Wireless Network Bridge - Looking for Recommendations

Hi,

I'm looking (in the UK) for a wireless network bridge. I want to set
up a
hard drive in my father's attic for him to back-up valuable personal
data.
Any recommendation for a reliable network bridge?

I've looked at various integrated options but there are major drawbacks
to
each of them:

Tritton (TRI-WHD1200 Wireless NAS)
http://www.trittontechnologies.com/p...TRIWHD1200.htm

Limited to 250GB hard drive and not able to form part of an existing
Wireless Network i.e. it has to be set-up with a unique SSID. No UK
retailers.


Actiontec
http://www.actiontec.com/products/ho...snas/index.php

Poor information on website and as yet (3 weeks) no response from an
e-mail
enquiry.


Iomega
http://www.iomega-europe.com/item?SI...&sku=204133351

Has everything I need but is too large at 1TB and too expensive.


Anyway, back to the original question; recommendations for a good,
reliable
netwrok bridge?

Regards and thanks in advance.

AlanC

"AlanC" <alclegg@onetel.com> hath wroth:

>I'm looking (in the UK) for a wireless network bridge. I want to set
>up a
>hard drive in my father's attic for him to back-up valuable personal
>data.

Yech. The attic is the worst place to put electronics. It gets VERY
hot in the summer and could cook the drive. In case of fire, it will
be the least likely location to survive. Put it down low, in an area
with better temperature control.

>Any recommendation for a reliable network bridge?

CAT5. You wanted reliable, and copper wiring is the most reliable.

>Anyway, back to the original question; recommendations for a good,
>reliable
>netwrok bridge?

Let's make life easy (for me). Consider the wireless and NAS parts
seperately. If the NAS device can do ethernet, it can do wireless by
simply adding an "ethernet wireless client bridge". Any wireless
device that has a client mode will work. See:
<http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Ethernet_Bridges>
Just make sure it has a "client mode". Any of the "game adapters"
will work.

For NAS, I've been using various boxes by Buffalo and Simpletech.
Neither is wireless, particularly wonderful, offers anything unique. I
treat them as commodity items at $150 for 250GBytes is cheap.

The big problem you're going to have is speed. With a 54Mbit/sec
wireless connection, the BEST you can do is about 25Mbits/sec. The
various proprietary modes might get you to 60Mbits/sec, but that's at
fairly short range and not going through any walls. At the distances
that you can get 60Mbits/sec thruput, you are close enough that CAT5
cable will be both better and more reliable. Recently, MIMO devices
have offered as much as 400Mbits/sec thruput (using both 802.11a and
802.11g simulaneously), but you don't want to know the current price.

Anyway, you can continue your quest for a wireless NAS in one box, but
methinks you'll do better with seperate boxes.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff,

I've discounted a single device to do both jobs for the reasons I
outlined in the original post. Running ethernet cable from my father's
computer to the attic is not an option hence the requirement for a
wireless bridge. I'm simply after recommendations for a reliable
wireless bridge from those that have experience of them. Amongst many
others I've looked at the Linksys WET54G which sounds promising. For
the NAS element I'm looking at either Western Digital or Buffalo and
250GB should be ample.

I'm planning on the attic as there is cooling up there and whilst he's
been broken into twice he's never had a fire and I figure that hidden
in the attic is as secure as I can realistically make it.

Regards

AlanC

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> "AlanC" <alclegg@onetel.com> hath wroth:
>
> >I'm looking (in the UK) for a wireless network bridge. I want to set
> >up a
> >hard drive in my father's attic for him to back-up valuable personal
> >data.
>
> Yech. The attic is the worst place to put electronics. It gets VERY
> hot in the summer and could cook the drive. In case of fire, it will
> be the least likely location to survive. Put it down low, in an area
> with better temperature control.
>
> >Any recommendation for a reliable network bridge?
>
> CAT5. You wanted reliable, and copper wiring is the most reliable.
>
> >Anyway, back to the original question; recommendations for a good,
> >reliable
> >netwrok bridge?
>
> Let's make life easy (for me). Consider the wireless and NAS parts
> seperately. If the NAS device can do ethernet, it can do wireless by
> simply adding an "ethernet wireless client bridge". Any wireless
> device that has a client mode will work. See:
> <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Ethernet_Bridges>
> Just make sure it has a "client mode". Any of the "game adapters"
> will work.
>
> For NAS, I've been using various boxes by Buffalo and Simpletech.
> Neither is wireless, particularly wonderful, offers anything unique. I
> treat them as commodity items at $150 for 250GBytes is cheap.
>
> The big problem you're going to have is speed. With a 54Mbit/sec
> wireless connection, the BEST you can do is about 25Mbits/sec. The
> various proprietary modes might get you to 60Mbits/sec, but that's at
> fairly short range and not going through any walls. At the distances
> that you can get 60Mbits/sec thruput, you are close enough that CAT5
> cable will be both better and more reliable. Recently, MIMO devices
> have offered as much as 400Mbits/sec thruput (using both 802.11a and
> 802.11g simulaneously), but you don't want to know the current price.
>
> Anyway, you can continue your quest for a wireless NAS in one box, but
> methinks you'll do better with seperate boxes.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
> 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

> I've discounted a single device to do both jobs for the reasons I
> outlined in the original post. Running ethernet cable from my father's
> computer to the attic is not an option hence the requirement for a
> wireless bridge. I'm simply after recommendations for a reliable
> wireless bridge from those that have experience of them. Amongst many
> others I've looked at the Linksys WET54G which sounds promising. For
> the NAS element I'm looking at either Western Digital or Buffalo and
> 250GB should be ample.
>
> I'm planning on the attic as there is cooling up there and whilst he's
> been broken into twice he's never had a fire and I figure that hidden
> in the attic is as secure as I can realistically make it.
>

Hmmm - only reason why I think anybody would want to put a HDD on a wireless
bridge into the loft is because they want to make it difficult to find
because it contains something dodgy. I'll let peoples imagination decide
what 'dodgy' means.

You're right I do want to make it difficult to find. As I previously
explained, my father has been broken into twice and on both occasions
had his computer stolen. If he backs-up to a NAS that's sat on his
desk next to his computer you can guarantee that it will also be taken.
I'm simply trying to ensure that he has the most secure back-up that I
can pragmatically provide.

Why is it that because I want to do something that you don't, you
automatically assume there's something dodgy about it? Not that it's
any of your business put the data is predominantly financial i.e.
investment history, portfollios etc and his own program to deal with
the tracking of values and the tax liabilities etc etc.

AlanC

news.ntlworld.com wrote:
> > I've discounted a single device to do both jobs for the reasons I
> > outlined in the original post. Running ethernet cable from my father's
> > computer to the attic is not an option hence the requirement for a
> > wireless bridge. I'm simply after recommendations for a reliable
> > wireless bridge from those that have experience of them. Amongst many
> > others I've looked at the Linksys WET54G which sounds promising. For
> > the NAS element I'm looking at either Western Digital or Buffalo and
> > 250GB should be ample.
> >
> > I'm planning on the attic as there is cooling up there and whilst he's
> > been broken into twice he's never had a fire and I figure that hidden
> > in the attic is as secure as I can realistically make it.
> >
>
> Hmmm - only reason why I think anybody would want to put a HDD on a wireless
> bridge into the loft is because they want to make it difficult to find
> because it contains something dodgy. I'll let peoples imagination decide
> what 'dodgy' means.

In article <1167771710.940662.263420@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
AlanC <alclegg@onetel.com> wrote:
>You're right I do want to make it difficult to find. As I previously
>explained, my father has been broken into twice and on both occasions
>had his computer stolen. If he backs-up to a NAS that's sat on his
>desk next to his computer you can guarantee that it will also be taken.
> I'm simply trying to ensure that he has the most secure back-up that I
>can pragmatically provide.

I have not experienced much burglary, but I am much more paranoid about
my backups than you. My solution is to use a pair of external USB 2.0
disk drives for backup. At any given time, one of these drives is
connected to my home computer, and the other one is sitting in a drawer
in my place of work. I swap these drives once a month. My reasoning is
that fire/earthquake/burglary is possible at both locations, but
destruction at both locations simultaneously is not very likely.

Do you visit your father often? If so, I suggest that this backup strategy
would suit you well. A pair of ordinary USB disk drives is a lot simpler
than a wireless network, more secure, and possibly cheaper too. You
could keep one drive at your father's home and one at your own home.

>Why is it that because I want to do something that you don't, you
>automatically assume there's something dodgy about it? Not that it's
>any of your business put the data is predominantly financial i.e.
>investment history, portfollios etc and his own program to deal with
>the tracking of values and the tax liabilities etc etc.

I agree 100%. I cannot accept the casual attitude that most people have
about backing up their computer data. Apart from the financial data,
people are ditching their film cameras in favor digital at high speed.
Music is migrating from the CD rack to the computer as well. The data
on home computers gets more precious every year. It's all good, it should
be protected, and it should be private.
--
David Arnstein (00)
arnstein+usenet@pobox.com {{ }}
^^

"AlanC" <alclegg@onetel.com> wrote in message
news:1167765944.339982.44860@i12g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Jeff,
>
> I've discounted a single device to do both jobs for the reasons I
> outlined in the original post. Running ethernet cable from my father's
> computer to the attic is not an option hence the requirement for a
> wireless bridge. I'm simply after recommendations for a reliable
> wireless bridge from those that have experience of them. Amongst many
> others I've looked at the Linksys WET54G which sounds promising. For
> the NAS element I'm looking at either Western Digital or Buffalo and
> 250GB should be ample.
>

I have deployed approx 20 WET54G's both version 2 and version 3. The version
2 bridges worked well if the signal was strong. If the signal was variable
(shooting through several walls or long distances) they would tend to lock
up frequently. Most of the version 3's - about 8 - that I have out there
seem to require a reboot every week or so. A couple of them hang in there
for a month or two at a time.

For the last couple of weeks I have been testing a pair of WRT54G routers
with DD-WRT. So far so good. If it were up to me I would give the WRT54G
DD-WRT combo a try, it is also cheaper than the bridge.

Ian

On 2 Jan 2007 11:25:44 -0800, "AlanC" <alclegg@onetel.com> wrote:

>I've discounted a single device to do both jobs for the reasons I
>outlined in the original post. Running ethernet cable from my father's
>computer to the attic is not an option hence the requirement for a
>wireless bridge. I'm simply after recommendations for a reliable
>wireless bridge from those that have experience of them.

Ok, that's reasonable. For a wireless ethernet client bridge I've
used:

Linksys WET11 - Flakey. Doesn't work reliably as peer to peer.
Linksys WPA11 - Hangs all the time. No WPA.
Linksys WAP54G - Hangs erratically.
Dlink DWL900AP+ - Very reliable but only 802.11b. No WPA.
Buffalo WLI-TX4-G54HP - So far so good. Works nice. No surprises.
3com something workgroup bridge - Complicated setup but ok.
Cisco 342 Workgroup bridge - Very nice but 802.11b only.
Cisco 350 Workgroup bridge - Very very very nice, but expensive.
Linksys something Game Adapter - Limited testing but seems to be ok.

I've also been playing with a WRT54GS v4.0 and a Buffalo WHR-HP-G54
router configured with DD-WRT firmware v23 SP2. This has a client
mode, which seems to work well enough. However, I've done no real
testing and have only been playing when I have the chance. Still, I
suggest you look into this approach as it has the advantage of open
source firmware.

>Amongst many
>others I've looked at the Linksys WET54G which sounds promising. For
>the NAS element I'm looking at either Western Digital or Buffalo and
>250GB should be ample.

Well, it's none of my business but if all you're backing up are some
financial records and maybe the usual docs, methinks a 1GB or 2GB
removeable USB flash memory thing would be sufficient for backups.
250GB would make sense if you're archiving images of multiple machines
or collecting music and videos.

I've had a bit too much entertainment with several Buffalo
Linkstations. I sold and installed 5 of them. 3 worked without much
trouble. The other two drove me nuts. The problem was that the web
interface for configuration of the server was incredibly slow. The
supplied Windoze domain authentication barely works and has some
weirdness (as outlined in the docs). The admin tools seem to only
find the server some of the time. Directory and volume passwords were
difficult to configure. Password sync with a PDC/BDC would fail
erratically.

So, I switched to SimpleTech SimpleShare 250GB.
<http://www.simpleshare.com>
The interface was quite different, more detailed, much faster, and
showed none of the oddities I found in the Buffalo products setup.
However, all is not perfect. It was a bit slower than I expected. I
had a hell of time trying to add an external USB drive. It hated my
USB flash drive. The docs are in some odd English dialect.

Here's a review which fairly well covers everything except the
filesystem specifics:
<http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=23586>

I'm not going to say recommened, but it's the best of the what I've
seen on the bottom end of the price scale. If you want to spend the
bucks for quality, see:
<http://www.snapappliance.com>

>I'm planning on the attic as there is cooling up there and whilst he's
>been broken into twice he's never had a fire and I figure that hidden
>in the attic is as secure as I can realistically make it.

If theft is an issue, I suggest you reconsider and look into
removeable backups such as DVD, USB flash drives, or external USB
removable drives. By removing the backups from the premisis, the
chances of having something happen to both the computer and the
backups is greatly reduced[1].



[1] Greatly reduced but not eliminated. In 1989, we had an earthquake
in Santa Cruz. My customers backups were in a bank safe deposit box.
Some buildings collapsed, converting the servers into scrap metal. I
built up new servers but couldn't get to the backup data for about 2
weeks while officials and attorney's debated the liability issues of
who would be responsible if we had another quake while recovering the
backups. I'll spare you the details of the bureaucratic idiocy but
it's sufficient to say that none of my customers backups are now in
bank safe deposit boxes, and are all easily accessible when necessary.


--
# Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060
# 831-336-2558 jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us
# http://802.11junk.com jeffl@cruzio.com
# http://www.LearnByDestroying.com AE6KS

"Ian" <ian_agerskov@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "AlanC" <alclegg@onetel.com> wrote in message
> news:1167765944.339982.44860@i12g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>> Jeff,
>>
>> I've discounted a single device to do both jobs for the reasons I
>> outlined in the original post. Running ethernet cable from my father's
>> computer to the attic is not an option hence the requirement for a
>> wireless bridge. I'm simply after recommendations for a reliable
>> wireless bridge from those that have experience of them. Amongst many
>> others I've looked at the Linksys WET54G which sounds promising. For
>> the NAS element I'm looking at either Western Digital or Buffalo and
>> 250GB should be ample.
>>
>
> I have deployed approx 20 WET54G's both version 2 and version 3. The
> version 2 bridges worked well if the signal was strong. If the signal was
> variable (shooting through several walls or long distances) they would
> tend to lock up frequently. Most of the version 3's - about 8 - that I
> have out there seem to require a reboot every week or so. A couple of them
> hang in there for a month or two at a time.
>
> For the last couple of weeks I have been testing a pair of WRT54G routers
> with DD-WRT. So far so good. If it were up to me I would give the WRT54G
> DD-WRT combo a try, it is also cheaper than the bridge.
>
> Ian
>
Sorry should read WRT54GL Routers

Ian