I am trying to setup a wireless access point for my XBox. I have my
main wireless router (DLink 2310) hardwired to my cable modem and want
to have my second wireless router (Linksys WRT54GC) setup as an access
point without having to hardwire it to my main router. Is this
possible?
I would like to hardwire my Xbox into the 2nd router and be able to get
on Xbox Live through the main router, wirelessly.
Please let me know if any clarification is needed. I hope I've
explained this well enough. I've hit a brick wall with this, after a
lot of searching google and xbox.com. I've heard that this may not be
possible, but I'm not sure I can trust that source.
On 28 Nov 2006 06:35:39 -0800, "Tara" <tgarard@earthlink.net> wrote in
<1164724539.571636.213360@45g2000cws.googlegroups. com>:
>I am trying to setup a wireless access point for my XBox. I have my
>main wireless router (DLink 2310) hardwired to my cable modem and want
>to have my second wireless router (Linksys WRT54GC) setup as an access
>point without having to hardwire it to my main router. Is this
>possible?
What you want is a "wireless Ethernet bridge". See if your router
supports that mode. If not, you'll need either 3rd party firmware or a
different product.
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On 28 Nov 2006 06:35:39 -0800, "Tara" <tgarard@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I am trying to setup a wireless access point for my XBox. I have my
>main wireless router (DLink 2310)
That would be a Dlink WBR-2310. Please do not abrev or trunc.
I'll assume Xbox 360.
>hardwired to my cable modem and want
>to have my second wireless router (Linksys WRT54GC) setup as an access
>point without having to hardwire it to my main router. Is this
>possible?
No. Not with the WRT54GC.
>I would like to hardwire my Xbox into the 2nd router and be able to get
>on Xbox Live through the main router, wirelessly.
That's not what you previously asked. Basically, the WRT54GC isn't
going to do anything useful.
First, what's wrong with the offical Microsloth Xbox 360 USB wireless
contrivance?
<http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessnetadapter/default.htm>
I can find a suitable alternative, but why bother.
>Please let me know if any clarification is needed. I hope I've
>explained this well enough. I've hit a brick wall with this, after a
>lot of searching google and xbox.com. I've heard that this may not be
>possible, but I'm not sure I can trust that source.
The nice thing about hitting a brick wall is that it feels so good
when you stop.
Clarifications:
1. Which Xbox do you have?
2. Whats wrong with the offical Xbox wireless device (other than the
price)?
3. How far away is the Dlink WBR-2310? Got any walls or floors in
the way? 2.4Ghz doesn't like going through these.
4. Any possible sources of interference nearby? (Microwave ovens,
2.4GHz cordless phones, municipal wireless, other 802.11 devices,
etc)?
> That would be a Dlink WBR-2310. Please do not abrev or trunc.
> I'll assume Xbox 360.
You are correct with the router name - sorry for the abbv. I have a
regular Xbox - not the 360.
> No. Not with the WRT54GC.
So, I can't set the WRT54GC up as an access point? From the box - it
says that I can. ??
> That's not what you previously asked. Basically, the WRT54GC isn't
> going to do anything useful.
I'm not sure what you are inferring by "not what you previously
asked". I was using two paragraphs to explain what I was trying to do.
Why exactly isn't the WRT54GC useful? Just in this situation - or in
any other?
> First, what's wrong with the offical Microsloth Xbox 360 USB wireless
> contrivance?
> <http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessnetadapter/default.htm>
One, I don't have a 360, and two - you are correct - it's the price.
I don't want to pay $100 for the adapter if I can help it.
> I can find a suitable alternative, but why bother.
Why the animosity?
> Clarifications:
> 3. How far away is the Dlink WBR-2310? Got any walls or floors in
> the way? 2.4Ghz doesn't like going through these.
Only one wall
> 4. Any possible sources of interference nearby? (Microwave ovens,
> 2.4GHz cordless phones, municipal wireless, other 802.11 devices,
> etc)?
No interference from any of these things that you listed.
> What you want is a "wireless Ethernet bridge". See if your router
> supports that mode. If not, you'll need either 3rd party firmware or a
> different product.
John,
Can you explain exactly why a bridge is needed and a router/access
point won't work? I've tried finding out this information and I'm
having a hard time getting an answer. I am a sys admin and even the
guys that I work with are hard-pressed to answer this question. Thanks
for the reply!
On 29 Nov 2006 05:28:22 -0800, "Tara" <tgarard@earthlink.net> wrote in
<1164806902.708276.258780@80g2000cwy.googlegroups. com>:
>> What you want is a "wireless Ethernet bridge". See if your router
>> supports that mode. If not, you'll need either 3rd party firmware or a
>> different product.
>Can you explain exactly why a bridge is needed and a router/access
>point won't work? I've tried finding out this information and I'm
>having a hard time getting an answer. I am a sys admin and even the
>guys that I work with are hard-pressed to answer this question. Thanks
>for the reply!
The network topology of an Infrastructure Wireless LAN (WLAN) is a
point-to-multipoint star, with a single central controller (wireless
access point or wireless router), and one or more wireless clients.
* Clients can connect to one and only one access point, and not to
other clients.
* An access point can only connect to clients, not to other access
points.
Some products can be switched between different modes; e.g., either
an access point or a client bridge, but not both at the same time.
Most Wi-Fi WLANs are Infrastructure.
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On 29 Nov 2006 05:26:29 -0800, "Tara" <tgarard@earthlink.net> wrote in
<1164806789.542000.75610@14g2000cws.googlegroups.c om>:
>> That would be a Dlink WBR-2310. Please do not abrev or trunc.
>> I'll assume Xbox 360.
>
>You are correct with the router name - sorry for the abbv. I have a
>regular Xbox - not the 360.
>
>> No. Not with the WRT54GC.
>
>So, I can't set the WRT54GC up as an access point? From the box - it
>says that I can. ??
You can't set it up as a Wireless _client_ (Ethernet bridge), which is
what you really need.
>> That's not what you previously asked. Basically, the WRT54GC isn't
>> going to do anything useful.
>
>I'm not sure what you are inferring by "not what you previously
>asked". I was using two paragraphs to explain what I was trying to do.
> Why exactly isn't the WRT54GC useful? Just in this situation - or in
>any other?
Your situation.
>> First, what's wrong with the offical Microsloth Xbox 360 USB wireless
>> contrivance?
>> <http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessnetadapter/default.htm>
>
>One, I don't have a 360, and two - you are correct - it's the price.
>I don't want to pay $100 for the adapter if I can help it.
>
>> I can find a suitable alternative, but why bother.
>Why the animosity?
There's no animosity there, just a rhetorical question.
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John, what's the difference if the white space is caused by a navigation
column or ad column or if the column was set to 600 pixels?
I have got my pound of flesh. Back to my WHR-G54S
John Navas wrote:
>> My God, just LOOK at all the white space around the text. Don't they
>> know anything of proper page design?
>
> White space? Scroll up. That's a navigation column on the left, and an
> ad column on the right.
>
>> 600 pixels or bust.
>
> Not if you expect me and others like me to respect it.
>
>> John Navas wrote:
>>> <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Infrastructure>
>
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:24:19 -0600, Louis Ohland <ohland@charter.net>
wrote in <Uuibh.18$V54.10@newsfe06.lga>:
>John, what's the difference if the white space is caused by a navigation
>column or ad column or if the column was set to 600 pixels?
Columns of navigation and ads _aren't_ white space.
Regardless, Wikia _isn't_ a good model of web page design.
I just put up with that because it's free wiki.
My own Web pages are better examples of good design:
<http://sail.navas.us>
<http://navasgroup.com>
>I have got my pound of flesh.
How nice.
>Back to my WHR-G54S
>John Navas wrote:
>>> My God, just LOOK at all the white space around the text. Don't they
>>> know anything of proper page design?
>>
>> White space? Scroll up. That's a navigation column on the left, and an
>> ad column on the right.
>>
>>> 600 pixels or bust.
>>
>> Not if you expect me and others like me to respect it.
>>
>>> John Navas wrote:
>>>> <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Infrastructure>
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>> That would be a Dlink WBR-2310. Please do not abrev or trunc.
>> I'll assume Xbox 360.
>
>You are correct with the router name - sorry for the abbv. I have a
>regular Xbox - not the 360.
OK, the regular Xbox requires an ethernet wireless bridge or wireless
client radio, not USB.
>> No. Not with the WRT54GC.
>
>So, I can't set the WRT54GC up as an access point? From the box - it
>says that I can. ??
Yes, you can set it up as an access point. The catch is that there's
no way to use it as a client adapter for your Xbox. Wireless client
adapters talk to access points. Access points don't talk to other
access points except using WDS, which neither the WBR-2310 or the
WRT54GC support. You're looking for the wrong device which is why
you're having trouble finding something.
>> That's not what you previously asked. Basically, the WRT54GC isn't
>> going to do anything useful.
>
>I'm not sure what you are inferring by "not what you previously
>asked". I was using two paragraphs to explain what I was trying to do.
> Why exactly isn't the WRT54GC useful? Just in this situation - or in
>any other?
Because what you need is a device that acts like a wireless client,
not like an infrastructure access point router. Many wireless access
points do have a "client mode", but the WRT54GC does not.
>> I can find a suitable alternative, but why bother.
>Why the animosity?
No animosity. Try not to read too much between my lines. The "why
bother" was in reference to my incorrect assumption that you have an
Xbox 360 and can use the official MS wireless adapter. I started to
make a list of alternatives and decided it wasn't worth the effort at
the time.
Also, I'm not into diplomacy, just accuracy and numbers. If you want
to subsidize my decadent and lavish lifestyle, I can turn on the charm
and diplomacy. For an extra charge, I'll run a spelling chequer. For
my normal consulting rates, I'll even proof read my answers.
>> Clarifications:
>> 3. How far away is the Dlink WBR-2310? Got any walls or floors in
>> the way? 2.4Ghz doesn't like going through these.
>
>Only one wall
No problem as long as the wall is not concrete, foil backed
insulation, foil backed wallpaper, or stuffed with chicken wire. I
note that you didn't mention how many feet. The reason I asked is
that there's a difference in range between cheap USB radios with tiny
antennas, and ethernet wireless bridges or game adapters, with the
potential for adding external antennas.
One of these should work:
<http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=383&#DGL-3420>
<http://www.buffalotech.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=118&categoryid=29>
<http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1&childpagename=US%2FLayout &cid=1115416940536&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVis itorWrapper> http://www.netgear.com/Products/Adap...rs/WGE111.aspx
The ones labeled "game adapter".
There are also a number of wireless access points that have a client
mode. If the above list is insufficient, I can dig out a few of
these.
I've only had personal experience with a Linksys WGA54G at a friends
with an older Xbox. It works well enough but is rather pricey at $80.
One gotcha that drives me nuts is that none of the aforementioned
products bother to mention how many game consoles can be connected via
wireless to your Dlink WBR-2310. Some are limited to exactly one game
console. Others, such as the WET11 and WET54G will allow attaching an
ethernet switch with as many as 30 devices through the wireless.
Sorry, but I don't have any numbers on the ones I listed.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:25:43 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in
<dterm25ppbrpl5ovd5cim5mb7oujebtvem@4ax.com>:
>One of these should work:
><http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=383&#DGL-3420>
><http://www.buffalotech.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=118&categoryid=29>
><http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C1&childpagename=US%2FLayout &cid=1115416940536&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVis itorWrapper>
>http://www.netgear.com/Products/Adap...rs/WGE111.aspx
>The ones labeled "game adapter".
>
>There are also a number of wireless access points that have a client
>mode. If the above list is insufficient, I can dig out a few of
>these.
>
>I've only had personal experience with a Linksys WGA54G at a friends
>with an older Xbox. It works well enough but is rather pricey at $80.
>
>One gotcha that drives me nuts is that none of the aforementioned
>products bother to mention how many game consoles can be connected via
>wireless to your Dlink WBR-2310. Some are limited to exactly one game
>console. Others, such as the WET11 and WET54G will allow attaching an
>ethernet switch with as many as 30 devices through the wireless.
>Sorry, but I don't have any numbers on the ones I listed.
Summarized at
<http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Ethernet_Bridges>.
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>> What you want is a "wireless Ethernet bridge". See if your router
>> supports that mode. If not, you'll need either 3rd party firmware or a
>> different product.
>John,
>
>Can you explain exactly why a bridge is needed and a router/access
>point won't work? I've tried finding out this information and I'm
>having a hard time getting an answer. I am a sys admin and even the
>guys that I work with are hard-pressed to answer this question. Thanks
>for the reply!
I prefer to call it an "ethernet client adapter" or "game adapter" but
most vendors like to call it a "wireless ethernet bridge".
John answered most of the question. I'll try to fill in some detail
and background.
The problem your facing is that the various vendors have been very
creative on naming wireless devices. Worse, many of them are
multifunction in that they have multiple modes and configurations. I
tried to organize the terminology in the FAQ with:
<http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Bridge_Types>
It's not perfect, but it's the best I can do considering the muddle.
The thing to remember is that *ALL* wireless communications is
bridging in that it works on ISO Layer 2 (the MAC layer). The only
involvement with TCP/IP Layer 3 features is in the management
interface and the often attached IP router section.
The other item of importance is that there two topologies. Peer to
peer, also known as ad-hoc, where all the wireless clients talk to
each other directly. There is no access point in ad-hoc. MS limits
the number of participants to 9 clients.
The other is the more common infrastructure mode. There are access
points and there are client radios. For two clients to talk to each
other, they must go through the access point. This is the most common
type of wireless network.
Access points normally do not talk to other access points. However,
there is a protocol called WDS which allows supported access points to
talk to each other and act as a transparent bridge while
simultaneously acting as a wireless access point. If both your
wireless devices supported WDS, you could have plugged the Xbox into
one, and used it to talk to the other.
The term "wireless router" simply means a wireless access point with a
built in ethernet switch, where one of the ethernet ports goes to an
internal IP router. It's exactly the same as if you had just a
wireless access point, and attached an external IP router.
There's more, that will do for now. Any questions?
>My God, just LOOK at all the white space around the text. Don't they
>know anything of proper page design?
>
>600 pixels or bust.
Auto-adjustable HTML screen size or you can buy a real monitor. Thanks
for not mentioning how it looks using lynx. Lots of cheap LCD
monitors available at the stores and online.
You missed the fun a few months ago when the FAQ was ejected from
WikiBooks. The advantage of WikiBooks was that they did not pollute
the page with advertisements and excessive navigation tools. There
was more room for content. We searched for a suitable replacement
home for the FAQ and ended up on Wikia. There were others that were
far worse. My only objection to Wikia was the advertising area, which
I'll deem as a necessary evil since someone has to pay for the
servers.
John did almost all of the real work on the FAQ. I just contributed
some content, ideas, and criticism. Please note that relevent content
and corrections are welcome as a Wiki is a user supported effort.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:55:18 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in
<0nhrm2ljff7hvin2flgnjmfsn1qkut2cdj@4ax.com>:
>>John Navas wrote:
>>> <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Infrastructure>
>
>John did almost all of the real work on the FAQ. I just contributed
>some content, ideas, and criticism.
Which was invaluable.
>Please note that relevent content
>and corrections are welcome as a Wiki is a user supported effort.
Amen.
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I just found a forum that posts how to make the WRT54G operate in
client mode. The firmware update doesn't say that it's for the "GC",
so I'm not sure if it would work or not. I'm also not sure I want to
pay $20 to find out.
On 29 Nov 2006 12:11:51 -0800, "Tara" <tgarard@earthlink.net> wrote in
<1164831111.481571.251730@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>:
>I just found a forum that posts how to make the WRT54G operate in
>client mode. The firmware update doesn't say that it's for the "GC",
>so I'm not sure if it would work or not. I'm also not sure I want to
>pay $20 to find out.
>
>Here's the link:
>http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...MVIEWTMP=Linea
>
>Any thoughts on this?
3rd-party firmware can indeed be used in wireless client (Ethernet)
bridge mode, but it's not for the faint of heart (unskilled), and only
works with certain routers (as you've discovered), _not_ including the
WRT54GC <http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware>.
Here's a combo access point/bridge for $40 plus shipping:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290018088897>
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>I'm now looking for a game adapter on Ebay and will also try Tiger
>Direct. Hopefully I can get one and not get raped in the process!
It's highly likely. I've got about $150 in assorted rebates that
Tiger Direct has managed to ignore, lose, or forget. I won't buy
anything that requires a rebate from them again. I've complained, was
informed that they would "take care of it" and nothing has happened.
Also, I'm getting tired of miserable packing. The contents are
usually fairly well wrapped and protected, but the outside of the box
has never been taped shut properly. When delivered by UPS, the
shipping box is usually partially open. Fortunately nothing has been
missing, so far.
However, Tiger Direct does have a cool looking catalog.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:11:02 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in
<ehism2dti0odrf8ao9eb8746q7jo2l59gu@4ax.com>:
>"Tara" <tgarard@earthlink.net> hath wroth:
>
>>I'm now looking for a game adapter on Ebay and will also try Tiger
>>Direct. Hopefully I can get one and not get raped in the process!
>
>It's highly likely. I've got about $150 in assorted rebates that
>Tiger Direct has managed to ignore, lose, or forget. I won't buy
>anything that requires a rebate from them again. I've complained, was
>informed that they would "take care of it" and nothing has happened.
>
>Also, I'm getting tired of miserable packing. The contents are
>usually fairly well wrapped and protected, but the outside of the box
>has never been taped shut properly. When delivered by UPS, the
>shipping box is usually partially open. Fortunately nothing has been
>missing, so far.
>
>However, Tiger Direct does have a cool looking catalog.
Try Newegg.com instead. Highly recommended.
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