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Old 10-29-2005, 06:53 AM
paranoid
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Default wireless into wire

My son is going to set up an area in the basement for LAN parties...I
haven't figured out what I am going to do yet, but was wondering if there is
a way to do this wirelessly...

His LAN parties, although they probably want internet, mainly are for
playing games against each other...but I do need to somehow get an internet
wire into the switch they are going to be using...

A few years ago I bought a wireless into Ethernet adapter. I did have some
problems with it ( it was for a client).... and I don't think I could run
that into a switch? or could I? and do they still make these?

What would you do? Is there a way to setup another router to accept wireless
as the WAN, and then act as a router serving up the internet from the
wireless?





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Old 10-29-2005, 01:01 PM
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> playing games against each other...but I do need to somehow get an internet
> wire into the switch they are going to be using...


Wireless bridge.

Use a couple of AP's that support bridge mode, or you could buy devices
specifically listed as wireless bridges. Plenty of manufacturers offer
them.

David.

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Old 10-29-2005, 04:13 PM
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"David Taylor" <djtaylor@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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>> playing games against each other...but I do need to somehow get an
>> internet
>> wire into the switch they are going to be using...

>
> Wireless bridge.
>
> Use a couple of AP's that support bridge mode, or you could buy devices
> specifically listed as wireless bridges. Plenty of manufacturers offer
> them.
>
> David.



Those bridges arnt cheap, kind of makes it hard to not just run a wire....

What about this...

What if I installed a wireless card into the desktop, (hopefully it will
reach), and then somehow setup some type of internet-sharing connection
coming out of the windows xp box.....?



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Old 10-29-2005, 05:30 PM
Jeff Liebermann
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 05:53:40 GMT, "paranoid" <none@noneya.com> wrote:

>My son is going to set up an area in the basement for LAN parties...I
>haven't figured out what I am going to do yet, but was wondering if there is
>a way to do this wirelessly...
>
>His LAN parties, although they probably want internet, mainly are for
>playing games against each other...but I do need to somehow get an internet
>wire into the switch they are going to be using...
>
>A few years ago I bought a wireless into Ethernet adapter. I did have some
>problems with it ( it was for a client).... and I don't think I could run
>that into a switch? or could I? and do they still make these?
>
>What would you do? Is there a way to setup another router to accept wireless
>as the WAN, and then act as a router serving up the internet from the
>wireless?


That's a wireless bridge. Some clue as to the manufacturer and model
number would be a big help.

However, I don't think he'll be happy with any type of wireless
arrangement for gameing. I helped setup a similar arrangement for the
local game freaks. It was all wired using common 100baseTX switches.
Upon arrival, everyone complained about the "slow" switch and the
effect is was having on latency, as if a few microseconds would make a
difference in a reaction time type of game. Most of the gamers had
gigabit ethernet cards installed. So, someone found two new Linksys 8
port gigabit ethernet switches and the festivities proceeded with
minimal complaining[1].

I haven't tried exactly this, but if I planted the same number of
wireless computers in the same confined area, there would be so much
mutual RF interference that the packet loss would be horrible. It
might be made to work with perhaps 3 wireless devices, but not with
the dozen kids we had to deal with. Game servers also use quite a bit
of broadcast traffic which tends to really slow down wireless networks
where such traffic must be individually sent to each user. Also, to
reduce latency, the system might be setup as an ad-hoc game network,
where everyone talks to everyone else directly, and not with a central
access point. I don't know if your unspecified wireless bridge would
work in such an ad-hoc arrangement. Connecting an ad-hoc network to
the internet might require ICS or some similar derrangement.

Incidentally, if this is a typical gamers party, be prepared to have
all your ethernet and USB cables walk away after the festivities.
Also, be sure to stock a few spare keyboards as they tend to attract
drinks and food.

[1] One kid insisted that he use his shielded CAT5 cable to insure
that none of the others would "interfere" with is data traffic. Sigh.

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Old 10-29-2005, 06:24 PM
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> Those bridges arnt cheap, kind of makes it hard to not just run a wire....

A Linksys WAP54 at each end? $50 each max? How cheap were you trying
to get?!

> What if I installed a wireless card into the desktop, (hopefully it will
> reach), and then somehow setup some type of internet-sharing connection
> coming out of the windows xp box.....?


You could do but then you'd have to buy the wireless card which given
the hassle isn't that much cheaper than what you're trying to do.

A wireless bridge is the easiest way to go and hardly expensive. Look
on ebay and you'll halve the cost.

David.

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Old 10-29-2005, 06:28 PM
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> However, I don't think he'll be happy with any type of wireless
> arrangement for gameing. I helped setup a similar arrangement for the


I didn't think he was wireless for gaming, just for internet. I got the
impression that the LAN was for the gaming?

David.

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Old 10-29-2005, 08:08 PM
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:28:29 GMT, David Taylor <djtaylor@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>> However, I don't think he'll be happy with any type of wireless
>> arrangement for gameing. I helped setup a similar arrangement for the

>
>I didn't think he was wireless for gaming, just for internet. I got the
>impression that the LAN was for the gaming?


Well yeah, that's possible. The could also be playing online games
from a game server on the internet, which will also work. In these
situations, a single transparent bridge or possible a wireless "game
adapter" that handles multiple PC's will work (depending on what's on
the other end of the wireless link). However, since this is a
temporary setup, I don't see any reason why they couldn't temporarily
run 100ft of CAT5 down the stairs into the basement.

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Old 10-29-2005, 08:21 PM
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"David Taylor" <djtaylor@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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>> However, I don't think he'll be happy with any type of wireless
>> arrangement for gameing. I helped setup a similar arrangement for the

>
> I didn't think he was wireless for gaming, just for internet. I got the
> impression that the LAN was for the gaming?
>
> David.


That is very true...

And I already have a few outdated (802.11b) cards lying around, so no cost
there....Not sharing any files, so 10 mps is plenty enough for internet....





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Old 10-30-2005, 01:32 AM
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:21:39 GMT, "paranoid" <none@noneya.com> wrote:

>
>"David Taylor" <djtaylor@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.1dcdc18bbef4f2bd989ef0@news.cable.ntlwor ld.com...
>>> However, I don't think he'll be happy with any type of wireless
>>> arrangement for gameing. I helped setup a similar arrangement for the

>>
>> I didn't think he was wireless for gaming, just for internet. I got the
>> impression that the LAN was for the gaming?
>>
>> David.

>
>That is very true...


>And I already have a few outdated (802.11b) cards lying around, so no cost
>there....Not sharing any files, so 10 mps is plenty enough for internet....


The fastest 802.11b rate (11Mbits/sec) will yield about 3.5Mbits/sec
thruput. No problem with a 1.5 or 3.0 Mbit/sec DSL connection. Major
bottleneck for a 6Mbit/sec DSL or cable modem connection.

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