area, and I saw that the closest one
> was a Fed-Ex/Kinkos about 2-3 blocks away. Measuring it on the map, I
> estimate it to be at least 800 feet from where I was.
>
> Is that normal for wi-fi routers to have such a large range? That seems a
> bit far to be picking up a wi-fi signal. The router was a little uphill from
> me, though not a very steep hill.
So, Neil
I think you were very successful getting responses for a stupid
question, and stretching it out by your responses.
For a troll you did very well.
I take it you don't have any friends to hang out with during winter
break from school.
> Neil wrote:
>> Is that normal for wi-fi routers to have such a large range? That
>> seems a bit far to be picking up a wi-fi signal. The router was a
>> little uphill from me, though not a very steep hill.
That's certainly a valid question for an inquiring mind.
curly Bill responded with
> So, Neil
> I think you were very successful getting responses for a stupid
> question, and stretching it out by your responses.
>
> For a troll you did very well.
And *I* think that you take perfectly valid questions to be trolling.
Somewhere on teh intarweb "BillW50" typed:
> In news:c7GdnQHAUIeUKfbanZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d@bt.com,
> LR typed on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:39:37 +0000:
>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "danny burstein" typed:
>>>> In <476b3134$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.co m> "BillW50"
>>>> <BillW50@aol.kom> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> The record using a home made directional antenna at a hackers
>>>>> convention in Las Vegas a couple of years ago was 51 miles.
>>>>> Although I never learned if they were on top of a mountain or not.
>>>>> I bet they were.
>>>> details: http://www.wifiworldrecord.com/
>>>
>>> That's old hat. It was broken in Venezula the next year. The one you
>>> linked to was 200km, the Venezuelan record is 279km using just a
>>> pair of Linksys WRT54G's.
>>>
>>> +Update+
>>>
>>> That was in '06. I've just Googled the guy who did it (Ermanno
>>> Pietrosemoli) and find that my info is old, his record got broken,
>>> so he set a new one in June this year. 382km, or 238 miles for you
>>> late adopters.
>>
>>
>> http://www.eslared.org.ve/articulos/...Fi%20Trial.pdf
>
> Amazing! And here I am trying to get my sister on my network just 800
> feet away. LOL
Google "cantenna".
--
TTFN,
Shaun.
"another academic failure.... trying to prove that your smart"
'blanking', nz.comp, 20 Dec 2007.
"your so predictable misfit"
'blanking', nz.comp, 21 Dec 2007.
In news:476da1f7@news2.actrix.gen.nz,
~misfit~ typed on Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:47:06 +1300:
> Somewhere on teh intarweb "BillW50" typed:
>> In news:c7GdnQHAUIeUKfbanZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d@bt.com,
>> LR typed on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:39:37 +0000:
>>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "danny burstein" typed:
>>>>> In <476b3134$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.co m> "BillW50"
>>>>> <BillW50@aol.kom> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The record using a home made directional antenna at a hackers
>>>>>> convention in Las Vegas a couple of years ago was 51 miles.
>>>>>> Although I never learned if they were on top of a mountain or
>>>>>> not. I bet they were.
>>>>> details: http://www.wifiworldrecord.com/
>>>>
>>>> That's old hat. It was broken in Venezula the next year. The one
>>>> you linked to was 200km, the Venezuelan record is 279km using just
>>>> a pair of Linksys WRT54G's.
>>>>
>>>> +Update+
>>>>
>>>> That was in '06. I've just Googled the guy who did it (Ermanno
>>>> Pietrosemoli) and find that my info is old, his record got broken,
>>>> so he set a new one in June this year. 382km, or 238 miles for you
>>>> late adopters.
>>>
>>> http://www.eslared.org.ve/articulos/...Fi%20Trial.pdf
>>
>> Amazing! And here I am trying to get my sister on my network just 800
>> feet away. LOL
>
> Google "cantenna".
BillW50 wrote:
>> Google "cantenna".
>
> Thanks Shaun!
Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
15 dBi backfire antennas for $30 or 19 dBi "BBQ" grid for $40.
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:32:02 GMT, DTC
<me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>BillW50 wrote:
>>> Google "cantenna".
>>
>> Thanks Shaun!
>
>Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
>unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
>around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
>
>15 dBi backfire antennas for $30 or 19 dBi "BBQ" grid for $40.
It would be nice to have a link to these.
Also, availability or price could vary per region, Shaun for
example is in New Zealand.
Somewhere on teh intarweb "kony" typed:
> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:32:02 GMT, DTC
> <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> Google "cantenna".
>>>
>>> Thanks Shaun!
>>
>> Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
>> unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
>> around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
Some people have more time than money. There's also the satisfation of doing
it yourself instead of just throwing money at it.
>> 15 dBi backfire antennas for $30 or 19 dBi "BBQ" grid for $40.
>
> It would be nice to have a link to these.
> Also, availability or price could vary per region, Shaun for
> example is in New Zealand.
Exactly. Even though we're just a few hours by 'plane from LA we only seem
to get <35% of the stuff that folks in the US have available to them
imported here.
--
TTFN,
Shaun.
"your a moron"
"Neoren", alt.drugs.hard. 20 Oct 2007
"another academic failure.... trying to prove that your smart"
'blanking', nz.comp, 20 Dec 2007.
"your so predictable misfit"
'blanking', nz.comp, 21 Dec 2007.
Somewhere on teh intarweb "BillW50" typed:
> In news:476da1f7@news2.actrix.gen.nz,
> ~misfit~ typed on Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:47:06 +1300:
>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "BillW50" typed:
>>> In news:c7GdnQHAUIeUKfbanZ2dnUVZ8qbinZ2d@bt.com,
>>> LR typed on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:39:37 +0000:
>>>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "danny burstein" typed:
>>>>>> In <476b3134$0$1348$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.co m> "BillW50"
>>>>>> <BillW50@aol.kom> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The record using a home made directional antenna at a hackers
>>>>>>> convention in Las Vegas a couple of years ago was 51 miles.
>>>>>>> Although I never learned if they were on top of a mountain or
>>>>>>> not. I bet they were.
>>>>>> details: http://www.wifiworldrecord.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> That's old hat. It was broken in Venezula the next year. The one
>>>>> you linked to was 200km, the Venezuelan record is 279km using just
>>>>> a pair of Linksys WRT54G's.
>>>>>
>>>>> +Update+
>>>>>
>>>>> That was in '06. I've just Googled the guy who did it (Ermanno
>>>>> Pietrosemoli) and find that my info is old, his record got broken,
>>>>> so he set a new one in June this year. 382km, or 238 miles for you
>>>>> late adopters.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eslared.org.ve/articulos/...Fi%20Trial.pdf
>>>
>>> Amazing! And here I am trying to get my sister on my network just
>>> 800 feet away. LOL
>>
>> Google "cantenna".
>
> Thanks Shaun!
You're welcome. Good luck. :-)
--
TTFN,
Shaun.
"your a moron"
"Neoren", alt.drugs.hard. 20 Oct 2007
"another academic failure.... trying to prove that your smart"
'blanking', nz.comp, 20 Dec 2007.
"your so predictable misfit"
'blanking', nz.comp, 21 Dec 2007.
kony wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:32:02 GMT, DTC
> <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>> BillW50 wrote:
>>>> Google "cantenna".
>>> Thanks Shaun!
>> Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
>> unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
>> around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
>>
>> 15 dBi backfire antennas for $30 or 19 dBi "BBQ" grid for $40.
>
>
> It would be nice to have a link to these.
> Also, availability or price could vary per region, Shaun for
> example is in New Zealand.
>>> Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
>>> unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
>>> around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
~misfit~ wrote:
> Some people have more time than money. There's also the satisfation of doing
> it yourself instead of just throwing money at it.
Granted, but without being able to definitely measure your
antenna's performance; its going to be a lot of trial and error.
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:17:23 -0500, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:32:02 GMT, DTC
><me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>>BillW50 wrote:
>>>> Google "cantenna".
>>>
>>> Thanks Shaun!
>>
>>Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
>>unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
>>around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
>>
>>15 dBi backfire antennas for $30 or 19 dBi "BBQ" grid for $40.
>
>
>It would be nice to have a link to these.
>Also, availability or price could vary per region, Shaun for
>example is in New Zealand.
<http://www.fab-corp.com/pages.php?pageid=3>
Our Shipping Q&A
Q: Where will you ship to?
A: We will ship anywhere we can legally ship to. Currently we can not
ship to Cuba, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Libya, and North Korea.
& for those wanting to build something:
<http://www.fab-corp.com/product.php?productid=1549&cat=264&page=1>
Build Your Own Cantenna Kit! - $12.95
Includes:
* 1 N Female Chassis Mount Connector
* 1 Pigtail of your choice below to connect to the N-Female
Chassis Mount.
Read their Shipping Q&A esp. concerning the Parabolic Grids.
<http://www.fab-corp.com/pages.php?pageid=3>
I've never used their services (yet).
Just posting links.
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 00:09:48 GMT, DTC
<me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>>>> Considering the time you spend building your own antenna with
>>>> unknown performance (not everyone has a 3 Gig SWR meter laying
>>>> around), you're better off buying a much better antenna.
>
>~misfit~ wrote:
>> Some people have more time than money. There's also the satisfation of doing
>> it yourself instead of just throwing money at it.
>
>Granted, but without being able to definitely measure your
>antenna's performance; its going to be a lot of trial and error.
>
A lot of wifi gear does have signal strength reporting
functionality. While it's not perfect, it's a good start.
Plus, in the end it is a matter of whether it suits the
need. If one needs 2 miles only then whether it couldn't
link at 20 miles versus a professional solution that could,
isn't necessarily important.
Just the other day I drive past an old satellite dish
someone was throwing away. I came quite close to chucking
the thing in my truck and rigging it with a router (acting
in access point mode) to see what kind of signals I'd pick
up. But alas, it's winter and too cold and icy to be up on
the roof and I'm the kind of person who needs to follow
through on a project fairly soon, if I had to wait a long
time it gets shelved and just clutters up the basement. I
HAVE to clean out my basement soon, LOL.
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