I need to connect a xbox (original) to a wireless network, the official
xbox 1 wireless adapter is quite hard to come by so I am thinking about
an ethernet wireless bridge.
Does anyone have any experience with these ?, reccomendations would be
helpful to0.
Eps wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need to connect a xbox (original) to a wireless network, the
> official xbox 1 wireless adapter is quite hard to come by so I am
> thinking about an ethernet wireless bridge.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with these ?, reccomendations would be
> helpful to0.
>
> Any help appreciated.
Are you trying to use your own connection, or are you trying to use someone
elses wireless free?
if on the off chance you are trying to connect to your own, there are many
other types of bridges other than "wireless",
here's a couple from netgear (other companies make/sell em, just happen to
have those links handy)
Peter Pan wrote:
> Eps wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need to connect a xbox (original) to a wireless network, the
>> official xbox 1 wireless adapter is quite hard to come by so I am
>> thinking about an ethernet wireless bridge.
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience with these ?, reccomendations would be
>> helpful to0.
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>
> Are you trying to use your own connection, or are you trying to use someone
> elses wireless free?
>
> if on the off chance you are trying to connect to your own, there are many
> other types of bridges other than "wireless",
> here's a couple from netgear (other companies make/sell em, just happen to
> have those links handy)
>
> powerline
> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe...tAdapters.aspx
>
> coax
> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe...king/Coax.aspx
I have a wireless connection (yes it is mine).
I have an original xbox that I want to use as a media center, original
xbox's do not have wireless adapters, you can buy them but they are
quite hard to come by now.
I want to connect my xbox to my wireless connection (the one that my
other computers are connected to) but the xbox only has an ethernet
connection (no I can't plug my xbox into the router, its impractical).
Hence I need a wireless ethernet bridge, I don't see how your
suggestions would help me at all.
Eps wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> Eps wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I need to connect a xbox (original) to a wireless network, the
>>> official xbox 1 wireless adapter is quite hard to come by so I am
>>> thinking about an ethernet wireless bridge.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any experience with these ?, reccomendations would
>>> be helpful to0.
>>>
>>> Any help appreciated.
>>
>> Are you trying to use your own connection, or are you trying to use
>> someone elses wireless free?
>>
>> if on the off chance you are trying to connect to your own, there
>> are many other types of bridges other than "wireless",
>> here's a couple from netgear (other companies make/sell em, just
>> happen to have those links handy)
>>
>> powerline
>> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe...tAdapters.aspx
>>
>> coax
>> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe...king/Coax.aspx
>
> I have a wireless connection (yes it is mine).
>
> I have an original xbox that I want to use as a media center, original
> xbox's do not have wireless adapters, you can buy them but they are
> quite hard to come by now.
>
> I want to connect my xbox to my wireless connection (the one that my
> other computers are connected to) but the xbox only has an ethernet
> connection (no I can't plug my xbox into the router, its impractical).
>
> Hence I need a wireless ethernet bridge, I don't see how your
> suggestions would help me at all.
if you have your own network, you probably just want to bridge it to the
xbox location (wired instead of wireless, ie router to xbox, ethernet plug
on the router to the ethernet plug on the xbox).. don't know why you think
you need a WIRELESS bridge since you aren't trying to bridge access from
somone elses wireless network (thats why I asked if it was YOUR wireless
network or somone elses, easy to jack into the router on your own network
and do a wired bridge, whole nother can of worms to do wireless bridging)...
I use the powerline stuff above (essentially a WIRED ethernet bridge, using
the powerline instead of running a network cable, one unit at the wap/router
plugged into the router and ac, and the other plugged into an ac socket in
my LR)
* Turns any electrical power outlet into an Ethernet network connection
* Delivers fast 85 Mbps speed?
* For use with both wired and wireless routers and gateways
* Simply plug one XET1001 into your router and another XET1001 into any
Ethernet-ready device1
* Connect a desktop, notebook PC, gaming console, NETGEAR Storage
Central (SC101), SlingboxT, a DVR or NETGEAR Print Server (PS121)
* Data encryption ensures privacy and security
* Supports Windows® VistaT
* HomePlug compatible
note the line above,
* Connect a desktop, notebook PC, gaming console, NETGEAR Storage Central
(SC101), SlingboxT, a DVR or NETGEAR Print Server
> if you have your own network, you probably just want to bridge it to the
> xbox location (wired instead of wireless, ie router to xbox, ethernet plug
> on the router to the ethernet plug on the xbox).. don't know why you think
> you need a WIRELESS bridge since you aren't trying to bridge access from
> somone elses wireless network (thats why I asked if it was YOUR wireless
> network or somone elses, easy to jack into the router on your own network
> and do a wired bridge, whole nother can of worms to do wireless bridging)...
Are you serious ?, I can't plug the xbox into the router, well actually
I could but then I would have a cable running through the house. Since
I have a wireless network, I want to connect it wirelessly, its not that
odd really.
I have heard powerline stuff can be unreliable, the house is a bit old
and the power seems a little shaky without trying to use it to send and
receive data.
I think I will keep looking for a wireless ethernet bridge.
> Are you serious ?, I can't plug the xbox into the router, well actually I
> could but then I would have a cable running through the house. Since I
> have a wireless network, I want to connect it wirelessly, its not that odd
> really.
>
> I have heard powerline stuff can be unreliable, the house is a bit old and
> the power seems a little shaky without trying to use it to send and
> receive data.
>
> I think I will keep looking for a wireless ethernet bridge.
They're usually refered to as 'gaming adapters'. They've got a wired
ethernet port on one end and then a wifi radio. You usually configure them
using a wired PC first. Then attach it to the game console via wired
ethernet. They act as a transparent bridge to whatever ethernet device is
plugged into the wired point. The wired cable can be longer than just a few
feet (up to the 300' ethernet max) as that might help gain better wifi
connection strength.
Some folks claim to have success with the powerline devices. I've seen too
many of them die to put up with them ever again.
Eps wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> Eps wrote:
>>> Peter Pan wrote:
>
>> if you have your own network, you probably just want to bridge it to
>> the xbox location (wired instead of wireless, ie router to xbox,
>> ethernet plug on the router to the ethernet plug on the xbox)..
>> don't know why you think you need a WIRELESS bridge since you aren't
>> trying to bridge access from somone elses wireless network (thats
>> why I asked if it was YOUR wireless network or somone elses, easy to
>> jack into the router on your own network and do a wired bridge,
>> whole nother can of worms to do wireless bridging)...
>
> Are you serious ?, I can't plug the xbox into the router, well
> actually I could but then I would have a cable running through the
> house. Since I have a wireless network, I want to connect it
> wirelessly, its not that odd really.
>
> I have heard powerline stuff can be unreliable, the house is a bit old
> and the power seems a little shaky without trying to use it to send
> and receive data.
>
> I think I will keep looking for a wireless ethernet bridge.
From what you describe, you may actually want a wireless gaming adapter,
rather than a bridge....
lots available, like this one.. (many others, this link just specifically
mentioned xbox) http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WGA600N
Plug and Play
Connects to your Ethernet-enabled Xbox, PlayStation, GameCube or other
Ethernet-enabled gaming consoles - no drivers required.
be aware, that you usually need a pc to configure it...
Minimum Requirements
* Network-Ready Game Console
* PC with CD-ROM Drive (For Setup Only)
* Wireless Access Point or Router (Draft 802.11n, 802.11a, 802.11g or
802.11b Compliant) or Additional Dual-Band Wireless-G Gaming
* Adapter for LAN Party Gaming
* Internet Service Required for Online Gaming)
"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info> wrote in message
news:4YOdnW2Y6codzubUnZ2dnUVZ_s3inZ2d@earthlink.co m...
> Eps wrote:
>> Peter Pan wrote:
>>> Eps wrote:
>>>> Peter Pan wrote:
>>
>>> if you have your own network, you probably just want to bridge it to
>>> the xbox location (wired instead of wireless, ie router to xbox,
>>> ethernet plug on the router to the ethernet plug on the xbox)..
>>> don't know why you think you need a WIRELESS bridge since you aren't
>>> trying to bridge access from somone elses wireless network (thats
>>> why I asked if it was YOUR wireless network or somone elses, easy to
>>> jack into the router on your own network and do a wired bridge,
>>> whole nother can of worms to do wireless bridging)...
>>
>> Are you serious ?, I can't plug the xbox into the router, well
>> actually I could but then I would have a cable running through the
>> house. Since I have a wireless network, I want to connect it
>> wirelessly, its not that odd really.
>>
>> I have heard powerline stuff can be unreliable, the house is a bit old
>> and the power seems a little shaky without trying to use it to send
>> and receive data.
>>
>> I think I will keep looking for a wireless ethernet bridge.
>
> From what you describe, you may actually want a wireless gaming adapter,
> rather than a bridge....
> lots available, like this one.. (many others, this link just specifically
> mentioned xbox)
> http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WGA600N
> Plug and Play
>
> Connects to your Ethernet-enabled Xbox, PlayStation, GameCube or other
> Ethernet-enabled gaming consoles - no drivers required.
>
> be aware, that you usually need a pc to configure it...
> Minimum Requirements
>
> * Network-Ready Game Console
> * PC with CD-ROM Drive (For Setup Only)
> * Wireless Access Point or Router (Draft 802.11n, 802.11a, 802.11g or
> 802.11b Compliant) or Additional Dual-Band Wireless-G Gaming
> * Adapter for LAN Party Gaming
> * Internet Service Required for Online Gaming)
>
simple answer -
I'm using an old Linksys WET11 (802.11b model) in our family room.
or the WET54G for the 802.11g model
It has a single Ethernet jack, which I have connected next to a small 5-port
hub/switch
and cabled to our Tivo (series 2) and xbox 360...
I also use the connection when I have someone's PC they want looked at...
just spread everything on the floor in the family room and run a cable to
the hub.
The WAP and router are upstairs in an extra bedroom where the rest of the
computers reside.
ps56k wrote:
> "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info> wrote in message
> news:4YOdnW2Y6codzubUnZ2dnUVZ_s3inZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>> Eps wrote:
>>> Peter Pan wrote:
>>>> Eps wrote:
>>>>> Peter Pan wrote:
>>>> if you have your own network, you probably just want to bridge it to
>>>> the xbox location (wired instead of wireless, ie router to xbox,
>>>> ethernet plug on the router to the ethernet plug on the xbox)..
>>>> don't know why you think you need a WIRELESS bridge since you aren't
>>>> trying to bridge access from somone elses wireless network (thats
>>>> why I asked if it was YOUR wireless network or somone elses, easy to
>>>> jack into the router on your own network and do a wired bridge,
>>>> whole nother can of worms to do wireless bridging)...
>>> Are you serious ?, I can't plug the xbox into the router, well
>>> actually I could but then I would have a cable running through the
>>> house. Since I have a wireless network, I want to connect it
>>> wirelessly, its not that odd really.
>>>
>>> I have heard powerline stuff can be unreliable, the house is a bit old
>>> and the power seems a little shaky without trying to use it to send
>>> and receive data.
>>>
>>> I think I will keep looking for a wireless ethernet bridge.
>> From what you describe, you may actually want a wireless gaming adapter,
>> rather than a bridge....
>> lots available, like this one.. (many others, this link just specifically
>> mentioned xbox)
>> http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WGA600N
>> Plug and Play
>>
>> Connects to your Ethernet-enabled Xbox, PlayStation, GameCube or other
>> Ethernet-enabled gaming consoles - no drivers required.
>>
>> be aware, that you usually need a pc to configure it...
>> Minimum Requirements
>>
>> * Network-Ready Game Console
>> * PC with CD-ROM Drive (For Setup Only)
>> * Wireless Access Point or Router (Draft 802.11n, 802.11a, 802.11g or
>> 802.11b Compliant) or Additional Dual-Band Wireless-G Gaming
>> * Adapter for LAN Party Gaming
>> * Internet Service Required for Online Gaming)
>>
>
> simple answer -
> I'm using an old Linksys WET11 (802.11b model) in our family room.
> or the WET54G for the 802.11g model
> It has a single Ethernet jack, which I have connected next to a small 5-port
> hub/switch
> and cabled to our Tivo (series 2) and xbox 360...
> I also use the connection when I have someone's PC they want looked at...
> just spread everything on the floor in the family room and run a cable to
> the hub.
>
> The WAP and router are upstairs in an extra bedroom where the rest of the
> computers reside.
>
>
Or an old Linksys WRT54G router (which has 4 ports) flashed with DD-WRT
and configured to "Client Bridge" mode, which is what I use to connect a
TiVo and a Slingbox to my main wireless router on the other side of the
house.
On 21 Jan, 11:23, Eps <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need to connect a xbox (original) to a wireless network, the official
> xbox 1 wireless adapter is quite hard to come by so I am thinking about
> an ethernet wireless bridge.
>
> Does anyone have any experience with these ?, reccomendations would be
> helpful to0.
Any ethernet2wireless bridge which is able to function as a client
would do just fine. If you're scared you will end up with crap, get a
known brand.
Chrisjoy wrote:
> On 21 Jan, 11:23, Eps <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need to connect a xbox (original) to a wireless network, the official
>> xbox 1 wireless adapter is quite hard to come by so I am thinking about
>> an ethernet wireless bridge.
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience with these ?, reccomendations would be
>> helpful to0.
>
> Any ethernet2wireless bridge which is able to function as a client
> would do just fine. If you're scared you will end up with crap, get a
> known brand.
Just want something cheap to be honest, they all seem very expensive.
Eps wrote:
> Chrisjoy wrote:
>> On 21 Jan, 11:23, Eps <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I need to connect a xbox (original) to a wireless network, the
>>> official xbox 1 wireless adapter is quite hard to come by so I am
>>> thinking about an ethernet wireless bridge.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any experience with these ?, reccomendations would
>>> be helpful to0.
>>
>> Any ethernet2wireless bridge which is able to function as a client
>> would do just fine. If you're scared you will end up with crap, get a
>> known brand.
>
> Just want something cheap to be honest, they all seem very expensive.
Unfortunately, you are running into the failure to communicate.... Like
1k=1000 cept in puters where it is 1024, a gamer calls what you want a
wireless ethernet bridge, and computer people call them game adapters...
unfortunately, they don't work the same, don't talk/communicate with each
other the way you would expect, and if you get computer termed wireless
ethernet bridge for your game, it will NOT be the same/work the same as a
wireless ethernet bridge for computers....
Seems to me that even if you get the cheapest wrong thing first and then get
the cheapest right thing, it will be more than just getting the cheapest
right thing in the first place....
> Unfortunately, you are running into the failure to communicate.... Like
> 1k=1000 cept in puters where it is 1024, a gamer calls what you want a
> wireless ethernet bridge, and computer people call them game adapters...
> unfortunately, they don't work the same, don't talk/communicate with each
> other the way you would expect, and if you get computer termed wireless
> ethernet bridge for your game, it will NOT be the same/work the same as a
> wireless ethernet bridge for computers....
> Seems to me that even if you get the cheapest wrong thing first and then get
> the cheapest right thing, it will be more than just getting the cheapest
> right thing in the first place....
What ?, most of the wireless ether bridges claim to work with consoles
like the ps2 and xbox, just as the wireless gaming adapters do.
The point is the xbox has an ethernet port, I want to connect this to my
wireless connection. As people have pointed out if I want to do this
and if money is no object I should get a fully fledged router and then
put open source firmware on it. But I am looking to do this cheaply.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:12:17 -0800 (PST), seaweedsl
<seaweedsteve@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jan 29, 4:12*am, Eps <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote:
>
>> I think ebay is the way to go at this point.
>
>Fry's will be cheaper if you watch for the Airlink 431 on sale.
>
>But here: http://tinyurl.com/dc4xdq is another one - once flashed to
>DD-WRT you can do anything with it.
That's why it's important to mention what it is you're linking to. In
this case, the Ebay link is a dead end, for me anyway, so I don't know
if you're pointing to another Airlink 431, a WRT54G, or something
else.
seaweedsl wrote:
> On Jan 28, 5:35 am, Eps <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote:
>
>> Just want something cheap to be honest, they all seem very expensive.
>>
>
> Since you didn't seem to notice, I'll repeat myself. Check my links
> above. The Airlink that Fry's sells is very cheap. So are the Edimax
> and others.
>
> For pro-sumer gear quality, then spend $50 for the Ubiquiti LoCo2.
>
> And yes, you can pick up a Linksys WRT54G of various stripes and put
> Tomato or DD-WRT on it.
>
> There. I've completely repeated my post.
>
> Steve
Sorry I am in the UK, I am more interested in hearing about the product
than the deal unless its available in the UK too.
"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info>
> Unfortunately, you are running into the failure to communicate.... Like
> 1k=1000 cept in puters where it is 1024, a gamer calls what you want a
> wireless ethernet bridge, and computer people call them game adapters...
> unfortunately, they don't work the same, don't talk/communicate with each
> other the way you would expect, and if you get computer termed wireless
> ethernet bridge for your game, it will NOT be the same/work the same as a
> wireless ethernet bridge for computers....
> Seems to me that even if you get the cheapest wrong thing first and then
> get the cheapest right thing, it will be more than just getting the
> cheapest right thing in the first place....
HUH ????
I guess my Linksys WET11 "ethernet bridge" is not working downstairs
connected to my xbox & tivo ?
They have to work the same - the are the same technology -
"Maybe" an issue might be with the physical Ethernet connections - straight
thru vs crossover cables -
If not - please explain how any specialized "adapter" is different from a
"wireless Ethernet bridge" ?
> The point is the xbox has an ethernet port, I want to connect this to my
> wireless connection. As people have pointed out if I want to do this and
> if money is no object I should get a fully fledged router and then put
> open source firmware on it. But I am looking to do this cheaply.
>
> I think ebay is the way to go at this point.
>
> --
> Eps
for some reason - some folks like to suggest the most complex and involved
solution...
It's like asking what car to get... and some folks basically tell you to
build your own...
Why would anyone looking for a simple wireless Ethernet bridge get anything
besides exactly what you are looking for ....
PLUS - what's your Internet connection speed - 1M, 3M, 6M
and how fast is the bridge - actually speed ?
802.11b = maybe 11M and the 802.11g = 22M
SO - does having a 54G do you any good on a 6M internet connection ?
I'm constantly amazed at how folks answer questions with basically "how
smart they are",
which is interesting to read if you know the basics and understand the
topic,
but then again they don't really answer the question, nor provide a reality
based solution....
In article <TSmgl.19837$ZP4.3494@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>,
"ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote:
> for some reason - some folks like to suggest the most complex and involved
> solution...
> It's like asking what car to get... and some folks basically tell you to
> build your own...
If you've got a Mac you can talk to your Xbox or PS3 with MediaLink.
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>
> "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
> news:QLmgl.19835$ZP4.14647@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info>
>>> Unfortunately, you are running into the failure to communicate.... Like
>>> 1k=1000 cept in puters where it is 1024, a gamer calls what you want a
>>> wireless ethernet bridge, and computer people call them game adapters...
>>> unfortunately, they don't work the same, don't talk/communicate with
>>> each other the way you would expect, and if you get computer termed
>>> wireless ethernet bridge for your game, it will NOT be the same/work the
>>> same as a wireless ethernet bridge for computers....
>>> Seems to me that even if you get the cheapest wrong thing first and then
>>> get the cheapest right thing, it will be more than just getting the
>>> cheapest right thing in the first place....
>>
>>
>> HUH ????
>>
>> I guess my Linksys WET11 "ethernet bridge" is not working downstairs
>> connected to my xbox & tivo ?
>> They have to work the same - the are the same technology -
>> "Maybe" an issue might be with the physical Ethernet connections -
>> straight thru vs crossover cables -
>>
>> If not - please explain how any specialized "adapter" is different from a
>> "wireless Ethernet bridge" ?
>>
>>
>
> cuz in computer terms a bridge bridges two network segments, and an
> "adapter" refers more to wifi dongles/boxes/etc that (usually) have usb or
> ethernet connectors to plug into things like tivo's/games/etc...
> ever use the wikipedia for quick definitions? (says more than I can type)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_game_adapter
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_bridge
>
> if you have several devices downstairs (tivo and xbox) then you have more
> than one connection and are bridging (while not always technically
> correct, one connection/output think adapter, and multiple outputs think
> bridge)
No wonder the original person is confused....
An "adapter" is just a marketing term for a "bridge".... everything is a
bridge.
Nice to mix technical definitions with physical appliances & marketing
terms...
and yeah - I've used Wiki to find out info - but I use my brain to explain
it as needed...
NOW - if the "gaming adapter" was limited into only having a MAC address
table of 1 on the client side,
vs "several" - then you have a clear distinction between a general purpose
bridge,
and the gaming adapter... but, not knowing the MAC table sizes for either,
it's just a guess...
So, let's see -any other technical distinctions between an "adapter" and a
"bridge" ?
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:41:49 -0600, "ps56k"
<pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote:
>If not - please explain how any specialized "adapter" is different from a
>"wireless Ethernet bridge" ?
Sure. I tried to explain the various bridge types in:
<http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Bridge_Types>
It's not very good, as there are exceptions, but good enough. What's
important to remember is that a bridge works on layer 2 (MAC layer)
and does NOT do anything on layer 3 (IP layer). A bridge does NOT do
routing.
Assuming we limit the discussion to an "ethernet to wireless bridge",
some of the various types are:
1. Transparent: individual MAC addresses appear at both ends of the
bridge.
2. Opaque(???): Everything at the local end of the bridge appears to
come from one MAC address. Only one MAC address can traverse the
bridge.
3. Workgroup: Intentionally undersized MAC to port address table,
thus limiting the number of computers/devices/MAC addresses that can
traverse the bridge. 8/16/32 devices are common.
4. The real thing(?): Sufficiently large MAC to port address table
allows up to 253 devices to traverse the bridge. Professional bridges
can often do 2048 devices.
5. A bunch of other bridge types as itemized in the above URL.
So, where does the "game adapter" fit? Usually, it's the "opaque"
variety, where only one MAC address can traverse the bridge, limiting
operation to exactly one computah on the ethernet side of the bridge.
The game adapter vendors want to sell you one adapter per computah.
There's a list of common wireless ethernet bridges at:
<http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Ethernet_Bridges>
which includes whether they can handle more than one MAC address. I
don't know where John Navas got the information, but it looks right.
Note that more than one doesn't mean 253. It could easily mean 8, 16,
or 32 devices. There are also some oddities. For example, the
DWL-2100, when uses as a client adapter, has some firmware versions
passing more than one MAC address, while others will do only one.
Incidentally, getting such information as "how many computers can I
put behind the bridge or game adapter" is difficult to extract from
the manufacturer.
yeah I know - it's Tinker Bell that needs a little reading concerning what
"might" be different..
"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
news:4sh4o4drt8afccg4gr3v7pp22tpjkfvtop@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:41:49 -0600, "ps56k"
> <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote:
>
>>If not - please explain how any specialized "adapter" is different from a
>>"wireless Ethernet bridge" ?
>
> Sure. I tried to explain the various bridge types in:
> <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Bridge_Types>
> It's not very good, as there are exceptions, but good enough. What's
> important to remember is that a bridge works on layer 2 (MAC layer)
> and does NOT do anything on layer 3 (IP layer). A bridge does NOT do
> routing.
>
> Assuming we limit the discussion to an "ethernet to wireless bridge",
> some of the various types are:
> 1. Transparent: individual MAC addresses appear at both ends of the
> bridge.
> 2. Opaque(???): Everything at the local end of the bridge appears to
> come from one MAC address. Only one MAC address can traverse the
> bridge.
> 3. Workgroup: Intentionally undersized MAC to port address table,
> thus limiting the number of computers/devices/MAC addresses that can
> traverse the bridge. 8/16/32 devices are common.
> 4. The real thing(?): Sufficiently large MAC to port address table
> allows up to 253 devices to traverse the bridge. Professional bridges
> can often do 2048 devices.
> 5. A bunch of other bridge types as itemized in the above URL.
>
> So, where does the "game adapter" fit? Usually, it's the "opaque"
> variety, where only one MAC address can traverse the bridge, limiting
> operation to exactly one computah on the ethernet side of the bridge.
> The game adapter vendors want to sell you one adapter per computah.
>
> There's a list of common wireless ethernet bridges at:
> <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Ethernet_Bridges>
> which includes whether they can handle more than one MAC address. I
> don't know where John Navas got the information, but it looks right.
> Note that more than one doesn't mean 253. It could easily mean 8, 16,
> or 32 devices. There are also some oddities. For example, the
> DWL-2100, when uses as a client adapter, has some firmware versions
> passing more than one MAC address, while others will do only one.
>
> Incidentally, getting such information as "how many computers can I
> put behind the bridge or game adapter" is difficult to extract from
> the manufacturer.
>
>
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"Eps" <newsgroups@epscylonb.com> wrote in message
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> Peter Pan wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, you are running into the failure to communicate.... Like
>> 1k=1000 cept in puters where it is 1024, a gamer calls what you want a
>> wireless ethernet bridge, and computer people call them game adapters...
>> unfortunately, they don't work the same, don't talk/communicate with each
>> other the way you would expect, and if you get computer termed wireless
>> ethernet bridge for your game, it will NOT be the same/work the same as a
>> wireless ethernet bridge for computers....
>> Seems to me that even if you get the cheapest wrong thing first and then
>> get the cheapest right thing, it will be more than just getting the
>> cheapest right thing in the first place....
>
> What ?, most of the wireless ether bridges claim to work with consoles
> like the ps2 and xbox, just as the wireless gaming adapters do.
>
> The point is the xbox has an ethernet port, I want to connect this to my
> wireless connection. As people have pointed out if I want to do this and
> if money is no object I should get a fully fledged router and then put
> open source firmware on it. But I am looking to do this cheaply.
>
> I think ebay is the way to go at this point.
>
> --
> Eps
In computer terms, a "wireless bridge" connects two existing networks
wirelessly, in gaming terms it refers to bridging a wired net interface to
an existing wireless network....
if you get a computer marketed/termed "wireless ethernet bridge" it will be
the wrong thing for your game console/xbox to do what you want...
Personally, i would just get a gaming adapter(computer terms)/wireless
ethernet bridge (gaming terms)... Pick the right term, and they (gaming
adapters in computer terms) are under $40 and will do exactly what you want,
pick the wrong term, wrong thing/won't work and you will have to buy more
stuff/something else
"ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info>
>> Unfortunately, you are running into the failure to communicate.... Like
>> 1k=1000 cept in puters where it is 1024, a gamer calls what you want a
>> wireless ethernet bridge, and computer people call them game adapters...
>> unfortunately, they don't work the same, don't talk/communicate with each
>> other the way you would expect, and if you get computer termed wireless
>> ethernet bridge for your game, it will NOT be the same/work the same as a
>> wireless ethernet bridge for computers....
>> Seems to me that even if you get the cheapest wrong thing first and then
>> get the cheapest right thing, it will be more than just getting the
>> cheapest right thing in the first place....
>
>
> HUH ????
>
> I guess my Linksys WET11 "ethernet bridge" is not working downstairs
> connected to my xbox & tivo ?
> They have to work the same - the are the same technology -
> "Maybe" an issue might be with the physical Ethernet connections -
> straight thru vs crossover cables -
>
> If not - please explain how any specialized "adapter" is different from a
> "wireless Ethernet bridge" ?
>
>
cuz in computer terms a bridge bridges two network segments, and an
"adapter" refers more to wifi dongles/boxes/etc that (usually) have usb or
ethernet connectors to plug into things like tivo's/games/etc...
ever use the wikipedia for quick definitions? (says more than I can type) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_game_adapter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_bridge
if you have several devices downstairs (tivo and xbox) then you have more
than one connection and are bridging (while not always technically correct,
one connection/output think adapter, and multiple outputs think bridge)
>
> "Peter Pan" <pponvistaNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info> wrote in message
> news:X7Wdnc41_KRznR_UnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>>
>> "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
>> news:QLmgl.19835$ZP4.14647@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>> "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.info>
>>>> Unfortunately, you are running into the failure to communicate.... Like
>>>> 1k=1000 cept in puters where it is 1024, a gamer calls what you want a
>>>> wireless ethernet bridge, and computer people call them game
>>>> adapters... unfortunately, they don't work the same, don't
>>>> talk/communicate with each other the way you would expect, and if you
>>>> get computer termed wireless ethernet bridge for your game, it will NOT
>>>> be the same/work the same as a wireless ethernet bridge for
>>>> computers....
>>>> Seems to me that even if you get the cheapest wrong thing first and
>>>> then get the cheapest right thing, it will be more than just getting
>>>> the cheapest right thing in the first place....
>>>
>>>
>>> HUH ????
>>>
>>> I guess my Linksys WET11 "ethernet bridge" is not working downstairs
>>> connected to my xbox & tivo ?
>>> They have to work the same - the are the same technology -
>>> "Maybe" an issue might be with the physical Ethernet connections -
>>> straight thru vs crossover cables -
>>>
>>> If not - please explain how any specialized "adapter" is different from
>>> a "wireless Ethernet bridge" ?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> cuz in computer terms a bridge bridges two network segments, and an
>> "adapter" refers more to wifi dongles/boxes/etc that (usually) have usb
>> or ethernet connectors to plug into things like tivo's/games/etc...
>> ever use the wikipedia for quick definitions? (says more than I can type)
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_game_adapter
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_bridge
>>
>> if you have several devices downstairs (tivo and xbox) then you have more
>> than one connection and are bridging (while not always technically
>> correct, one connection/output think adapter, and multiple outputs think
>> bridge)
>
> No wonder the original person is confused....
> An "adapter" is just a marketing term for a "bridge".... everything is a
> bridge.
> Nice to mix technical definitions with physical appliances & marketing
> terms...
> and yeah - I've used Wiki to find out info - but I use my brain to explain
> it as needed...
>
> NOW - if the "gaming adapter" was limited into only having a MAC address
> table of 1 on the client side,
> vs "several" - then you have a clear distinction between a general purpose
> bridge,
> and the gaming adapter... but, not knowing the MAC table sizes for either,
> it's just a guess...
> So, let's see -any other technical distinctions between an "adapter" and a
> "bridge" ?
>
>
>
that (# of ip/mac addresses) pretty much works, cept for that thing you
have.. linksys makes both a WET11 and a WPA11, most others don't have
tables....
if you care to read about why, check out
WAP11 to WET11: Easy, Cheap Wireless Bridging http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wire.../11/wet11.html
Cheap?
Until last week, the only easier way to carry out this task had a much
higher price tag. The new Linksys WET11 brings a new kind of simplicity for
bridging smaller networks over a wireless link, with an appropriate price
tag: $130 list price.
and the wet11 has up to 30 ip addresses!
as for other differences, adapter and bridge have different numbers of
letters (one 6 one 7)....you know the saying about what a difference a day
makes? maybe in this case its what a difference a word length makes?
On Jan 29, 9:27*am, Iyad Patel <n...@none.invalid> wrote:
> That's why it's important to mention what it is you're linking to. In
> this case, the Ebay link is a dead end, for me anyway, so I don't know
> if you're pointing to another Airlink 431, a WRT54G, or something
> else.
Sorry 'bout that. The link was to another Airlink model sold on Ebay
that comes already flashed to dd-wrt. That makes it very useful.
Just search Airlink for routers sold with DD-WRT on them.
On Jan 29, 10:04*am, Eps <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote:
> seaweedsl wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 5:35 am, Eps <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote:
>
> >> Just want something cheap to be honest, they all seem very expensive.
>
> > Since you didn't seem to notice, I'll repeat myself. * *Check my links
> > above. *The Airlink that Fry's sells is very cheap. *So are the Edimax
> > and others.
>
> > For pro-sumer gear quality, then spend $50 for the Ubiquiti LoCo2.
>
> > And yes, you can pick up a Linksys WRT54G of various stripes and put
> > Tomato or DD-WRT on it.
>
> > There. *I've completely repeated my post.
>
> > Steve
>
> Sorry I am in the UK, I am more interested in hearing about the product
> than the deal unless its available in the UK too.
>
> Thanks anyway though.
>
> --
> Eps
Understood. Maybe it's better for you to just buy a linksys WRT54GL
or Buffalo WHR- G54S (or HP version) router - both should be availible
in UK- and flash it to Tomato/DD-WRT. They are availible already
flashed on Ebay as well.
You will like that now it can do any job you need it for. Not too
expensive cause routers are cheaper than the specialized client
adapters. Plus, if you need it later for a router or AP or repeater,
it can do that.
On Jan 29, 8:59*am, seaweedsl <seaweedst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 5:35*am, Eps <newsgro...@epscylonb.com> wrote:
>
> > Just want something cheap to be honest, they all seem very expensive.
>
> Since you didn't seem to notice, I'll repeat myself. * *Check my links
> above. *The Airlink that Fry's sells is very cheap. *So are the Edimax
> and others.
>
> For pro-sumer gear quality, then spend $50 for the Ubiquiti LoCo2.
>
> And yes, you can pick up a Linksys WRT54G of various stripes and put
> Tomato or DD-WRT on it.
>
> There. *I've completely repeated my post.
>
> Steve
check out the dd wrt website. This is one of the big thins their
software allows you to do. There should be lots of info there on which
router wok and which ones dont. They also have a forum their with a
lot more people who are in to this specific topic.
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