Re: Will 802.11b Adapter Work with 802.11g Router?
phil6666 <phil6666@adelphia.net> hath wroth:
>Bought a new laptop with VISTA which wouldn't connect with the Netgear
>Wireless Router MR814v2 since this router's not VISTA compatible.
Nope. Vista is not router compatible. See:
"Windows Vista cannot obtain an IP address from certain routers or
from certain non-Microsoft DHCP servers"
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233>
You might check if there's a firmware update to your routers as this
problem was "solved" by the router manufactures, since it's beneath
Microsoft's dignity to admit that they screwed up.
Re: Will 802.11b Adapter Work with 802.11g Router?
"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
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> phil6666 <phil6666@adelphia.net> hath wroth:
>
>>Bought a new laptop with VISTA which wouldn't connect with the Netgear
>>Wireless Router MR814v2 since this router's not VISTA compatible.
>
> Nope. Vista is not router compatible. See:
> "Windows Vista cannot obtain an IP address from certain routers or
> from certain non-Microsoft DHCP servers"
> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233>
> You might check if there's a firmware update to your routers as this
> problem was "solved" by the router manufactures, since it's beneath
> Microsoft's dignity to admit that they screwed up.
>
I guess Microsoft didn't get the memo about how DHCP should just be a simple
standard and not rocket surgery....
Re: Will 802.11b Adapter Work with 802.11g Router?
OK...now I'm even more confused!!
I already replaced the non-VISTA compatible Netgear router with a
VISTA compatible Belkin!
As I said earlier:
>Had a Netgear Wireless Router MR814v2 (802.11b) hooked to a VISTA PC
>and it worked fine with an XP PC using a Netgear MA101 (802.11b)
>adapter.
>Bought a new laptop with VISTA which wouldn't connect with the Netgear
>Wireless Router MR814v2 since this router's not VISTA compatible.
>I just got a VISTA compatible Belkin F5D7230-4 (802.11g) router and the laptop works fine.
>
>Now my XP PC with a Netgear MA101 (802.11b) adapter recognizes the
>Belkin router, but won't connect. (firewall is off)
>
>Security set to NONE on router.
Are you guys saying my XP PC with a Netgear MA101 (802.11b) adapter
won't work with my VISTA PC/Belkin VISTA compatible router????
That's my guess, but I didn't think that would be an issue.
thnx
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:28:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>phil6666 <phil6666@adelphia.net> hath wroth:
>
>>Bought a new laptop with VISTA which wouldn't connect with the Netgear
>>Wireless Router MR814v2 since this router's not VISTA compatible.
>
>Nope. Vista is not router compatible. See:
>"Windows Vista cannot obtain an IP address from certain routers or
>from certain non-Microsoft DHCP servers"
><http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233>
>You might check if there's a firmware update to your routers as this
>problem was "solved" by the router manufactures, since it's beneath
>Microsoft's dignity to admit that they screwed up.
Re: Will 802.11b Adapter Work with 802.11g Router?
phil6666 <phil6666@adelphia.net> hath wroth:
>OK...now I'm even more confused!!
That's because you have presented two issues.
- 802.11b client with 802.11g router.
- Vista compatibility.
>I already replaced the non-VISTA compatible Netgear router with a
>VISTA compatible Belkin!
There's no such thing as "Vista compatible". There's the lame
Microsoft DHCP glitch, which is easily fixed, but everything else is
the same with XP and Vista. My guess is that "Vista compatible" is a
sales gimick.
>Are you guys saying my XP PC with a Netgear MA101 (802.11b) adapter
>won't work with my VISTA PC/Belkin VISTA compatible router????
- Your XP PC with whatever you own, will work with either the Netgear
or Belkin routers.
- Your Vista PC will not get a DHCP assigned IP address unless this
was fixed in the firmware of either router, *OR* you apply the fix I
mentioned.
<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233>
However, I suggest that you consider getting something better and
faster than the Netgear MA101. 802.11b only clients tend to slow
everything down on a wireless network. It's not just that the 802.11b
devices are slow, it's that they hog so much airtime that the 802.11g
devices have little time left to move their traffic. I wrote
something on the topic recently:
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.internet.wireless/msg/5f4025e60ba4c135>
Re: Will 802.11b Adapter Work with 802.11g Router?
OK...you said:
>- Your XP PC with whatever you own, will work with either the Netgear
>or Belkin routers.
Unfortunately it worked when I used the Netgear 802.11b router, but
doesn't work with the Belkin 802.11g router!!??
If I understand correctly, it then must be a problem with some setting
somewhere.
Any suggestions on what to try next?
I'd be happy to replace the Netgear MA101 with an 802.11g adapter if I
thought it would solve the problem.
I read your article......an 802.11g adapter should make a performance
improvement, but do you think that it would make a connection if the
Netgear MA101 doesn't connect?
thnx!!
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:23:22 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>phil6666 <phil6666@adelphia.net> hath wroth:
>
>>OK...now I'm even more confused!!
>
>That's because you have presented two issues.
>- 802.11b client with 802.11g router.
>- Vista compatibility.
>
>>I already replaced the non-VISTA compatible Netgear router with a
>>VISTA compatible Belkin!
>
>There's no such thing as "Vista compatible". There's the lame
>Microsoft DHCP glitch, which is easily fixed, but everything else is
>the same with XP and Vista. My guess is that "Vista compatible" is a
>sales gimick.
>
>>Are you guys saying my XP PC with a Netgear MA101 (802.11b) adapter
>>won't work with my VISTA PC/Belkin VISTA compatible router????
>
>- Your XP PC with whatever you own, will work with either the Netgear
>or Belkin routers.
>- Your Vista PC will not get a DHCP assigned IP address unless this
>was fixed in the firmware of either router, *OR* you apply the fix I
>mentioned.
><http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233>
>
>However, I suggest that you consider getting something better and
>faster than the Netgear MA101. 802.11b only clients tend to slow
>everything down on a wireless network. It's not just that the 802.11b
>devices are slow, it's that they hog so much airtime that the 802.11g
>devices have little time left to move their traffic. I wrote
>something on the topic recently:
><http://groups.google.com/group/alt.internet.wireless/msg/5f4025e60ba4c135>
Re: Will 802.11b Adapter Work with 802.11g Router?
phil6666 <phil6666@adelphia.net> hath wroth:
>>- Your XP PC with whatever you own, will work with either the Netgear
>>or Belkin routers.
>
>Unfortunately it worked when I used the Netgear 802.11b router, but
>doesn't work with the Belkin 802.11g router!!??
Is "it" the XP computer or the Vista computer.
If the Vista computer, did you try the DHCP fix I suggested twice?
If the XP computer, see next paragraph on WEP.
>If I understand correctly, it then must be a problem with some setting
>somewhere.
Maybe. You didn't say anything about encryption. There's a very
common problem with WEP encryption and converting from ASCII to Hex.
If you're using WEP, try using a Hex key instead of ASCII.
Also, if using WEP, be advised that WEP security sucks. If possible,
switch to WPA-PSK (also known as WPA-Personal).
Can I assume that you've check the manufacturers web sites for
firmware updates on both routers and all your clients? If not, do it.
Driver and firmware updates tend to solve many mysterious problems.
>Any suggestions on what to try next?
Yep. Reset everything to defaults, turn off encryption, turn off any
turbo-G, afterburner, faster than 54Mbits/sec, modes in the wireless
routers. Just basic 802.11b/g.
For your 802.11b client, try setting the various routers to 802.11b
mode only and see if that magically works. There seems to be a
problem with the "mixed" mode on some routers.
>I'd be happy to replace the Netgear MA101 with an 802.11g adapter if I
>thought it would solve the problem.
It may not solve this problem, but it will solve the problem you're
about to have with performance. Keep trying to make it work, but at
some point, I suggest you move on to something faster.
>I read your article......an 802.11g adapter should make a performance
>improvement, but do you think that it would make a connection if the
>Netgear MA101 doesn't connect?
Ummm... yes. Anything that's Wi-Fi compatible and blessed by the
Wi-Fi alliance should connect. That's the whole idea behind Wi-Fi
compatibility. However, there are various ways to screw things up. MS
has their DHCP screwup. The chipset vendors have their WEP ASCII to
Hex conversion screwup. The various chipset vendors are addicted to
large numbers, so have added protocols beyond 802.11g that sometimes
screwup. What I'm suggesting is that your reduce your complications
to the bare minimum, and try again. It should work.
Re: Will 802.11b Adapter Work with 802.11g Router?
My XP computer with the MA101 worked when I used the Netgear 802.11b
router, but doesn't work with the Belkin 802.11g router!!??
Firewall and encryption turned off.
Driver updated.
Tried router with 802.11b only.
Uninstalled MA101 software and re-installed.
Still doesn't connect!
Can't even see how to change any configuration options for this
adapter!!??
I suppose a new 802.11g adapter is my next try........
Any other thoughts???
Thanks for trying!!!!!!
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:01:44 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>phil6666 <phil6666@adelphia.net> hath wroth:
>
>>>- Your XP PC with whatever you own, will work with either the Netgear
>>>or Belkin routers.
>>
>>Unfortunately it worked when I used the Netgear 802.11b router, but
>>doesn't work with the Belkin 802.11g router!!??
>
>Is "it" the XP computer or the Vista computer.
>If the Vista computer, did you try the DHCP fix I suggested twice?
>If the XP computer, see next paragraph on WEP.
>
>>If I understand correctly, it then must be a problem with some setting
>>somewhere.
>
>Maybe. You didn't say anything about encryption. There's a very
>common problem with WEP encryption and converting from ASCII to Hex.
>If you're using WEP, try using a Hex key instead of ASCII.
>
>Also, if using WEP, be advised that WEP security sucks. If possible,
>switch to WPA-PSK (also known as WPA-Personal).
>
>Can I assume that you've check the manufacturers web sites for
>firmware updates on both routers and all your clients? If not, do it.
>Driver and firmware updates tend to solve many mysterious problems.
>
>>Any suggestions on what to try next?
>
>Yep. Reset everything to defaults, turn off encryption, turn off any
>turbo-G, afterburner, faster than 54Mbits/sec, modes in the wireless
>routers. Just basic 802.11b/g.
>
>For your 802.11b client, try setting the various routers to 802.11b
>mode only and see if that magically works. There seems to be a
>problem with the "mixed" mode on some routers.
>
>>I'd be happy to replace the Netgear MA101 with an 802.11g adapter if I
>>thought it would solve the problem.
>
>It may not solve this problem, but it will solve the problem you're
>about to have with performance. Keep trying to make it work, but at
>some point, I suggest you move on to something faster.
>
>>I read your article......an 802.11g adapter should make a performance
>>improvement, but do you think that it would make a connection if the
>>Netgear MA101 doesn't connect?
>
>Ummm... yes. Anything that's Wi-Fi compatible and blessed by the
>Wi-Fi alliance should connect. That's the whole idea behind Wi-Fi
>compatibility. However, there are various ways to screw things up. MS
>has their DHCP screwup. The chipset vendors have their WEP ASCII to
>Hex conversion screwup. The various chipset vendors are addicted to
>large numbers, so have added protocols beyond 802.11g that sometimes
>screwup. What I'm suggesting is that your reduce your complications
>to the bare minimum, and try again. It should work.
Re: Will 802.11b Adapter Work with 802.11g Router?
It really seems like the B adapter connection problem would be in the
settings of the new router.
The obvious, which it appears you have checked, is if the new router
is set to "G-only"
Another one is if you have WPA encryption that your B adapter won't
handle. You say you have security off.
Another possibility would be in the IP address assignment, gateway,
things like that. After re-installing the adapter, it should be set
for DHCP, but you could check that to make sure you are automatically
getting your IP and DNS addys from the router.
To change the options, open network connections and get to the
properties for that connection/adapter. See if Windows is handling it
or not. If not, then go to the start menu and try to find the
adapter's utility software and open that.
Complete reset of the router, as Jeff suggested is in order.
Still, best to just buy the G adapter and move up to WPA. The odd
problem, whatever it is, will probably go away with the change.
Re: Will 802.11b Adapter Work with 802.11g Router?
Reset the router to initial settings- no help.
Went to Adapter configuration, but everything was "greyed out."
Uninstalled the software.
Reinstalled.....wizard goes to completion, but there's nothing in the
MA101 folder in Program Files!!??
Going to setup on the CD and manually starting doesn't help.
Not sure what's going on....the instructions are specifically listed
for XP computers!!!???
Time for a new 802.11g adapter?????
Just hope it works!!!
Any other ideas?????????????????????????????
thnx
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:15:48 -0700, seaweedsteve
<seaweedsteve@gmail.com> wrote:
>It really seems like the B adapter connection problem would be in the
>settings of the new router.
>
>The obvious, which it appears you have checked, is if the new router
>is set to "G-only"
>
>Another one is if you have WPA encryption that your B adapter won't
>handle. You say you have security off.
>
>Another possibility would be in the IP address assignment, gateway,
>things like that. After re-installing the adapter, it should be set
>for DHCP, but you could check that to make sure you are automatically
>getting your IP and DNS addys from the router.
>
>To change the options, open network connections and get to the
>properties for that connection/adapter. See if Windows is handling it
>or not. If not, then go to the start menu and try to find the
>adapter's utility software and open that.
>
>Complete reset of the router, as Jeff suggested is in order.
>
>Still, best to just buy the G adapter and move up to WPA. The odd
>problem, whatever it is, will probably go away with the change.
>
>Steve
Since my Netgear Wireless Router MR814v2 (802.11b) worked fine with
the XP PC using a Netgear MA101 (802.11b) adapter before I bought the
Belkin 802.11g router, can I hook the Netgear router up to the Belkin
router and have any hope of getting the Netgear MA101 (802.11b)
adapter on the XP computer to actually work again?????.
On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:07:04 -0400, phil6666 <phil6666@adelphia.net>
wrote:
>
>Reset the router to initial settings- no help.
>
>Went to Adapter configuration, but everything was "greyed out."
>
>Uninstalled the software.
>
>Reinstalled.....wizard goes to completion, but there's nothing in the
>MA101 folder in Program Files!!??
>
>Going to setup on the CD and manually starting doesn't help.
>
>Not sure what's going on....the instructions are specifically listed
>for XP computers!!!???
>
>Time for a new 802.11g adapter?????
>
>Just hope it works!!!
>
>Any other ideas?????????????????????????????
>
>thnx
>
>On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:15:48 -0700, seaweedsteve
><seaweedsteve@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>It really seems like the B adapter connection problem would be in the
>>settings of the new router.
>>
>>The obvious, which it appears you have checked, is if the new router
>>is set to "G-only"
>>
>>Another one is if you have WPA encryption that your B adapter won't
>>handle. You say you have security off.
>>
>>Another possibility would be in the IP address assignment, gateway,
>>things like that. After re-installing the adapter, it should be set
>>for DHCP, but you could check that to make sure you are automatically
>>getting your IP and DNS addys from the router.
>>
>>To change the options, open network connections and get to the
>>properties for that connection/adapter. See if Windows is handling it
>>or not. If not, then go to the start menu and try to find the
>>adapter's utility software and open that.
>>
>>Complete reset of the router, as Jeff suggested is in order.
>>
>>Still, best to just buy the G adapter and move up to WPA. The odd
>>problem, whatever it is, will probably go away with the change.
>>
>>Steve
Re: Will 802.11b Adapter Work with 802.11g Router?
On Aug 2, 5:07 pm, phil6666 <phil6...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Went to Adapter configuration, but everything was "greyed out."
>
Yep. Sounds like a driver/utility problem mix-up for that adapter.
Possibly combined with wrong settings that you can't change. I get
this sometimes. Between windows zero configuration and the utility
and I don't know what else, they get screwed up. Sometimes there is
another wireless adapter installed and they affect the settings for
each other.
No luck finding the utility under the Start menu?
Is there anyother wireless device installed?
Can you find anything for it as a running process? (ctrl/alt/delete)
Another place to look is in services. Start>run>services.msc look
for the utility in question to see if it is started. Also see if
Windows zero config is running. Make sure one is running.
Finally, go to support for Netgear and detail your problem and/or look
it up in their forums/knowledgebase if they have them. There should be
some more specific help there.
Oh, one more thing. Uninstall everything. Install another adapter.
Once it works, reinstall the netgear. This may fix it.
This is why I have two USB adapters and two pcmcia cards. Easier to
swap them out sometimes to work around or help diagnose the problem.
On Aug 2, 11:22 pm, phil6666 <phil6...@adelphia.net> wrote:
> One final question-
>
> Since my Netgear Wireless Router MR814v2 (802.11b) worked fine with
> the XP PC using a Netgear MA101 (802.11b) adapter before I bought the
> Belkin 802.11g router, can I hook the Netgear router up to the Belkin
> router and have any hope of getting the Netgear MA101 (802.11b)
> adapter on the XP computer to actually work again?????.
Yep. Just run from a LAN on the Belkin to a LAN on the netgear. Turn
off DHCP and firewall on the Netgear. Give it an address in the same
subnet as the Belkin but outside Belkin's DHCP range. Set it to a
different channel from the Belkin.
I suspect that your adapter is not going to work anymore with the
netgear either anymore until you find the driver/utility problem.
But, if it does, check the netgear settings to see what is different
from the Belkin.
I simply hooked my old Netgear router up to an open port on my new
Belkin router.
Within seconds, the old Netgear adapter on the XP computer was happier
than a pig in sh.t.
So, what did I learn-
1) My new Dell laptop refused to work with the old Netgear router, no
matter what.
2) My new Belkin router worked instantly with the laptop, but not the
old Netgear adapter on the XP computer, not what matter I tried.
3) Hooking my old Netgear router up to an open port on my new Belkin
router solved the problem with the old Netgear adapter on the XP
computer instantly.
I suppose you just shouldn't try to mix old and new technologies
unless you have a tremendous amount of time/expertise!!!!!!
thnx
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:00:20 -0700, seaweedsteve
<seaweedsteve@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 2, 11:22 pm, phil6666 <phil6...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> One final question-
>>
>> Since my Netgear Wireless Router MR814v2 (802.11b) worked fine with
>> the XP PC using a Netgear MA101 (802.11b) adapter before I bought the
>> Belkin 802.11g router, can I hook the Netgear router up to the Belkin
>> router and have any hope of getting the Netgear MA101 (802.11b)
>> adapter on the XP computer to actually work again?????.
>
>
>Yep. Just run from a LAN on the Belkin to a LAN on the netgear. Turn
>off DHCP and firewall on the Netgear. Give it an address in the same
>subnet as the Belkin but outside Belkin's DHCP range. Set it to a
>different channel from the Belkin.
>
>I suspect that your adapter is not going to work anymore with the
>netgear either anymore until you find the driver/utility problem.
>But, if it does, check the netgear settings to see what is different
>from the Belkin.
>
>Steve
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