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Old 08-19-2006, 10:45 AM
Jim
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Default wireless network

I have a query....

Got a wireless network running in a building across from the one my office
is in. I want to connect wirelessly to the network - which I have done and
everything works. Only problem is that the signal is quite weak.

What I want to do is insert a wireless repeater to boost the signal to my
office. Can I use a simple wireless bridge? If not - what is needed?

I can source the repeater/bridge next to the window so that it is much
nearer and think that will be fine.

TIA



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Old 08-19-2006, 12:09 PM
John Navas
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:45:39 +0100, "Jim" <jim@hmail.com> wrote in
<K9qdnWaa47BIdnvZnZ2dnUVZ8tydnZ2d@pipex.net>:

>Got a wireless network running in a building across from the one my office
>is in. I want to connect wirelessly to the network - which I have done and
>everything works. Only problem is that the signal is quite weak.
>
>What I want to do is insert a wireless repeater to boost the signal to my
>office. Can I use a simple wireless bridge?


No. You can use a wireless client bridge cabled to a wireless access
point (which should be on a different minimally-overlapping channel).
That's the ideal setup.

>If not - what is needed?


Or you could use a WDS repeater if you can find one that works with the
remote access point. You'll probably need to go with the same brand,
and throughput will be cut in half.

>I can source the repeater/bridge next to the window so that it is much
>nearer and think that will be fine.


A directional high-gain antenna might be needed.

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Old 08-19-2006, 03:07 PM
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"Jim" <jim@hmail.com> hath wroth:

>Got a wireless network running in a building across from the one my office
>is in. I want to connect wirelessly to the network - which I have done and
>everything works. Only problem is that the signal is quite weak.


The spirit is willing but the signal is weak? Perhaps if you would
disclose something about what hardware you are using, it might be
possible to offer a suggestion? How far are you trying to go? What
is in between you and the wireless access point? Any metalized mylar
in the windows? Stock rubber ducky antennas or external antenna?
Laptop, desktop, or ethernet client radio? Do you have lots of
altitude so that you're picking up lots of interference from the other
users in the buildings?

>What I want to do is insert a wireless repeater to boost the signal to my
>office. Can I use a simple wireless bridge? If not - what is needed?
>I can source the repeater/bridge next to the window so that it is much
>nearer and think that will be fine.


Hmmm... You've been reading the manufacturers literature. Repeaters
have their own collection of problems. They usually have to be
"supported" by the vendor of the access point or wireless router. A
repeater will work, but you will get half your maximum thruput. If
there's no other way to do this, such as better antennas, then I guess
a repeater will suffice.

If your unspecified wireless router happens to support WDS (wireless
distribution service), then purchase an identical router. This has a
few advantages (which I don't wanna go into right now).

A "simple wireless bridge" won't work directly because wireless bridge
radios are made to talk to each other, not to other access points or
wireless routers. However, you can make a pair of wireless bridge
radios function by simply installing one bridge radio on the LAN side
of the existing wireless router, and another in your office. You will
need to plug into this wireless bridge radio as you cannot connect to
it wirelessly with what I presume is your wireless laptop. Since
there will be two radios operating (the existing wireless router and
the added wireless bridge radio) you will need to select two different
non-interfering channels and different SSID's. Not recommended if you
are the only user in your office area, but a good solution if you are
trying to glue two networks together.

The good news is that most wireless bridge and access point radios
have a repeater mode. No need to buy a dedicated repeater. The
problem is that the insipid literature often doesn't bother mentioning
this feature. Try:
http://www.linksysdata.com/ui/
http://support.dlink.com/emulators/
for various emulators. Dive through the menus and see if your
prospective bridge or access point has a repeater mode.

The same boxes also sometimes have a "wireless client mode". This
will allow you to plug your ethernet cable into the box, and use it to
connect to the wireless router. If located in the window, it will
function in place of whatever you're currently using. The cable may
not be convenient, but you may be able to position the wireless client
in a better location than your presumed laptop.

In the future, if you have a question, kindly supply:
1. What you are trying to accomplish? (you did that nicely)
2. What you have to work with? (hardware, software, topography, etc)?

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Old 08-19-2006, 07:31 PM
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"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
news:i49ee2hr3avcd5ami5nfvsqe4c28ffnvo0@4ax.com...
> "Jim" <jim@hmail.com> hath wroth:
>
>>Got a wireless network running in a building across from the one my office
>>is in. I want to connect wirelessly to the network - which I have done and
>>everything works. Only problem is that the signal is quite weak.

>
> The spirit is willing but the signal is weak? Perhaps if you would
> disclose something about what hardware you are using, it might be
> possible to offer a suggestion? How far are you trying to go? What
> is in between you and the wireless access point? Any metalized mylar
> in the windows? Stock rubber ducky antennas or external antenna?
> Laptop, desktop, or ethernet client radio? Do you have lots of
> altitude so that you're picking up lots of interference from the other
> users in the buildings?
>


ADSL wireless router is linksys. Not far at all - maybe 15 yards. Problem is
that there is quite a lot of concrete and oak inbetween. Normal windows,
simple old fashioned double glazed. Only three clients connecting..

>>What I want to do is insert a wireless repeater to boost the signal to my
>>office. Can I use a simple wireless bridge? If not - what is needed?
>>I can source the repeater/bridge next to the window so that it is much
>>nearer and think that will be fine.

>
> Hmmm... You've been reading the manufacturers literature. Repeaters
> have their own collection of problems. They usually have to be
> "supported" by the vendor of the access point or wireless router. A
> repeater will work, but you will get half your maximum thruput. If
> there's no other way to do this, such as better antennas, then I guess
> a repeater will suffice.
>

No, I have not been reading literature.

> If your unspecified wireless router happens to support WDS (wireless
> distribution service), then purchase an identical router. This has a
> few advantages (which I don't wanna go into right now).
>
> A "simple wireless bridge" won't work directly because wireless bridge
> radios are made to talk to each other, not to other access points or
> wireless routers. However, you can make a pair of wireless bridge
> radios function by simply installing one bridge radio on the LAN side
> of the existing wireless router, and another in your office. You will
> need to plug into this wireless bridge radio as you cannot connect to
> it wirelessly with what I presume is your wireless laptop. Since
> there will be two radios operating (the existing wireless router and
> the added wireless bridge radio) you will need to select two different
> non-interfering channels and different SSID's. Not recommended if you
> are the only user in your office area, but a good solution if you are
> trying to glue two networks together.
>
> The good news is that most wireless bridge and access point radios
> have a repeater mode. No need to buy a dedicated repeater. The
> problem is that the insipid literature often doesn't bother mentioning
> this feature. Try:
> http://www.linksysdata.com/ui/
> http://support.dlink.com/emulators/
> for various emulators. Dive through the menus and see if your
> prospective bridge or access point has a repeater mode.
>
> The same boxes also sometimes have a "wireless client mode". This
> will allow you to plug your ethernet cable into the box, and use it to
> connect to the wireless router. If located in the window, it will
> function in place of whatever you're currently using. The cable may
> not be convenient, but you may be able to position the wireless client
> in a better location than your presumed laptop.
>
> In the future, if you have a question, kindly supply:
> 1. What you are trying to accomplish? (you did that nicely)
> 2. What you have to work with? (hardware, software, topography, etc)?


I think that the easiest way to solve this problem is to use a bridge and
plug an access point into the bridge via ethernet. I can use a different
channel to the router and bridge and this will be fine.

>
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> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558




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Old 08-19-2006, 09:39 PM
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:31:29 +0100, "Jim" <jim@hmail.com> wrote:

>ADSL wireless router is linksys.


Model number of Linksys? Many Linksys models have the WDS repeater
feature.

>Not far at all - maybe 15 yards. Problem is
>that there is quite a lot of concrete and oak inbetween. Normal windows,
>simple old fashioned double glazed. Only three clients connecting..


Concrete is bad. RF does not go through it. If you can see the
Linksys wireless router, you can connect. Put a few obstacles in the
way, and it's not going to work.

>No, I have not been reading literature.


Good. You're still sane.

>I think that the easiest way to solve this problem is to use a bridge and
>plug an access point into the bridge via ethernet. I can use a different
>channel to the router and bridge and this will be fine.


A WDS repeater is the easiest way, although configuration is a bit of
a challenge. This might help:
http://www.linksysinfo.org/portal/fo...ad.php?t=47118


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Old 08-21-2006, 03:49 AM
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:31:29 +0100, "Jim" <jim@hmail.com> wrote:

[..]

> Concrete is bad. RF does not go through it. If you can see the
> Linksys wireless router, you can connect. Put a few obstacles in the
> way, and it's not going to work.
>
> >No, I have not been reading literature.

>
> Good. You're still sane.


Glad to know that even the expert like you feel that way.


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