By Jeremy Mitchell
Political editor nowwearetalking
So it has been ten years of competition. I think there is universal
agreement that competition is good for Australian Telecommunications. What
we have today is far better compared to the days of the government run
monopoly called Telecom. I remember vividly the Sunday night ritual at our
household with phone calls to my relatives in Junee and Cootamundra, the
other side of the state from my home town of Alstonville in Northern NSW.
Each Sunday night we had the family catch up. Us kids got a brief
conversation with Nan & Pa, while Dad paced up and down, tapping his watch
saying "hurry up, this is an STD call you know". That was the Telecom
monopoly life in households across Australia. No one can say they are sad to
see those days gone, but have we achieved all we could since those days?
There are people advocating that Australia has come a long way over the past
ten years, and that all is OK with our telecommunications industry. They
look at the industry and praise the competition which we now operate. Yes we
have competition; in fact Australia stands out a mile when it comes to
competition statistics. Statistics show that Australia has 157 carriers, 4
mobile operators, 23 mobile resellers and a staggering 467 Internet Service
Providers (ISP). That means Australia has 23 ISP's per million of
population, compare this with Japan with just 7 per million, followed by the
UK & Canada with 3 per million, and the USA, France and South Korea who have
2 ISP's per million. Now the ACCC perceives this is as great news but, when
you stand that far ahead, you have to ask yourself, why?
Despite all this competition Australia still has very little investment in
our industry; in fact without Telstra's spending we would see negative
growth in investment. While we may have 467 ISPs in Australia none of them
are creating infrastructure. It is similar to a market place in a developing
country. There may be hundreds of stalls, but they are all selling the same
stuff, and we the consumer are no better off. Is this really choice? Is this
really a quality service we are being provided? If competition is so strong
in Australia, why does the government need to spend a billion dollars of
taxpayer's money duplicating services in regional Australia? That doesn't
sound like a healthy telecommunications environment to me.
The fact is, in my opinion, we haven't had good telecommunications policy
management over the past ten years. The government has been busy
concentrating on the sale of Telstra and relied on the ACCC to implement
industry policy.
Where has this left us? We have no competition in regional Australia, and we
have the government spending a billion dollars of tax payer's money to
provide an incentive to a foreign Telco to venture outside the city suburbs.
We have a Fibre To The Node (FTTN) plan that has been on the table for
nearly two years and it looks like it could be there for a couple more years
because once again the bureaucrats have taken control of the decision making
process. Where has the industry been while all this was happening? Where
were the so called academics, user groups and industry bodies? Why didn't
they see this coming? Why didn't they warn us? The truth is they were
dazzled by the ACCC's fool's gold competition empire.
For nearly 18 months this website has been trying to raise the debate on
communications in this country. There has been much criticism of the
website, but the proof of its effectiveness is the growing awareness of the
problem with our industry. For too long debate on telecommunications has
been left to the users and supporters of washing machine cesspit chat rooms,
rather then taking the debate out onto a mainstream platform.
Telstra, Phil Burgess and nowwearetalking have achieved something that no
one has before - they have made telecommunications, particularly broadband,
a mainstream issue on the greater political stage. For the first time we are
debating the future of this industry; and the impact it has on Australia's
future. We are already seeing results, finally the government is reviewing
the USO, and the regulation red tape being driven by the ACCC, we may even
see something on FTTN, but let's not hold our breath.
Like it or not Telstra has created a debate that government is reacting to.
The job is far from finished and there is a lot to be done to make sure we
have something to celebrate in 2017. If we get it right, the ACCC policies
and the fools gold followers it has created will be a sad footnote in the
history of telecommunication in this country.
Alan Parkington <aparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote:
> By Jeremy Mitchell
> Political editor nowwearetalking
>
> So it has been ten years of competition. I think there is universal
> agreement that competition is good for Australian Telecommunications.
> What we have today is far better compared to the days of the
> government run monopoly called Telecom. I remember vividly the Sunday
> night ritual at our household with phone calls to my relatives in
> Junee and Cootamundra, the other side of the state from my home town
> of Alstonville in Northern NSW. Each Sunday night we had the family
> catch up. Us kids got a brief conversation with Nan & Pa, while Dad
> paced up and down, tapping his watch saying "hurry up, this is an STD
> call you know". That was the Telecom monopoly life in households
> across Australia. No one can say they are sad to see those days gone,
> but have we achieved all we could since those days?
> There are people advocating that Australia has come a long way over
> the past ten years, and that all is OK with our telecommunications
> industry. They look at the industry and praise the competition which
> we now operate. Yes we have competition; in fact Australia stands out
> a mile when it comes to competition statistics. Statistics show that
> Australia has 157 carriers, 4 mobile operators, 23 mobile resellers
> and a staggering 467 Internet Service Providers (ISP). That means
> Australia has 23 ISP's per million of population, compare this with
> Japan with just 7 per million, followed by the UK & Canada with 3 per
> million, and the USA, France and South Korea who have 2 ISP's per
> million. Now the ACCC perceives this is as great news but, when you
> stand that far ahead, you have to ask yourself, why?
> Despite all this competition Australia still has very little investment in our industry; in fact
> without Telstra's spending we would see negative growth in investment.
Bare faced lie, most obviously with the Optarse fibre rollout,
the non telstra mobile networks, and now the non telstra
dslams and wireless and the satellite system in spades.
> While we may have 467 ISPs in Australia none of them are creating infrastructure.
Another bare faced lie.
> It is similar to a market place in a developing country.
Another bare faced lie, nothing like it.
> There may be hundreds of stalls, but they are all selling the same stuff,
Another bare faced lie.
> and we the consumer are no better off.
Another bare faced lie.
> Is this really choice?
Yep. Most obviously with adsl where it took telstra's competitors to
start offering better than 1.5Mb to put a bomb under telstra's stupidity.
> Is this really a quality service we are being provided?
Yep.
> If competition is so strong in Australia, why does the government need to spend a billion dollars
> of taxpayer's money duplicating services in regional Australia?
It isnt to duplicate services, you pathological liar.
> That doesn't sound like a healthy telecommunications environment to me.
More fool you.
> The fact is, in my opinion, we haven't had good telecommunications
> policy management over the past ten years.
Another bare faced lie.
> The government has been busy concentrating on the sale of Telstra and relied on the ACCC to
> implement industry policy.
Thats always been the case ever since Keating had
enough of a clue to rip the monopoly away, ****wit.
> Where has this left us?
With a vastly better system than we would
have had if the monopoly had been retained.
> We have no competition in regional Australia,
Another bare faced lie.
> and we have the government spending a billion dollars of tax payer's money to provide an incentive
> to a foreign Telco to venture outside the city suburbs.
Another bare faced lie. That telco has been doing
that for DECADES now and aint the only one either.
In fact its the one that provides the satellite service, not telstra, ****wit.
> We have a Fibre To The Node (FTTN) plan that has been on the table for nearly two years and it
> looks like it could be there for a couple more years because once again the bureaucrats have taken
> control of the decision making process.
Nope, because everyone has noticed that its
just a telsta scam to get a monopoly back.
AND its only advantage over the current adsl system is that
its a bit faster for those a bit further from the exchanges so
that arsehole yank Murdoch can flog his DVD quality movies.
> Where has the industry been while all this was happening?
Putting on a bomb under telstra's stupid 1.5Mb crippling of adsl.
> Where were the so called academics, user groups and industry bodies?
Putting on a bomb under telstra.
> Why didn't they see this coming? Why didn't they warn us?
They did just that with telstra's scam.
> The truth is they were dazzled by the ACCC's fool's gold competition empire.
You wouldnt know what the truth was if it bit you on your lard arse, liar.
> For nearly 18 months this website has been trying to raise the debate on communications in this
> country.
Another bare faced lie. Its actually about telstra's complete pack of lies.
> There has been much criticism of the website,
Funny that.
> but the proof of its effectiveness is the growing
> awareness of the problem with our industry.
Another bare faced lie.
> For too long debate on telecommunications has been left to the users and supporters of washing
> machine cesspit chat rooms,
Leaves your sewer for dead.
> rather then taking the debate out onto a mainstream platform.
Another bare faced lie.
> Telstra, Phil Burgess and nowwearetalking have achieved something that no one has before
Yep, bare faced lies at a level we aint seen before.
> - they have made telecommunications, particularly broadband, a mainstream issue on the greater
> political stage.
Another bare faced lie. That happened long
before that ****wit yank ever showed up.
> For the first time we are debating the future of this
> industry; and the impact it has on Australia's future.
Another bare faced lie. We started doing that
when the monopoly was ripped away, ****wit.
> We are already seeing results, finally the government is reviewing the USO, and the regulation red
> tape being driven by the ACCC,
Another bare faced lie.
> we may even see something on FTTN,
Unlikely, that ****wit Burgess has guaranteed
that telstra's gunna get ****ed over. Again.
> but let's not hold our breath.
Hold yours for as long as you like.
> Like it or not Telstra has created a debate that government is reacting to.
Another bare faced lie. The govt ripped away the monopoly, ****wit.
> The job is far from finished
Thats the way the industry works, ****wit.
> and there is a lot to be done to make sure we have something to celebrate in 2017.
Another bare faced lie.
> If we get it right, the ACCC policies and the fools gold followers it has created will be a sad
> footnote in the history of telecommunication in this country.
Taint gunna happen, and those ****wit yanks will be long gone by then anyway.
That ****wit Murdoch will be dead by then and his stupid kids will
have ****ed over his empire as comprehensively as Packer's have too.
>> Despite all this competition Australia still has very little investment
>> in our industry; in fact without Telstra's spending we would see negative
>> growth in investment.
>
> Bare faced lie, most obviously with the Optarse fibre rollout,
> the non telstra mobile networks, and now the non telstra
> dslams and wireless and the satellite system in spades.
Agreed
>> While we may have 467 ISPs in Australia none of them are creating
>> infrastructure.
>
> Another bare faced lie.
Not many create infrastructure. Some do their own backhaul and ADSL DSLAMs.
>> It is similar to a market place in a developing country.
>
> Another bare faced lie, nothing like it.
Agreed
>> and we the consumer are no better off.
>
> Another bare faced lie.
Agreed.
>> Is this really a quality service we are being provided?
>
> Yep.
Agreed.
>> If competition is so strong in Australia, why does the government need to
>> spend a billion dollars of taxpayer's money duplicating services in
>> regional Australia?
>
> It isnt to duplicate services, you pathological liar.
It's only 'duplication' in that it provides another option for broadband.
Sounds good to me.
>> The fact is, in my opinion, we haven't had good telecommunications
>> policy management over the past ten years.
>
> Another bare faced lie.
Yep
>> The government has been busy concentrating on the sale of Telstra and
>> relied on the ACCC to implement industry policy.
>
> Thats always been the case ever since Keating had
> enough of a clue to rip the monopoly away, ****wit.
Agreed. Govt shouldnt be setting industry policy.
>> Where has this left us?
>
> With a vastly better system than we would
> have had if the monopoly had been retained.
Agreed
>> We have no competition in regional Australia,
>
> Another bare faced lie.
>>> Despite all this competition Australia still has very little
>>> investment in our industry; in fact without Telstra's spending we would see negative growth in
>>> investment.
>> Bare faced lie, most obviously with the Optarse fibre rollout,
>> the non telstra mobile networks, and now the non telstra
>> dslams and wireless and the satellite system in spades.
> Agreed
>>> While we may have 467 ISPs in Australia none of them are creating infrastructure.
>> Another bare faced lie.
> Not many create infrastructure.
Any makes his NONE a bare faced lie.
> Some do their own backhaul and ADSL DSLAMs.
Which is infrastructure. And the wireless operation in spades.
>>> It is similar to a market place in a developing country.
>> Another bare faced lie, nothing like it.
> Agreed
>>> and we the consumer are no better off.
>> Another bare faced lie.
> Agreed.
>>> Is this really a quality service we are being provided?
>> Yep.
> Agreed.
>>> If competition is so strong in Australia, why does the government need to spend a billion
>>> dollars of taxpayer's money duplicating services in regional Australia?
>> It isnt to duplicate services, you pathological liar.
> It's only 'duplication' in that it provides another option for broadband.
It isnt really a viable option when you can get adsl.
> Sounds good to me.
>>> The fact is, in my opinion, we haven't had good telecommunications
>>> policy management over the past ten years.
>> Another bare faced lie.
> Yep
>>> The government has been busy concentrating on the sale of Telstra and relied on the ACCC to
>>> implement industry policy.
>> Thats always been the case ever since Keating had
>> enough of a clue to rip the monopoly away, ****wit.
> Agreed. Govt shouldnt be setting industry policy.
Corse it should.
>>> Where has this left us?
>> With a vastly better system than we would
>> have had if the monopoly had been retained.
> Agreed
>>> We have no competition in regional Australia,
>> Another bare faced lie.
> Agreed.
Stoppit at once, I'll have to change to the other side.
Fake "James Bell" <jamesbell@tellthetruthtelstra.com.au> wrote in message
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> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Alan Parkington <aparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote:
>
> 'Alan' - What's your response now your post has been
> comprehensively raped by Rod?
I was posting an expert opinion from Jeremy Mitchell. They weren't my words.
If Roddles wishes to throw around some of his puerile crap, so be it.
"Alan Parkington" <aparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote in message
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>
> Fake "James Bell" <jamesbell@tellthetruthtelstra.com.au> wrote in message
> news:469885e8$0$12853$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Alan Parkington <aparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote:
>>
>> 'Alan' - What's your response now your post has been
>> comprehensively raped by Rod?
>
> I was posting an expert opinion from Jeremy Mitchell. They weren't my
> words.
>
Alan Parkington wrote:
> Fake "James Bell" <jamesbell@tellthetruthtelstra.com.au> wrote in message
> news:469885e8$0$12853$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Alan Parkington <aparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote:
>> 'Alan' - What's your response now your post has been
>> comprehensively raped by Rod?
>
> I was posting an expert opinion from Jeremy Mitchell. They weren't my words.
>
> If Roddles wishes to throw around some of his puerile crap, so be it.
He still comprehensively raped your post regardless of the wording used
****wit.
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