Wi-Fi's 'N' to Get Industry Group Nod

http://my.earthlink.net/article/tec?...08291356364315

"Dotty" <dot@pigtails.com> hath wroth:

>http://my.earthlink.net/article/tec?...08291356364315

That's great. The same vendors that have blocked approval of the
proposed 802.11n standard are now allegedly looking for certification
by some unknown consensus. Of course, Wi-Fi.org loves it because they
make money on certifications. They also get paid twice. Once for
Pre-N and again when the IEEE finally approves something.

Looks like 802.11n is scheduled for final working group approval in
Jan 2008. Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnn.....
| http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/1..._Timelines.htm
Perhaps trial by combat or a pistol duel might produce a suitable
winner in a shorter time period?

Time to bring back the Interop bake-off's for 802.11n compatibility
issues?

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I'm noticing the Dell laptops have the option of having Wireless - N
beta. When the real specs come out will these beta cards be able to be
flashed to make them compatible with the new standard.

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:52:02 -0700 Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:

| That's great. The same vendors that have blocked approval of the
| proposed 802.11n standard are now allegedly looking for certification

This continues to show why standards should be developed by individuals
with no industry ties. Wouldn't IEEE be able to arrange that?

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On 29 Aug 2006 10:51:54 -0700 Craig <craig_wilson_p@yahoo.com> wrote:

| I'm noticing the Dell laptops have the option of having Wireless - N
| beta. When the real specs come out will these beta cards be able to be
| flashed to make them compatible with the new standard.

Let us know what Dell says.

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phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2006 10:51:54 -0700 Craig <craig_wilson_p@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> | I'm noticing the Dell laptops have the option of having Wireless - N
> | beta. When the real specs come out will these beta cards be able to be
> | flashed to make them compatible with the new standard.
>
> Let us know what Dell says.
>
Netgear has something on this subject on there web page.

They say there not sure as they don't know what will be changed.

On 29 Aug 2006 20:14:00 GMT, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:52:02 -0700 Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:
>
>| That's great. The same vendors that have blocked approval of the
>| proposed 802.11n standard are now allegedly looking for certification
>
>This continues to show why standards should be developed by individuals
>with no industry ties. Wouldn't IEEE be able to arrange that?

You mean academics? I suspect you've never sat in on a standards
committee mailing list or meeting. I did long long ago and consider
it the 2nd worst disappointments in my technical career. (The worst
was playing technical editor for a Unix book).

The corporate representatives are anxious to move things along. They
want product they can ship immediately or sooner. The academics are
anxious to generate research projects. Wanna guess which one will
deliver quicker?

Other candidates without industry ties are government officials and
representatives of environmental and litigatory groups. The
governments are only concerned that everything that's passed can be
regulated, taxes, controlled, or killed. The attorneys agendas are
obvious and require no explanation.

Did I miss any individuals without industry ties?

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On 29 Aug 2006 10:51:54 -0700, "Craig" <craig_wilson_p@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I'm noticing the Dell laptops have the option of having Wireless - N
>beta. When the real specs come out will these beta cards be able to be
>flashed to make them compatible with the new standard.

Is that a question or a statement?

To the best of my limited knowledge, from information leaked from
dubious sources, and using the alpha version of my crysal ball, it's
highly likely that anything you buy today will NOT be compatible with
anything sold in the future by Dell. The inability to buy refilled or
replacement toner and ink cartridges for Dell printers from anyone
other than Dell, should give you a clue as to their current mindset.
It would be nice if the Pre-N stuff was compatible with the Jan 2008
version, and I suspect Dell might make the effort to protect their
customers investment, but chances are very high that it's not going to
happen.


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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:45:49 GMT, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in
<95k9f2dqmnc03mk1s4npdueqkj4sk3p374@4ax.com>:

>On 29 Aug 2006 20:14:00 GMT, phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:52:02 -0700 Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote:
>>
>>| That's great. The same vendors that have blocked approval of the
>>| proposed 802.11n standard are now allegedly looking for certification
>>
>>This continues to show why standards should be developed by individuals
>>with no industry ties. Wouldn't IEEE be able to arrange that?
>
>You mean academics? I suspect you've never sat in on a standards
>committee mailing list or meeting. I did long long ago and consider
>it the 2nd worst disappointments in my technical career. (The worst
>was playing technical editor for a Unix book).
>
>The corporate representatives are anxious to move things along. They
>want product they can ship immediately or sooner. The academics are
>anxious to generate research projects. Wanna guess which one will
>deliver quicker?
>
>Other candidates without industry ties are government officials and
>representatives of environmental and litigatory groups. The
>governments are only concerned that everything that's passed can be
>regulated, taxes, controlled, or killed. The attorneys agendas are
>obvious and require no explanation.
>
>Did I miss any individuals without industry ties?

Phil's hand is raised. ;)
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