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Old 01-08-2008, 06:06 PM
myadmin1@verizon.net
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Default Wireless from house to detached garage

Hi everybody, I'm new here, please bear w/me. The search for relevant
information is overwhelming and I'm hoping that you guys can help me w/
a simple, inexpensive solution.

Situation:
Verizon FIOS internet service, both wired and wireless in the main
house. About 40 feet away, is a detached garage w/a room above it;
it is in this structure that I'd like wireless internet w/o paying for
a whole other connection from Verizon (obviously).

On the side of the main house that is FURTHEST away from the garage is
the Verizon ActionTec, M1424WR, wireless router thing :-) This router
is hard-wired to a PC that is on the side of the house that is closest
to the garage. This router also provides wireless internet service
thru the main house for my laptop when I have it at home. (Now I
admit, I haven't taken the laptop to the garage and tried to get a
signal, it's pretty weak just on the opposite side of the house).

What I would like to know is how to bounce/repeat/send/whatever the
wireless signal from the main house to the garage.
What I've checked out:

I looked into the parabolic DIY wok-fi style antennas and they seem to
operate only by disabling the laptops built in wi-fi and then you have
to be tethered to the wok-fi antenna, right? USB wifi dongle plugged
into your laptop's USB port?

I also looked into external antennas to try and relay the signal, but
there is so much information out there it's gets confusing and they
seem like an expensive solution.

I looked at things like Pringles antenna and coffee can antenna and,
I'm sorry, I'm not really handy so I don't know if I could build one.
guess I could try.

Is it possible to get a couple of wireless routers that have repeater
functions and simply plug one into the network jack in the house (on
the side of the house closest to the garage) and then plug the other
one into an outlet in the garage and hope the signal is strong enough
to make the garage a "hot spot", or will that not work and I'd have to
have a wireless router/repeater plugged DIRECTLY into a port on the
ActionTech, then have another repeater in the house and yet another in
the garage to pick it up?

Any tips, hints, points to links, etc., would be greatly appreciated
Thank you!!!!!


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Old 01-08-2008, 07:54 PM
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myadmin1@verizon.net wrote:
> On the side of the main house that is FURTHEST away from the garage is
> the Verizon ActionTec, M1424WR, wireless router thing :-) This router

....
> signal, it's pretty weak just on the opposite side of the house).


If you have some signal, a simple reflector on the router might make things
very good. You could also use a USB client adapter in the garage that has
a directional antenna included, or has an antenna where you could put
another reflector.

http://www.freeantennas.com EZ-12, printed on photo paper for thick stock,
with aluminum foil glued to the sail, provides a substantial boost in
signal. http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/EZ12-windsurfer.jpg
http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/w...fer-dining.JPG The netstumbler
trace shows solid signal as I walked back to the router, a dropout as I
blocked the router, taking off the reflector, and then the lower signal
without the reflector, reduced, and fluctuating in level.

Make the tabs longer than the template drawing, for easier assembly.

--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

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Old 01-08-2008, 11:50 PM
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At 40 ft wouldn't it be fairly easy just to run a CAT5 cable and plug it
into a 5 port switch.


<dold@06.usenet.us.com> wrote in message news:fm0ntf$pd9$1@blue.rahul.net...
> myadmin1@verizon.net wrote:
>> On the side of the main house that is FURTHEST away from the garage is
>> the Verizon ActionTec, M1424WR, wireless router thing :-) This router

> ...
>> signal, it's pretty weak just on the opposite side of the house).

>
> If you have some signal, a simple reflector on the router might make
> things
> very good. You could also use a USB client adapter in the garage that has
> a directional antenna included, or has an antenna where you could put
> another reflector.
>
> http://www.freeantennas.com EZ-12, printed on photo paper for thick stock,
> with aluminum foil glued to the sail, provides a substantial boost in
> signal. http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/EZ12-windsurfer.jpg
> http://www.rahul.net/dold/clarence/w...fer-dining.JPG The netstumbler
> trace shows solid signal as I walked back to the router, a dropout as I
> blocked the router, taking off the reflector, and then the lower signal
> without the reflector, reduced, and fluctuating in level.
>
> Make the tabs longer than the template drawing, for easier assembly.
>
> --
> Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5



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Old 01-09-2008, 02:43 AM
Bill Kearney
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> At 40 ft wouldn't it be fairly easy just to run a CAT5 cable and plug it
> into a 5 port switch.


I can think of plenty of situations where that would be a whole lot of
trouble. Big patch of concrete patio would be one of many obstacles that'd
make it quite difficult to 'just run a wire'.




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Old 01-09-2008, 03:06 AM
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Bill,

You could be right, but installing an external antenna may present the same
problem. If the room is over the garage there should be easy access
someplace. I ran into a similar problem in that the cable modem and router
is on the 2nd floor and my office is in the basement. Poor wireless
connection so I ran CAT5 down the outside of the house and into the basement
and used a 5 port switch which supports 2 computers and 2 VoIP phones.


"Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a6-dnXJmTt173xnanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> At 40 ft wouldn't it be fairly easy just to run a CAT5 cable and plug it
>> into a 5 port switch.

>
> I can think of plenty of situations where that would be a whole lot of
> trouble. Big patch of concrete patio would be one of many obstacles
> that'd make it quite difficult to 'just run a wire'.
>
>
>



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Old 01-09-2008, 03:03 PM
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There's also the electrical damage risks, lightning mainly. Best to NOT run
copper CAT5 ethernet between buildings. Use fiber instead.

If he want to have wifi in the outbuilding here's one way to do it.

Setup an access point in the house. Put a highly directional antenna on it.
Wire it into the existing network. Point said antenna at the outbuilding.
Go to the outbuilding and see if there's decent coverage, if so, DONE!

If not then put a 2nd access point acting as a client out there. Put a
directional antenna on it and point it at the one in the house. Connect a
PC to the wired ethernet port and you're done. If you want actual wifi in
the outbuilding then put ANOTHER access point on a wired connection.

This way you'd go from wifi laptop in the outbuilding to the access point.
The wired to the client, connecting wirelessly to the house. From the house
access point on into the wired network. That's a a fair bit of equipment
but access points are relatively cheap these days.

What you're doing here is running three wireless networks. An existing one
in the house, leave it alone if it's working. The second network is just
between the house and the outbuilding. It does nothing but provide a
point-to-point link. This allows controlling the antenna placement so as to
get the best possible performance. This also means the existing in-house
wifi won't get screwed up trying to rejigger then antennae on it. The third
wifi network just covers the outbuilding itself. This also allows the
antenna placement to be arranged to best cover the building without screwing
up the point-to-point link.

It sounds like a lot, and running a wire or fiber would CERTAINLY be less
equipment, possible cheaper too.

I have a setup like this on our boat. Two access points, one to make a
connection to shore and another to provide an on-boat wifi network. Works
great. I use Linksys WRT54G (pre version 5) routers running DD-WRT for it.

-Bill Kearney


> You could be right, but installing an external antenna may present the
> same problem. If the room is over the garage there should be easy access
> someplace. I ran into a similar problem in that the cable modem and
> router is on the 2nd floor and my office is in the basement. Poor
> wireless connection so I ran CAT5 down the outside of the house and into
> the basement and used a 5 port switch which supports 2 computers and 2
> VoIP phones.
>
>
> "Bill Kearney" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a6-dnXJmTt173xnanZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>>> At 40 ft wouldn't it be fairly easy just to run a CAT5 cable and plug it
>>> into a 5 port switch.

>>
>> I can think of plenty of situations where that would be a whole lot of
>> trouble. Big patch of concrete patio would be one of many obstacles
>> that'd make it quite difficult to 'just run a wire'.
>>
>>
>>

>




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Old 01-09-2008, 04:09 PM
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Bill Kearney <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If he want to have wifi in the outbuilding here's one way to do it.


40 feet for a personal connection? You are over-engineering the solution.

It's farther than that from my router to the places that I sit with my
laptop in and around my house. The signal passes through two outside
walls, a distance of 60 feet, to get to a spot where I had minimal to no
coverage before putting a free reflector on my router.

I used to see dropouts as I was typing, with the WiFi card on the side of
the laptop opposite the router. Sometimes the connection would recover,
sometimes I would lose my ssh connection. Now it's solid.

The best thing about the reflectors is, as pointed out by the author on the
freeantennas web page is that they are free and cause no damage to the
equipment. If it works, you are done. If it almost works, you have a clue
of how much additional gain you might need to make the connection. If it
doesn't work at all, you have some serious work to do, like adding access
points or bridges... and with hose, you are back to testing the
improvements offered by free reflectors.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

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Old 01-09-2008, 04:39 PM
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On Jan 8, 1:06 pm, myadm...@verizon.net wrote:
> Hi everybody, I'm new here, please bear w/me. The search for relevant
> information is overwhelming and I'm hoping that you guys can help me w/
> a simple, inexpensive solution.
>
> Situation:
> Verizon FIOS internet service, both wired and wireless in the main
> house. About 40 feet away, is a detached garage w/a room above it;
> it is in this structure that I'd like wireless internet w/o paying for
> a whole other connection from Verizon (obviously).
>
> On the side of the main house that is FURTHEST away from the garage is
> the Verizon ActionTec, M1424WR, wireless router thing :-) This router
> is hard-wired to a PC that is on the side of the house that is closest
> to the garage. This router also provides wireless internet service
> thru the main house for my laptop when I have it at home. (Now I
> admit, I haven't taken the laptop to the garage and tried to get a
> signal, it's pretty weak just on the opposite side of the house).
>
> What I would like to know is how to bounce/repeat/send/whatever the
> wireless signal from the main house to the garage.
> What I've checked out:
>
> I looked into the parabolic DIY wok-fi style antennas and they seem to
> operate only by disabling the laptops built in wi-fi and then you have
> to be tethered to the wok-fi antenna, right? USB wifi dongle plugged
> into your laptop's USB port?
>
> I also looked into external antennas to try and relay the signal, but
> there is so much information out there it's gets confusing and they
> seem like an expensive solution.
>
> I looked at things like Pringles antenna and coffee can antenna and,
> I'm sorry, I'm not really handy so I don't know if I could build one.
> guess I could try.
>
> Is it possible to get a couple of wireless routers that have repeater
> functions and simply plug one into the network jack in the house (on
> the side of the house closest to the garage) and then plug the other
> one into an outlet in the garage and hope the signal is strong enough
> to make the garage a "hot spot", or will that not work and I'd have to
> have a wireless router/repeater plugged DIRECTLY into a port on the
> ActionTech, then have another repeater in the house and yet another in
> the garage to pick it up?
>
> Any tips, hints, points to links, etc., would be greatly appreciated
> Thank you!!!!!


A directional antenna or reflector at your router just might work.
Try the reflector Clarence mentioned - they work and it's free!

Another very simple option is to use Powerline Networking. You plug
an adapter into the your router and then into the wall. As long as
your garage has a socket is on the same leg of the transformer, you
can plug in another adapter there for either ethernet or local wifi.
Plug directly into the wall, no power strips.

http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe...etworking.aspx

Within the netgear line, go with the XE not the HD series - from what
I've read, the HDs have electrical interference problems.

I've been buying the older Netgear ones (XE102) on ebay or Amazon
fairly cheaply. They also have a version that gives wifi wherever
you plug it in, but it gets quite hot and is reported to have a high
failure rate. I have one that has not failed, but I try to keep it
cool. Perhaps it's more reliable to use a pair of straight ethernet
adapters with a cheap wireless router cabled to the remote one.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...sr=8-3&seller=

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...3VY98HDY4Y0GTS


Steve




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Old 01-09-2008, 04:43 PM
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On Jan 8, 7:50 pm, "Don Harvey" <dhar...@kc.rr.com> wrote:
> At 40 ft wouldn't it be fairly easy just to run a CAT5 cable and plug it
> into a 5 port switch.
>


I thought I replied to this, but don't see it, so here goes again ....
wouldn't I have to bury a conduit for this? I can't imagine stringing
a cable that far and having it look halfway decent ??

If I did bury a conduit, any rules on how deep? I'm near Boston, it
gets cold, ground freezes, etc.

Thanks.

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Old 01-09-2008, 05:01 PM
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myadmin1@verizon.net wrote:

>
> Any tips, hints, points to links, etc., would be greatly appreciated
> Thank you!!!!!


Hows the outbuilding get it's electric? From the house, or a seperate
feed/meter?

If the same feed/one meter, I've had great sucess with powerline networking,
one unit in the house by the modem, and then a second unit with a wap/router
whereever I want both wired and wireless..
Powerline networking under $140, spare wap/routers are under $50... Have the
combo on power strips, and just plug em in wherever I want more coverage
(garage, back yard, patio, gazebo, other end of the house where the Tivo's
live/etc)
if your answer is the outbuilding gets it's power from the house (or anyone
lurking here wants em), I'd be glad to post the links for you....

Heck, why do two posts when one will do... here the link for the netgear
powerline stuff
http://www.netgear.com/Products/Powe...tAdapters.aspx

and the wap routers are from walmart Linksys wrt54g (for $49.17)
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=2470125

Fraid you are on your own for power strips, but you can usually find them
for $2-$3 each.....



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Old 01-09-2008, 05:05 PM
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Bill Kearney wrote:
> There's also the electrical damage risks, lightning mainly.


Depends on your location. There's essentially no chance of my external
cat5 getting hit by ligntning. It runs along the base of a wall, then
inside a hedge, to get to my garden shed. Meanwhile my house is about
50ft taller, has a huge metal spike on the roof (ie a TV aerial) and is
surrounded by other similar objects. Also I'm in a valley, with many
trees at a much higher altitude. And we very rarely get storms...

>Best to NOT run copper CAT5 ethernet between buildings.


Well, in many cases its entirely safe. The biggest risk /my/ cable has
is probably mouse damage. After that, it's meteor strike.... :-)


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Old 01-09-2008, 05:19 PM
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myadmin1@verizon.net wrote:

> I thought I replied to this, but don't see it, so here goes again ....
> wouldn't I have to bury a conduit for this? I can't imagine stringing
> a cable that far and having it look halfway decent ??


Depends on your circumstances and what you have to cross. I have my
CAT5e cable nailed to a wall with household cable clips, then hidden
inside a hedge. It looks no worse than the various telephone / TV /
power cables that already adorn the outside of most houses.

> If I did bury a conduit, any rules on how deep? I'm near Boston, it
> gets cold, ground freezes, etc.


50cm is considered prudent to avoid garden spades etc.

In the UK its a requirement that the trench be in a *straight line* from
where it goes underground to where it emerges, unless there are
extraordinary circumstances. This ensures it is easy to determine the
path when you're running in a new drain etc...

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Old 01-09-2008, 05:50 PM
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seaweedsteve <seaweedsteve@gmail.com> wrote:
> cool. Perhaps it's more reliable to use a pair of straight ethernet
> adapters with a cheap wireless router cabled to the remote one.



If multiple ports are needed in the garage,
NETGEAR WGPS606 54 Mbps Wireless Print Server with 4-port Switch
is $80 at Amazon, and has an antenna that would accept a free reflector,
improving the range.

--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

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Old 01-09-2008, 05:58 PM
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On Jan 9, 1:01 pm, "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOS...@AkamailNOSPAM.com>
wrote:
> myadm...@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > Any tips, hints, points to links, etc., would be greatly appreciated
> > Thank you!!!!!

>
> Hows the outbuilding get it's electric? From the house, or a seperate
> feed/meter?
>
> If the same feed/one meter, I've had great sucess with powerline networking,
> one unit in the house by the modem, and then a second unit with a wap/router
> whereever I want both wired and wireless..

....
Thanks for that, it's actually going to have it's own meter :-(, so
that won't work.

What about this:
What if I get an ethernet switch, plug it into the wall jack closest
to the garage side of the house, then plug a WAP into that and put
the parabolic antenna on the AP? First, I'll try the reflector on
the ActionTec equipment that Verizon gave us (which I "need" because I
have their FIOS cable TV service). I just can't imagine it increasing
the signal enough to go across the house, across the span to the
garage and then into the garage w/enough strength to run the laptop
satisfactorily.

(Side note: I'd need that ethernet switch since there is a PC in that
room closest to the garage that I like to have hardwired into the
network, figured I'd go wall jack to switch, then plug PC and WAP into
the switch.)

I'm just hoping that, if I'm going to need a WAP, that it'll play nice
w/the ActionTec router from Verizon, I don't want to get into screwing
things up.


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Old 01-09-2008, 09:13 PM
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> Depends on your location. There's essentially no chance of my external
> cat5 getting hit by ligntning. It runs along the base of a wall, then
> inside a hedge, to get to my garden shed. Meanwhile my house is about 50ft
> taller, has a huge metal spike on the roof (ie a TV aerial) and is
> surrounded by other similar objects. Also I'm in a valley, with many trees
> at a much higher altitude. And we very rarely get storms...


If the building gets hit then anything with a wire between the buildings is
going to be at risk.

But hey, I only ran the networking on an 80 acre campus with over a dozen
buildings. We had to deal with not only lightning strikes but all sorts of
ground issues. So forgive me if I don't agree with your logic.




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Old 01-09-2008, 09:17 PM
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> I'm just hoping that, if I'm going to need a WAP, that it'll play nice
> w/the ActionTec router from Verizon, I don't want to get into screwing
> things up.


If you configure one as a dumb access point it shouldn't matter. Just turn
off any services on it. As in, don't let it issue it's own DHCP responses.
Have it pass the requests to the existing router.



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Old 01-09-2008, 10:25 PM
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Bill Kearney wrote:
>> Depends on your location. There's essentially no chance of my external
>> cat5 getting hit by ligntning. It runs along the base of a wall, then
>> inside a hedge, to get to my garden shed. Meanwhile my house is about 50ft
>> taller, has a huge metal spike on the roof (ie a TV aerial) and is
>> surrounded by other similar objects. Also I'm in a valley, with many trees
>> at a much higher altitude. And we very rarely get storms...

>
> If the building gets hit then anything with a wire between the buildings is
> going to be at risk.


If the shed gets hit, then I'll be buying more lottery tickets. I have a
better chance of winning that, than a small wooden structure in the
middle of an estate of much taller buildings has of getting struck by
lightning.

Mind you, if the impossible does happen I'm screwed anyway - the mains
power for the shed comes from the main distro board in the house - so a
length of cat5 is neither here nor there.

> But hey, I only ran the networking on an 80 acre campus with over a dozen
> buildings. We had to deal with not only lightning strikes but all sorts of
> ground issues. So forgive me if I don't agree with your logic.


I don't give two hoots how large your cohones are, the point is you
overgeneralise.

I'm sure that in a huge campus of mixed construction with dozens of tall
buildings standing alone in the middle of playing fields, in a
storm-prone district and with different phases supplying different
buildings, and with a mad utility company that's forever relaying
drains, Cat5e is a bad plan.

On the other hand, down a garden in a residential location in the middle
of the UK, a risk this is not.

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Old 01-09-2008, 11:40 PM
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Mark McIntyre wrote:
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>>> Depends on your location. There's essentially no chance of my
>>> external cat5 getting hit by ligntning. It runs along the base of a
>>> wall, then inside a hedge, to get to my garden shed. Meanwhile my
>>> house is about 50ft taller, has a huge metal spike on the roof (ie
>>> a TV aerial) and is surrounded by other similar objects. Also I'm
>>> in a valley, with many trees at a much higher altitude. And we very
>>> rarely get storms...

>>
>> If the building gets hit then anything with a wire between the
>> buildings is going to be at risk.

>
> If the shed gets hit, then I'll be buying more lottery tickets. I
> have a better chance of winning that, than a small wooden structure
> in the middle of an estate of much taller buildings has of getting
> struck by lightning.
>
> Mind you, if the impossible does happen I'm screwed anyway - the mains
> power for the shed comes from the main distro board in the house - so
> a length of cat5 is neither here nor there.
>


Not sure who wrote that, but instead of cat5 look into the powerline
networking (ethernet bridge over powerlines, see the links for more info in
a previous message in this thread).... You situation sounds like what it was
meant for (you already have power from one building to another)......



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Old 01-10-2008, 12:09 AM
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myadmin1@verizon.net wrote:
> On Jan 9, 1:01 pm, "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOS...@AkamailNOSPAM.com>
> wrote:
>> myadm...@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>> Any tips, hints, points to links, etc., would be greatly appreciated
>>> Thank you!!!!!

>>
>> Hows the outbuilding get it's electric? From the house, or a seperate
>> feed/meter?
>>
>> If the same feed/one meter, I've had great sucess with powerline
>> networking, one unit in the house by the modem, and then a second
>> unit with a wap/router whereever I want both wired and wireless..

> ...
> Thanks for that, it's actually going to have it's own meter :-(, so
> that won't work.
>
> What about this:
> What if I get an ethernet switch, plug it into the wall jack closest
> to the garage side of the house, then plug a WAP into that and put
> the parabolic antenna on the AP? First, I'll try the reflector on
> the ActionTec equipment that Verizon gave us (which I "need" because I
> have their FIOS cable TV service). I just can't imagine it increasing
> the signal enough to go across the house, across the span to the
> garage and then into the garage w/enough strength to run the laptop
> satisfactorily.
>
> (Side note: I'd need that ethernet switch since there is a PC in that
> room closest to the garage that I like to have hardwired into the
> network, figured I'd go wall jack to switch, then plug PC and WAP into
> the switch.)
>
> I'm just hoping that, if I'm going to need a WAP, that it'll play nice
> w/the ActionTec router from Verizon, I don't want to get into screwing
> things up.


Okay, no powerline netwoking, another q... what will you be sharing between
the two locations? (just slow stuff like internet, or big files over network
segments?)..

Couldn't tell from your posts, but where are you at (generally).... wireless
is very picky about fresnel zones, snow on the ground, leafs on the trees
(in the spring/summer), landscaping between the buildings (hills/rocks/etc)
.....

Just an aside, we worried about setting up a wireless network for our own
needs, no matter how the connection arrived/rather than based on what was
given us by the provider (we had sat ((deer hunter missed the deer and shot
my sat dish)), then dsl ((squirrels chewed thru the phone cable)), then
comcast cable tv and internet (water got in the cable connections on the
pole and it died)), and now verizon fios ((even a nuke/emp won't kill
fiber!)) and even have the cell phone data thing for emergency backup use
.... We set up the wireless network so it would work the same no matter what
provided us an internet connection.

At any rate, what you had asked about above may/may not work depending on
your location/terrain/climate....



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Old 01-10-2008, 03:04 PM
seaweedsteve
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On Jan 9, 12:58 pm, myadm...@verizon.net wrote:
> On Jan 9, 1:01 pm, "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOS...@AkamailNOSPAM.com>
> wrote:> myadm...@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > > Any tips, hints, points to links, etc., would be greatly appreciated
> > > Thank you!!!!!

>
> > Hows the outbuilding get it's electric? From the house, or a seperate
> > feed/meter?

>
> > If the same feed/one meter, I've had great sucess with powerline networking,
> > one unit in the house by the modem, and then a second unit with a wap/router
> > whereever I want both wired and wireless..

>
> ...
> Thanks for that, it's actually going to have it's own meter :-(, so
> that won't work.
>
> What about this:
> What if I get an ethernet switch, plug it into the wall jack closest
> to the garage side of the house, then plug a WAP into that and put
> the parabolic antenna on the AP? First, I'll try the reflector on
> the ActionTec equipment that Verizon gave us (which I "need" because I
> have their FIOS cable TV service). I just can't imagine it increasing
> the signal enough to go across the house, across the span to the
> garage and then into the garage w/enough strength to run the laptop
> satisfactorily.
>
> (Side note: I'd need that ethernet switch since there is a PC in that
> room closest to the garage that I like to have hardwired into the
> network, figured I'd go wall jack to switch, then plug PC and WAP into
> the switch.)
>
> I'm just hoping that, if I'm going to need a WAP, that it'll play nice
> w/the ActionTec router from Verizon, I don't want to get into screwing
> things up.


I think you have a great game plan there. Try the reflector first,
just for fun. You can use it somewhere someday if not there.

Then get a pair of powerline networking adapters and play. Plug one
in at the router and then another in the garage, just to see. Might
still work across the meter if it's on the same leg from the
transformer. If it works, then you have more options - ie; a third
adapter that is an ap in the garage and the 2nd one with the desktop.

Finally, your plan to put an adapter/wireless router in at the end of
the house by the garage sounds wise. Kill two birds and all that. As
long as the materials between the garage and the desktop are not a
significant barrier (ie. metal firedoors or double walls of concrete).

By the way, my comment about the powerstrip is the common spec they
give. They often do work with powerstrips. Just try it straight
first.

Steve

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Old 01-10-2008, 03:36 PM
myadmin1@verizon.net
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On Jan 10, 11:04 am, seaweedsteve <seaweedst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 12:58 pm, myadm...@verizon.net wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 1:01 pm, "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOS...@AkamailNOSPAM.com>
> > wrote:> myadm...@verizon.net wrote:

>
> > > > Any tips, hints, points to links, etc., would be greatly appreciated
> > > > Thank you!!!!!

>
> > > Hows the outbuilding get it's electric? From the house, or a seperate
> > > feed/meter?

>
> > > If the same feed/one meter, I've had great sucess with powerline networking,
> > > one unit in the house by the modem, and then a second unit with a wap/router
> > > whereever I want both wired and wireless..

>
> > ...
> > Thanks for that, it's actually going to have it's own meter :-(, so
> > that won't work.

>
> > What about this:
> > What if I get an ethernet switch, plug it into the wall jack closest
> > to the garage side of the house, then plug a WAP into that and put
> > the parabolic antenna on the AP? First, I'll try the reflector on
> > the ActionTec equipment that Verizon gave us (which I "need" because I
> > have their FIOS cable TV service). I just can't imagine it increasing
> > the signal enough to go across the house, across the span to the
> > garage and then into the garage w/enough strength to run the laptop
> > satisfactorily.

>
> > (Side note: I'd need that ethernet switch since there is a PC in that
> > room closest to the garage that I like to have hardwired into the
> > network, figured I'd go wall jack to switch, then plug PC and WAP into
> > the switch.)

>
> > I'm just hoping that, if I'm going to need a WAP, that it'll play nice
> > w/the ActionTec router from Verizon, I don't want to get into screwing
> > things up.

>
> I think you have a great game plan there. Try the reflector first,
> just for fun. You can use it somewhere someday if not there.
>
> Then get a pair of powerline networking adapters and play. Plug one
> in at the router and then another in the garage, just to see. Might
> still work across the meter if it's on the same leg from the
> transformer. If it works, then you have more options - ie; a third
> adapter that is an ap in the garage and the 2nd one with the desktop.
>
> Finally, your plan to put an adapter/wireless router in at the end of
> the house by the garage sounds wise. Kill two birds and all that. As
> long as the materials between the garage and the desktop are not a
> significant barrier (ie. metal firedoors or double walls of concrete).
>
> By the way, my comment about the powerstrip is the common spec they
> give. They often do work with powerstrips. Just try it straight
> first.
>
> Steve


Can't do the powerline thing, the garage will have its own service :-(

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Old 01-10-2008, 04:28 PM
myadmin1@verizon.net
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On Jan 10, 11:04 am, seaweedsteve <seaweedst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 12:58 pm, myadm...@verizon.net wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 9, 1:01 pm, "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOS...@AkamailNOSPAM.com>
> > wrote:> myadm...@verizon.net wrote:

>
> > > > Any tips, hints, points to links, etc., would be greatly appreciated
> > > > Thank you!!!!!

>
> > > Hows the outbuilding get it's electric? From the house, or a seperate
> > > feed/meter?

>
> > > If the same feed/one meter, I've had great sucess with powerline networking,
> > > one unit in the house by the modem, and then a second unit with a wap/router
> > > whereever I want both wired and wireless..

>
> > ...
> > Thanks for that, it's actually going to have it's own meter :-(, so
> > that won't work.

>
> > What about this:
> > What if I get an ethernet switch, plug it into the wall jack closest
> > to the garage side of the house, then plug a WAP into that and put
> > the parabolic antenna on the AP? First, I'll try the reflector on
> > the ActionTec equipment that Verizon gave us (which I "need" because I
> > have their FIOS cable TV service). I just can't imagine it increasing
> > the signal enough to go across the house, across the span to the
> > garage and then into the garage w/enough strength to run the laptop
> > satisfactorily.

>
> > (Side note: I'd need that ethernet switch since there is a PC in that
> > room closest to the garage that I like to have hardwired into the
> > network, figured I'd go wall jack to switch, then plug PC and WAP into
> > the switch.)

>
> > I'm just hoping that, if I'm going to need a WAP, that it'll play nice
> > w/the ActionTec router from Verizon, I don't want to get into screwing
> > things up.

>
> I think you have a great game plan there. Try the reflector first,
> just for fun. You can use it somewhere someday if not there.
>
> Then get a pair of powerline networking adapters and play. Plug one
> in at the router and then another in the garage, just to see. Might
> still work across the meter if it's on the same leg from the
> transformer. If it works, then you have more options - ie; a third
> adapter that is an ap in the garage and the 2nd one with the desktop.
>
> Finally, your plan to put an adapter/wireless router in at the end of
> the house by the garage sounds wise. Kill two birds and all that. As
> long as the materials between the garage and the desktop are not a
> significant barrier (ie. metal firedoors or double walls of concrete).
>
> By the way, my comment about the powerstrip is the common spec they
> give. They often do work with powerstrips. Just try it straight
> first.
>
> Steve


Oh, forgot to ask .. is there decent freeware for detecting wireless
networks and their strength so I can tell before/after the parabolic
reflector? (I just like to type "parabolic reflector", makes me seem
wicked smaht!) - I'm from Boston, can ya tell? lol.

I looked at NetStumbler, but not sure if that's a good one or not.

TIA

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Old 01-10-2008, 08:32 PM
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On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Peter Pan"
<PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
<5ul7s4F1i5u93U1@mid.individual.net>:

>... instead of cat5 look into the powerline
>networking (ethernet bridge over powerlines, see the links for more info in
>a previous message in this thread).... You situation sounds like what it was
>meant for (you already have power from one building to another)......


Excellent advice. Powerline networking has really come of age, and is
as good or better than Wi-Fi in many cases. What I'd like to see is
power adapters for laptops with built-in powerline networking through
the same cable to the laptop as the power -- just plug-in and connect.

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Old 01-10-2008, 08:34 PM
John Navas
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:28:37 -0800 (PST), myadmin1@verizon.net wrote in
<5cf9cfb2-ede0-4c8d-a937-1985ad436ef2@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:

>Oh, forgot to ask .. is there decent freeware for detecting wireless
>networks and their strength so I can tell before/after the parabolic
>reflector? (I just like to type "parabolic reflector", makes me seem
>wicked smaht!) - I'm from Boston, can ya tell? lol.
>
>I looked at NetStumbler, but not sure if that's a good one or not.


It's good, will do the job.

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John Navas FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi>
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:01 PM
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Peter Pan wrote:
>
> Not sure who wrote that,


I did.

> but instead of cat5 look into the powerline
> networking (ethernet bridge over powerlines,


Yeah, when my CAT5 next weathers to unusablity I may well do that. When
I first installed it however, 14Mb powerline was still a twinkle in the
PNA's eye and its only in the last 12 months that I've seen cheap and
reliable enough 200Mbps adapters. The lower speeds simply don't cut the
mustard when you're running a video server.... :-)


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Old 01-11-2008, 06:20 AM
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John Navas wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Peter Pan"
> <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
> <5ul7s4F1i5u93U1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> ... instead of cat5 look into the powerline
>> networking (ethernet bridge over powerlines, see the links for more
>> info in a previous message in this thread).... You situation sounds
>> like what it was meant for (you already have power from one building
>> to another)......

>
> Excellent advice. Powerline networking has really come of age, and is
> as good or better than Wi-Fi in many cases. What I'd like to see is
> power adapters for laptops with built-in powerline networking through
> the same cable to the laptop as the power -- just plug-in and connect.


I've been doing that for a few years now.. have a power strip with the
laptop adapter plugged in AND a powerline transciever, just walk into any
room with a plug and plug it in... walla.. power for both!
amazing to me that people dont do that... :) With some of the new higher
speed powerline ethernet bridges, you can plug an ethernet transciever AND a
wap router into one power strip, move around, plug it in, and have an
instant "hotspot" wherever you want one..



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Old 01-11-2008, 06:36 AM
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myadmin1@verizon.net wrote:

>> Steve

>
> Can't do the powerline thing, the garage will have its own service :-(


As the other guy said, no harm in trying, service may not actually matter.
it actually wants things to be on the same leg off the transformer, and in
many areas that means multiple places each with their own meters may still
be on the same leg.. (not always, no guarantee, but sometimes).. Found that
out in one place (an apartment building, each unit with it's own meter, but
the powerline stuff not only worked everywhere in that building, but the two
apt buildings next door!)




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Old 01-11-2008, 06:41 AM
Peter Pan
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myadmin1@verizon.net wrote:
>
> Oh, forgot to ask .. is there decent freeware for detecting wireless
> networks and their strength so I can tell before/after the parabolic
> reflector? (I just like to type "parabolic reflector", makes me seem
> wicked smaht!) - I'm from Boston, can ya tell? lol.
>
> I looked at NetStumbler, but not sure if that's a good one or not.
>
> TIA


Depends... Are you looking for software that is free and will run on a
computer, or one of those little keychain types that light up? if the
software type that runs on a computer, netstumbler is pretty good, but some
of those little ones (nor some PDA's with built in wireless) don't work with
N/Pre-N networks....



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Old 01-11-2008, 06:44 AM
Peter Pan
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Mark McIntyre wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote:
>>
>> Not sure who wrote that,

>
> I did.
>
>> but instead of cat5 look into the powerline
>> networking (ethernet bridge over powerlines,

>
> Yeah, when my CAT5 next weathers to unusablity I may well do that.
> When I first installed it however, 14Mb powerline was still a twinkle
> in the PNA's eye and its only in the last 12 months that I've seen
> cheap and reliable enough 200Mbps adapters. The lower speeds simply
> don't cut the mustard when you're running a video server.... :-)


Just a caveat, do you have GIGAbit ethernet cards in your machines or only
the older 100's? If the older, no way they will run faster than 100



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Old 01-11-2008, 01:56 PM
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On Jan 10, 10:36 am, myadm...@verizon.net wrote:

>
> Can't do the powerline thing, the garage will have its own service :-(



Well, your plan B (or C depending) sounds just as good. Powerline to
that end of the house, put a wireless router there and use it as a
switch/AP.

Put a reflector on it if you need more signal in the garage.

Alternatively, you could cable from a powerline at that end of the
house to the garage, but I would only do that if there was too much
wall to get through, signal wise.

Steve



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