Wireless G and N together?

Hi.
I want to upgrade my network so I get better connectivity to the
basement in my house, so I was thinking of going to N. However, my
wife's laptop has an internal G card.

I have a Linksys WRT54G router that I use now. Can I get a N router
and "chain" it together with the G router and use both in exclusive (N
or G) mode at the same time on the same network?

Thanks.

Ed

tango wrote:
> Hi.
> I want to upgrade my network so I get better connectivity to the
> basement in my house, so I was thinking of going to N. However, my
> wife's laptop has an internal G card.
>
> I have a Linksys WRT54G router that I use now. Can I get a N router
> and "chain" it together with the G router and use both in exclusive (N
> or G) mode at the same time on the same network?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ed

Yes, however, in many situations it's really silly, and you will probably
have to reverse what you wanted to do above.. Have a wrt300n and a wrt54g
(router part plugged into the router part of the 300n, do NOT use the wan
input on the wrt54g.. Different SSID and different channel, and turn off the
dhcp server - to eliminate conflicts).. Did it that way as a test, and now
use netgear powerline networking to provide a remote connection to my router
from anywhere with power (like now that it's warm, got the old thing in the
sunroom, so I can lay on the hammock in the backyard and surf)

On Jun 28, 11:41 am, tango <westkatz...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi.
> I want to upgrade my network so I get better connectivity to the
> basement in my house, so I was thinking of going to N. However, my
> wife's laptop has an internal G card.
>
> I have a Linksys WRT54G router that I use now. Can I get a N router
> and "chain" it together with the G router and use both in exclusive (N
> or G) mode at the same time on the same network?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ed

To clarify what Peter is saying:
A good solution is to connect a powerline networking module to your
main router, whichever it is and plug that into the wall. Then, down
in the basement plug in another module and use that to:
a) connect directly to a single computer
b) connect to a 2nd router for multiple computers

Alternatively, Netgear powerline has a module with wifi so you can
just plug it in wherever and connect various wifi devices to it. I
doubt the range will be as good as a router with an external antenna,
but it may be fine for the basement.

Another alternative is to pair a Netgear module that has multiple
ethernet ports ( the standard module only has one) to connect multiple
wire pcs to it.

First question is: do you want to connect more than one pc in the
basement?
Second: do you want to connect by wireless in the basement or is
ethernet (from a local powerline module) fine?

Buying a second router may not be even be necessary.

Steve

On Jun 29, 10:03 am, seaweedsteve <seaweedst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 11:41 am, tango <westkatz...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> > I want to upgrade my network so I get better connectivity to the
> > basement in my house, so I was thinking of going to N. However, my
> > wife's laptop has an internal G card.
>
> > I have a Linksys WRT54G router that I use now. Can I get a N router
> > and "chain" it together with the G router and use both in exclusive (N
> > or G) mode at the same time on the same network?
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > Ed
>
> To clarify what Peter is saying:
> A good solution is to connect a powerline networking module to your
> main router, whichever it is and plug that into the wall. Then, down
> in the basement plug in another module and use that to:
> a) connect directly to a single computer
> b) connect to a 2nd router for multiple computers
>
> Alternatively, Netgear powerline has a module with wifi so you can
> just plug it in wherever and connect various wifi devices to it. I
> doubt the range will be as good as a router with an external antenna,
> but it may be fine for the basement.
>
> Another alternative is to pair a Netgear module that has multiple
> ethernet ports ( the standard module only has one) to connect multiple
> wire pcs to it.
>
> First question is: do you want to connect more than one pc in the
> basement?
> Second: do you want to connect by wireless in the basement or is
> ethernet (from a local powerline module) fine?
>
> Buying a second router may not be even be necessary.
>
> Steve

Thanks, guys. I wasn't even aware of these powerline connections.

I have a couple of questions:

I've had trouble in my house with X10 devices working reliably. Am I
likely to face these same issues (whatever they are, maybe A vs B
side) with these devices?

The speed of this connection seems slow. Here's what I saw at:
http://reviews.cnet.com/adapters-nic...-21057065.html

The bandwidth of the HomePlug power-line spec is 14Mbps, but
networking overhead and noise on your electrical wiring is apt to
result in a substantially lower throughput rate. In CNET Labs' Chariot
tests, the XE102 was only able to achieve throughput rates below
4Mbps, which is still faster than many home broadband Internet
connections can deliver, so you won't notice a hit on Web traffic or e-
mail, but it's much slower than its leading competitor, the Siemens
SpeedStream power-line Ethernet adapter and far slower than the
leading wireless products based on 802.11g and 802.11a technologies.

CNET Labs' Chariot throughput tests (Longer bars indicate better
performance)
WPC55AG 802.11a
20.6
WPC55AG 802.11g
17.9
WPC55AG mixed
7.6
Siemens SpeedStream power-line Ethernet adapter
5.8
Linksys PLUSB10 2.0
5.2
Siemens power-line access point
4.9
Netgear XE102
3.5
Note: Throughput in Mbps

So, am I back to the original idea? Peter, why do you feel it is
silly? Does it not work? Is it complicated?

Thanks.

Ed

tango wrote:
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>
> So, am I back to the original idea? Peter, why do you feel it is
> silly? Does it not work? Is it complicated?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ed


No No No, the recommendation was for NETGEAR powerline adapters, *NOT* the
el cheapo and incredible slow x10's.... The netgears do up to 85Mbps (way
faster than the 14's from x10)... (they do have a 200Mbps model, however you
need Gigabit ethernet to go that fast, and very few homes have gigabit, heck
I'm a geek and don't even have that!)
again, here's the link(s), for the ethernet adapters (to tie two ap's
together)
http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe...tAdapters.aspx
for the adapter with it's own ap (plug it in anywhere and have an instant
connection)
http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe...essPoints.aspx

Don't know what the price is for the x10 model, but the netgear ones are at
best buy and staples for about $125 (thats for two, you need a pair)

The caveat/hedge was cuz although it seems to work for *almost* everything I
tried (two ap's connected via powerline) , there was one specific pda (dell
xv51) that didn't like it, and the new apple phones (with wifi) I haven't
tried yet, so there may be some possibility certain devices won't all work.

tango <westkatzman@comcast.net> hath wroth:

>Thanks, guys. I wasn't even aware of these powerline connections.

http://www.homeplug.com

>I've had trouble in my house with X10 devices working reliably. Am I
>likely to face these same issues (whatever they are, maybe A vs B
>side) with these devices?

No. X10 is a one way protocol with no error correction mechanism.
Send a burst of data and pray it arrives. It's also concentrated in
the 120Khz region, which is very polluted from switching power
supplies. The various power line networking systems work very
differently. They use broadband RF techiques at about 2-60MHz. The
later versions avoid any occupied frequencies and are loaded with
error correcting and handshaking protocols.

>The speed of this connection seems slow. Here's what I saw at:
>http://reviews.cnet.com/adapters-nic...-21057065.html

The xe102 is old technology. Look for the later 85Mbits/sec variety.

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>
> So, am I back to the original idea? Peter, why do you feel it is
> silly? Does it not work? Is it complicated?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ed


The silly idea is a misinterpretation/misreading of the statement...... It
specifically says "in many situations it is silly", and then I specifically
said why, in what you asked/posted, it fits into the silly situations
"Yes, however, in many situations it's really silly, and you will probably
have to reverse what you wanted to do above.."... If you read the whole
thing, and simply reverse what your post said, it will work fine and not be
silly (IMO)