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Old 10-21-2005, 04:05 PM
paranoid
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Default wpa problems again...

I posted here a few weeks ago, that I had setup a business with WPA-PSK (
using a dlink router).... and had problems with network drives not being
there when software opened up, and all-in-all just a general instability
going on...

So I switched it to WEP and all was well, my plan was to go back in a few
weeks after everything was more stable with the business setup, and switch
it over to WPA again...

Another business asked about his security with his setup. He had WEP and he
read articles about war-driving, etc...So we switched him over to WPA, with
a netgear router. And he is having a horrible time with it as well... Today
he called and said his network going down every 20 minutes. The other day,
one of his computers lost their connectivity, and we were trying to remote
desktop into it....we had to manually connect it again from that machine.

Someone said that it is the same as WEP in a sense, but I beg to differ. I
am not exactly sure how it works, but I am sure of the results I have
gotten. I know, usually I am against wireless anyways (always have been,
always preferred a wired setup), but recently have been more liberal with my
clients about the wireless, but now with all these problems with WPA, and
the security risk with WEP, I am almost in the same boat again...

Am I crazy? Am I the only one having these "instability" issues with WPA?

Thanks....



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Old 10-21-2005, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: wpa problems again...

It works just fine with me.
I used WEP in the past and I switched to WAP-PSK with no problem at all.
I have 2 different wireless networks, using Linksys at home and Netopia at
work.
I don't understand how and why you should have troubles in connecting if you
have the right key.
If I were you, I would reset the router and use a completely different code,
starting from scratch.
Good luck!
Steffo

paranoid wrote:
> I posted here a few weeks ago, that I had setup a business with
> WPA-PSK ( using a dlink router).... and had problems with network
> drives not being there when software opened up, and all-in-all just a
> general instability going on...
>
> So I switched it to WEP and all was well, my plan was to go back in a
> few weeks after everything was more stable with the business setup,
> and switch it over to WPA again...
>
> Another business asked about his security with his setup. He had WEP
> and he read articles about war-driving, etc...So we switched him over
> to WPA, with a netgear router. And he is having a horrible time with
> it as well... Today he called and said his network going down every
> 20 minutes. The other day, one of his computers lost their
> connectivity, and we were trying to remote desktop into it....we had
> to manually connect it again from that machine.
> Someone said that it is the same as WEP in a sense, but I beg to
> differ. I am not exactly sure how it works, but I am sure of the
> results I have gotten. I know, usually I am against wireless anyway
> (always have been, always preferred a wired setup), but recently have
> been more liberal with my clients about the wireless, but now with
> all these problems with WPA, and the security risk with WEP, I am
> almost in the same boat again...
> Am I crazy? Am I the only one having these "instability" issues with
> WPA?
> Thanks....




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Old 10-21-2005, 08:36 PM
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Default Re: wpa problems again...

Get the latest firmware for the routers, and the latest O/S upgrades for the
PCs, e.g. SP2 for XP.



"Steffo" <steffo@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> It works just fine with me.
> I used WEP in the past and I switched to WAP-PSK with no problem at all.
> I have 2 different wireless networks, using Linksys at home and Netopia at
> work.
> I don't understand how and why you should have troubles in connecting if
> you have the right key.
> If I were you, I would reset the router and use a completely different
> code, starting from scratch.
> Good luck!
> Steffo
>
> paranoid wrote:
>> I posted here a few weeks ago, that I had setup a business with
>> WPA-PSK ( using a dlink router).... and had problems with network
>> drives not being there when software opened up, and all-in-all just a
>> general instability going on...
>>
>> So I switched it to WEP and all was well, my plan was to go back in a
>> few weeks after everything was more stable with the business setup,
>> and switch it over to WPA again...
>>
>> Another business asked about his security with his setup. He had WEP
>> and he read articles about war-driving, etc...So we switched him over
>> to WPA, with a netgear router. And he is having a horrible time with
>> it as well... Today he called and said his network going down every
>> 20 minutes. The other day, one of his computers lost their
>> connectivity, and we were trying to remote desktop into it....we had
>> to manually connect it again from that machine.
>> Someone said that it is the same as WEP in a sense, but I beg to
>> differ. I am not exactly sure how it works, but I am sure of the
>> results I have gotten. I know, usually I am against wireless anyway
>> (always have been, always preferred a wired setup), but recently have
>> been more liberal with my clients about the wireless, but now with
>> all these problems with WPA, and the security risk with WEP, I am
>> almost in the same boat again...
>> Am I crazy? Am I the only one having these "instability" issues with
>> WPA?
>> Thanks....

>
>




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Old 10-21-2005, 08:41 PM
John Navas
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Default Re: wpa problems again...

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In <ws76f.8$HW5.2@trnddc04> on Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:05:00 GMT, "paranoid"
<none@noneya.com> wrote:

>I posted here a few weeks ago, that I had setup a business with WPA-PSK (
>using a dlink router).... and had problems with network drives not being
>there when software opened up, and all-in-all just a general instability
>going on...
>
>So I switched it to WEP and all was well, my plan was to go back in a few
>weeks after everything was more stable with the business setup, and switch
>it over to WPA again...
>
>Another business asked about his security with his setup. He had WEP and he
>read articles about war-driving, etc...So we switched him over to WPA, with
>a netgear router. And he is having a horrible time with it as well... Today
>he called and said his network going down every 20 minutes. The other day,
>one of his computers lost their connectivity, and we were trying to remote
>desktop into it....we had to manually connect it again from that machine.
>
>Someone said that it is the same as WEP in a sense, but I beg to differ. I
>am not exactly sure how it works, but I am sure of the results I have
>gotten. I know, usually I am against wireless anyways (always have been,
>always preferred a wired setup), but recently have been more liberal with my
>clients about the wireless, but now with all these problems with WPA, and
>the security risk with WEP, I am almost in the same boat again...
>
>Am I crazy? Am I the only one having these "instability" issues with WPA?



WPA is just as stable as WEP on all of the systems I've set up.

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Old 10-21-2005, 10:07 PM
David Taylor
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> always preferred a wired setup), but recently have been more liberal with my
> clients about the wireless, but now with all these problems with WPA, and
> the security risk with WEP, I am almost in the same boat again...


You know, aside from WEP, WPA and 802.11i and VPN's, there are much more
secure solutions than any of those for wireless out there!

David.

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Old 10-21-2005, 10:21 PM
Steffo
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Default Re: wpa problems again...

such as.....


David Taylor wrote:
>> always preferred a wired setup), but recently have been more liberal
>> with my clients about the wireless, but now with all these problems
>> with WPA, and the security risk with WEP, I am almost in the same
>> boat again...

>
> You know, aside from WEP, WPA and 802.11i and VPN's, there are much
> more secure solutions than any of those for wireless out there!
>
> David.




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Old 10-21-2005, 11:36 PM
paranoid
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>
> WPA is just as stable as WEP on all of the systems I've set up.
>
> --
>


Went and changed it to WEP, and not a lick of problems now.....I wont be
using WPA untill it gets more into its own life....



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Old 10-21-2005, 11:57 PM
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"paranoid" <none@noneya.com> wrote in news:ws76f.8$HW5.2@trnddc04:

> Am I the only one having these "instability" issues with WPA?
>


Yes.

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Old 10-22-2005, 07:41 AM
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"McSpreader" <invalid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96F6F3CBA30AMcP@62.253.170.163...
> "paranoid" <none@noneya.com> wrote in news:ws76f.8$HW5.2@trnddc04:
>
>> Am I the only one having these "instability" issues with WPA?
>>

>
> Yes.



Talked to a collegue, and he is experiencing problems too....so I am not the
only one. I also did some research on google groups, and I am not the only
one.....

WPA in my opinion, is still in Beta testing if you ask me....



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Old 10-22-2005, 08:33 AM
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> such as.....

http://www.3eti.com
http://www.cranite.com
http://www.bemac.com/ISec/section3.asp?S3ID=63

and

http://www.fortresstechnologies.com

All of the above have government/military approvals and in the case of
Fortress, takes about 10 minutes to set up, providing much greater
security (AES256), no faffing around with EAP types, needs no PKI,
doesn't do 802.1x and creates a non spoofable device ID, unlike MAC
addresses. (Other stuff too).

Wireless can be secure but the typical AP vendor solutions necessarily
aren't up to the job for government/healthcare/military/financial/gaming
market usage.

David.

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Old 10-22-2005, 05:05 PM
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In <bal6f.549$Yn4.92@trnddc03> on Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:41:11 GMT, "paranoid"
<none@noneya.com> wrote:

>"McSpreader" <invalid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns96F6F3CBA30AMcP@62.253.170.163...
>> "paranoid" <none@noneya.com> wrote in news:ws76f.8$HW5.2@trnddc04:
>>
>>> Am I the only one having these "instability" issues with WPA?

>>
>> Yes.

>
>Talked to a collegue, and he is experiencing problems too....so I am not the
>only one. I also did some research on google groups, and I am not the only
>one.....
>
>WPA in my opinion, is still in Beta testing if you ask me....


Just because it isn't working well for you and a few others, even though it
works fine for many others, and even though you haven't eliminated other
things as product faults and cockpit errors as possible causes? By that
standard pretty much everything is still in "beta". ;)

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Old 10-23-2005, 03:08 AM
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"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> [POSTED TO alt.internet.wireless - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <bal6f.549$Yn4.92@trnddc03> on Sat, 22 Oct 2005 06:41:11 GMT,
> "paranoid"
> <none@noneya.com> wrote:
>
>>"McSpreader" <invalid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:Xns96F6F3CBA30AMcP@62.253.170.163...
>>> "paranoid" <none@noneya.com> wrote in news:ws76f.8$HW5.2@trnddc04:
>>>
>>>> Am I the only one having these "instability" issues with WPA?
>>>
>>> Yes.

>>
>>Talked to a collegue, and he is experiencing problems too....so I am not
>>the
>>only one. I also did some research on google groups, and I am not the only
>>one.....
>>
>>WPA in my opinion, is still in Beta testing if you ask me....

>
> Just because it isn't working well for you and a few others, even though
> it
> works fine for many others, and even though you haven't eliminated other
> things as product faults and cockpit errors as possible causes? By that
> standard pretty much everything is still in "beta". ;)
>


Cockpit errors ? What is there to screw up, you type in the key, am i
missing something?

Product faults - same as Beta to me.....It is a hardware/software thing isnt
it?



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Old 10-23-2005, 05:37 AM
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In <RgC6f.10450$Io4.5013@trnddc06> on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:08:49 GMT,
"paranoid" <none@noneya.com> wrote:

>"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:0rt6f.480273$5N3.29390@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...


>> Just because it isn't working well for you and a few others, even though it
>> works fine for many others, and even though you haven't eliminated other
>> things as product faults and cockpit errors as possible causes? By that
>> standard pretty much everything is still in "beta". ;)

>
>Cockpit errors ? What is there to screw up, you type in the key, am i
>missing something?


There's a lot more to WiFi setup than that.

>Product faults - same as Beta to me.....


Not really.

>It is a hardware/software thing isnt
>it?


No, it's a particular product defect.

Bottom line: WPA is mature and reliable.

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Old 10-24-2005, 03:56 PM
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I have had a lot of problems with WPA and dlink products, but not with
others like LinkSys or Asante. WEP seemed to work better with these routers
but I have to say that I have had so many issues with Dlink that I now
boycott them.

One Dlink DWL-7000AP unit will lockup totally when a certain laptop connects
to it. I contacted Dlink support and they blame the laptop, which I don't
believe because the laptop does not have any trouble anywhere else.

I now swear by Linksys WRT54 series wireless routers. I have had no
significant problems with any of these I have installed.

"paranoid" <none@noneya.com> wrote in message
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>
> "McSpreader" <invalid@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96F6F3CBA30AMcP@62.253.170.163...
>> "paranoid" <none@noneya.com> wrote in news:ws76f.8$HW5.2@trnddc04:
>>
>>> Am I the only one having these "instability" issues with WPA?
>>>

>>
>> Yes.

>
>
> Talked to a collegue, and he is experiencing problems too....so I am not
> the only one. I also did some research on google groups, and I am not the
> only one.....
>
> WPA in my opinion, is still in Beta testing if you ask me....
>




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Old 10-25-2005, 11:10 PM
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In <435cf645$1@news.sentex.net> on Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:56:36 -0400, "Allan
Smith" <aes "at" connecttech "dot' com> wrote:

>I have had a lot of problems with WPA and dlink products, but not with
>others like LinkSys or Asante. WEP seemed to work better with these routers
>but I have to say that I have had so many issues with Dlink that I now
>boycott them.
>
>One Dlink DWL-7000AP unit will lockup totally when a certain laptop connects
>to it. I contacted Dlink support and they blame the laptop, which I don't
>believe because the laptop does not have any trouble anywhere else.


I've never had a problem with D-Link and WPA.

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