Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!

"atec 77" <atec 77 @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <4677ef86$0$22407$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> 01.iinet.net.au>, steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au says...
>>
>> "atec 77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
>> news:4677b03a$0$1184$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
>> > Sandgroper wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
>> >> outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep
>> >> the
>> >> voters happy.
>> > SHows how little you understand cretin
>> >> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>> > it's fact , now like it or kill your self in protest helstra stooge.
>> >>
>>
>> Telstra stooge ?????
>> That's just goes to show how clueless you are , you are too stupid ( or
>> lazy ) to check out my headers that show that I am NOT with Telstra , but
>> with iiNet.
>>
>> < snipped the rest of the pro liberal drivel and silly comments >
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Ok then foolish ill-informed twat , what ever

Says the epitome of ignorance and illiteracy personified.

Oh, and you might need this...

www.dictionary.com

> You know if you live in the country you should expect to be a little
> isolated
> from the rest of the planet.

Agreed.

You want the advantages of the country, you get to deal with the
disadvantages.

> That's why most people go to live in the country after all, to get away
> from us
> loud city types.
>
> So why do you want to go and connect them all up just like they're living
> in the
> city?
>

> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will be
> patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and mountain
> ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything about
> congestion by users.
>
> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
> mobile phone towers all over the place.

Hmm, that sounds remarkably like a product called TELSTRA NEXTG NETWORK

>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will be
>> patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and mountain
>> ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything about
>> congestion by users.
>>
>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
>> mobile phone towers all over the place.
>
> Hmm, that sounds remarkably like a product called TELSTRA NEXTG NETWORK

LOL Watch out or Jimmy dear will get ya.

Cobber, how come you and other critics of the wireless plan cannot get it into
your heads that no company is going to dig a15km ditch to give me or my 2
neighbors a line based broadband?

They just wont't do it, so wireless is the way for us country folk (who cannot
afford 2way sattelite)

David

Cobber wrote:

> Broadband Decision
> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>
> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>
> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a lot of
> dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically as
> soon as the election is over.
>
> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax wireless
> technology - shame on you.

quietguy <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote

> Cobber, how come you and other critics of the wireless plan
> cannot get it into your heads that no company is going to dig a
> 15km ditch to give me or my 2 neighbors a line based broadband?

Have fun explaining how come they did that with the phone line.

> They just wont't do it, so wireless is the way for us country folk

It isnt the only way.

> (who cannot afford 2way sattelite)

And that aint the only alternative either.


> Cobber wrote:
>
>> Broadband Decision
>> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>>
>> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>>
>> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
>> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a
>> lot of dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out
>> dramatically as soon as the election is over.
>>
>> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax
>> wireless technology - shame on you.

> Cobber, how come you and other critics of the wireless plan cannot get it
> into
> your heads that no company is going to dig a15km ditch to give me or my 2
> neighbors a line based broadband?

Funny you should say the word "cobber", I know of an old Cobb and Co station
at the back of never never SA that was supplied a phone line in excess of
20miles (1 phone for 1 client)..

>
> They just wont't do it, so wireless is the way for us country folk (who
> cannot
> afford 2way sattelite)
>
> David
>
> Cobber wrote:
>
>> Broadband Decision
>> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>>
>> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>>
>> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
>> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a lot of
>> dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically
>> as
>> soon as the election is over.
>>
>> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax wireless
>> technology - shame on you.
>

Rod Speed wrote:
> quietguy <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote
>
>> Cobber, how come you and other critics of the wireless plan
>> cannot get it into your heads that no company is going to dig a
>> 15km ditch to give me or my 2 neighbors a line based broadband?
>
> Have fun explaining how come they did that with the phone line.
>
>> They just wont't do it, so wireless is the way for us country folk
>
> It isnt the only way.
>
>> (who cannot afford 2way sattelite)
>
> And that aint the only alternative either.
>
How about you actually offer an alternative woddles instead of looking
the dickhead you always are


Now the task is less that $60.00 a month and 12 mbs bandwidth with at
least 10 gig of download that's not wireless and actually will be
delivered to a country home at the edges of region 2 or worse .

No other alternatives for reasonable cost and fast broadband that I know
about Rod- its Sattelite ($100+month), NextG ($50month for 1 gig) (both
ridiculously expensive) or the new wireless system - if you know of
something else share your knowledge

David

Rod Speed wrote:

> quietguy <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote
>
> > Cobber, how come you and other critics of the wireless plan
> > cannot get it into your heads that no company is going to dig a
> > 15km ditch to give me or my 2 neighbors a line based broadband?
>
> Have fun explaining how come they did that with the phone line.

That was years ago - not sure how many

>
>
> > They just wont't do it, so wireless is the way for us country folk
>
> It isnt the only way.
>
> > (who cannot afford 2way sattelite)
>
> And that aint the only alternative either.
>
> > Cobber wrote:
> >
> >> Broadband Decision
> >> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
> >>
> >> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
> >>
> >> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
> >> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a
> >> lot of dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out
> >> dramatically as soon as the election is over.
> >>
> >> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax
> >> wireless technology - shame on you.

Two Bob wrote:

> > Cobber, how come you and other critics of the wireless plan cannot get it
> > into
> > your heads that no company is going to dig a15km ditch to give me or my 2
> > neighbors a line based broadband?
>
> Funny you should say the word "cobber", I know of an old Cobb and Co station
> at the back of never never SA that was supplied a phone line in excess of
> 20miles (1 phone for 1 client)..
>

Do you think that was in the old days though - before Telstra was sold?

David

quietguy <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote

> No other alternatives for reasonable cost
> and fast broadband that I know about Rod-

You need to get out more.

> its Sattelite ($100+month),

Not necessarily that expensive.

> NextG ($50month for 1 gig) (both ridiculously expensive)

Nope, plenty pay $50.month for broadband.

> or the new wireless system - if you know
> of something else share your knowledge

There's been other wireless around for a long time now.

And cable for a lot longer for many too.

And even a bit of fibre too.


> Rod Speed wrote
>> quietguy <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote

>>> Cobber, how come you and other critics of the wireless plan
>>> cannot get it into your heads that no company is going to dig a
>>> 15km ditch to give me or my 2 neighbors a line based broadband?

>> Have fun explaining how come they did that with the phone line.

> That was years ago - not sure how many

Irrelevant how long ago it was and its still being done today anyway.

>>> They just wont't do it, so wireless is the way for us country folk

>> It isnt the only way.

>>> (who cannot afford 2way sattelite)

>> And that aint the only alternative either.


>>> Cobber wrote:

>>>> Broadband Decision
>>>> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM

>>>> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications

>>>> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan?
>>>> That's absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there
>>>> are a lot of dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will
>>>> blow out dramatically as soon as the election is over.

>>>> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax
>>>> wireless technology - shame on you.

quietguy <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote
> Two Bob wrote

>>> Cobber, how come you and other critics of the wireless plan
>>> cannot get it into your heads that no company is going to dig
>>> a15km ditch to give me or my 2 neighbors a line based broadband?

>> Funny you should say the word "cobber", I know of an old Cobb
>> and Co station at the back of never never SA that was supplied
>> a phone line in excess of 20miles (1 phone for 1 client)..

> Do you think that was in the old days though - before Telstra was sold?

It still happens today.

"Two Bob" <dept9@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
news:467bcd6d$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will
be
> >> patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and
mountain
> >> ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything
about
> >> congestion by users.
> >>
> >> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
> >> mobile phone towers all over the place.
> >
> > Hmm, that sounds remarkably like a product called TELSTRA NEXTG NETWORK
>
> LOL Watch out or Jimmy dear will get ya.
>
>

Actually NextG is a world-leading network, SingTel's unproven beta-ware is
an expensive con..

Alan Parkington <aparkington@telstra.net> wrote:
> "Two Bob" <dept9@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:467bcd6d$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it
>>>> will be patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are
>>>> hills and mountain ranges between the user and the exchange , not
>>>> to mention anything about congestion by users.
>>>>
>>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like
>>>> for mobile phone towers all over the place.
>>>
>>> Hmm, that sounds remarkably like a product called TELSTRA NEXTG
>>> NETWORK
>>
>> LOL Watch out or Jimmy dear will get ya.
>>
>>
>
> Actually NextG is a world-leading network,

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.

> SingTel's unproven beta-ware is an expensive con..

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.

Rod Speed wrote:
> quietguy <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote
>
>> No other alternatives for reasonable cost
>> and fast broadband that I know about Rod-
>
> You need to get out more.
>
>> its Sattelite ($100+month),
>
> Not necessarily that expensive.
>
>> NextG ($50month for 1 gig) (both ridiculously expensive)
>
> Nope, plenty pay $50.month for broadband.
>
>> or the new wireless system - if you know
>> of something else share your knowledge
>
> There's been other wireless around for a long time now.
>
> And cable for a lot longer for many too.
>
> And even a bit of fibre too.
>
>
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> quietguy <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote
>
>>>> Cobber, how come you and other critics of the wireless plan
>>>> cannot get it into your heads that no company is going to dig a
>>>> 15km ditch to give me or my 2 neighbors a line based broadband?
>
>>> Have fun explaining how come they did that with the phone line.
>
>> That was years ago - not sure how many
>
> Irrelevant how long ago it was and its still being done today anyway.
>
>>>> They just wont't do it, so wireless is the way for us country folk
>
>>> It isnt the only way.
>
>>>> (who cannot afford 2way sattelite)
>
>>> And that aint the only alternative either.
>
>
SO where are the links to examples woddles ?
or have you failed to excite yet again you plonka .

Alan Parkington wrote:
> "Two Bob" <dept9@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:467bcd6d$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will
> be
>>>> patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and
> mountain
>>>> ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything
> about
>>>> congestion by users.
>>>>
>>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
>>>> mobile phone towers all over the place.
>>> Hmm, that sounds remarkably like a product called TELSTRA NEXTG NETWORK
>> LOL Watch out or Jimmy dear will get ya.
>>
>>
>
> Actually NextG is a world-leading network, SingTel's unproven beta-ware is
> an expensive con..
>
>
>
Liar , but then you are employed by helstra (shill)

Rod Speed wrote:
> Alan Parkington <aparkington@telstra.net> wrote:
>> "Two Bob" <dept9@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:467bcd6d$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it
>>>>> will be patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are
>>>>> hills and mountain ranges between the user and the exchange , not
>>>>> to mention anything about congestion by users.
>>>>>
>>>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like
>>>>> for mobile phone towers all over the place.
>>>> Hmm, that sounds remarkably like a product called TELSTRA NEXTG
>>>> NETWORK
>>> LOL Watch out or Jimmy dear will get ya.
>>>
>>>
>> Actually NextG is a world-leading network,
>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.
Bluster wont hide your ignorance woddles , provide proof of your
claims or be known as a bufoon.( again)
>
>> SingTel's unproven beta-ware is an expensive con..
>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.

see above you foul mouthed cretin
>
>
>

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:13:39 +1000, atec 77 <"atec 77 at hotmai dot
..com"> wrote:

>Alan Parkington wrote:
>> "Two Bob" <dept9@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:467bcd6d$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will
>> be
>>>>> patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and
>> mountain
>>>>> ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything
>> about
>>>>> congestion by users.
>>>>>
>>>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
>>>>> mobile phone towers all over the place.
>>>> Hmm, that sounds remarkably like a product called TELSTRA NEXTG NETWORK
>>> LOL Watch out or Jimmy dear will get ya.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Actually NextG is a world-leading network, SingTel's unproven beta-ware is
>> an expensive con..
>>
>>
>>
>Liar , but then you are employed by helstra (shill)


Well, it works for me.
And I don't work for Telstra.

Anyway....no way anyone is gonna lay fibre to my place in the bush.
Couldn't get ADSL.
Bastards weren't gonna tear up 4Klms of pair gain just for me.
And the people, 4klms up the road only got ADSL when the developer
paid a hefty part of the cost so he could sell acreage blocks to
escapees from town.

------------------------------------------



If you want to win an argument, it is best to
stick to the truth.
Or provable untruths.

brian w edginton wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:13:39 +1000, atec 77 <"atec 77 at hotmai dot
> .com"> wrote:
>
>> Alan Parkington wrote:
>>> "Two Bob" <dept9@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:467bcd6d$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>>>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will
>>> be
>>>>>> patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and
>>> mountain
>>>>>> ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything
>>> about
>>>>>> congestion by users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
>>>>>> mobile phone towers all over the place.
>>>>> Hmm, that sounds remarkably like a product called TELSTRA NEXTG NETWORK
>>>> LOL Watch out or Jimmy dear will get ya.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Actually NextG is a world-leading network, SingTel's unproven beta-ware is
>>> an expensive con..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Liar , but then you are employed by helstra (shill)
>
>
> Well, it works for me.
> And I don't work for Telstra.


Alan Parkington wrote: is who I replied to , please read again
>
> Anyway....no way anyone is gonna lay fibre to my place in the bush.
> Couldn't get ADSL.
> Bastards weren't gonna tear up 4Klms of pair gain just for me.
> And the people, 4klms up the road only got ADSL when the developer
> paid a hefty part of the cost so he could sell acreage blocks to
> escapees from town.
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> If you want to win an argument, it is best to
> stick to the truth.
> Or provable untruths.

"quietguy" <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote in
message news:46807041.6851CBB@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com...
> No other alternatives for reasonable cost and fast broadband that I know
> about Rod- its Sattelite ($100+month), NextG ($50month for 1 gig) (both

$50 for broadband? Sounds very reasonable for me

Michael J wrote:
> "quietguy" <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote in
> message news:46807041.6851CBB@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com...
>> No other alternatives for reasonable cost and fast broadband that I know
>> about Rod- its Sattelite ($100+month), NextG ($50month for 1 gig) (both
>
> $50 for broadband? Sounds very reasonable for me
>
>
for a gig ?
your a dick

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5e6e2tF379j95U1@mid.individual.net...
> quietguy <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote
>
>> Cobber, how come you and other critics of the wireless plan
>> cannot get it into your heads that no company is going to dig a
>> 15km ditch to give me or my 2 neighbors a line based broadband?
>
> Have fun explaining how come they did that with the phone line.
>

And they didn't always do that, for those who want to romanticise about a
'pre-privatised' Telstra/Telecom/PMG.

--
Kwyj.

"atec77" <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46821760@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> Michael J wrote:
>> "quietguy" <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote
>> in message
>> news:46807041.6851CBB@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com...
>>> No other alternatives for reasonable cost and fast broadband that I know
>>> about Rod- its Sattelite ($100+month), NextG ($50month for 1 gig) (both
>>
>> $50 for broadband? Sounds very reasonable for me
>>
>>
> for a gig ?

Its the SPEED thats important to me

Michael J wrote:
> "atec77" <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46821760@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> Michael J wrote:
>>> "quietguy" <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote
>>> in message
>>> news:46807041.6851CBB@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com...
>>>> No other alternatives for reasonable cost and fast broadband that I know
>>>> about Rod- its Sattelite ($100+month), NextG ($50month for 1 gig) (both
>>> $50 for broadband? Sounds very reasonable for me
>>>
>>>
>> for a gig ?
>
> Its the SPEED thats important to me
>
>
Most of care about value .

Michael J wrote:

> Its the SPEED thats important to me

We always knew you had a soft spot for Rod.

John

"John Henderson" <jhenRemoveThis@talk21.com> wrote in message
news:5ep30eF39s1rmU1@mid.individual.net...
> Michael J wrote:
>
>> Its the SPEED thats important to me
>
> We always knew you had a soft spot for Rod.
>

Soft or wet??

--
Kwyj.

"atec77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
news:46874db3@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> Michael J wrote:
>> "atec77" <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:46821760@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>> Michael J wrote:
>>>> "quietguy" <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote
>>>> in message
>>>> news:46807041.6851CBB@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com...
>>>>> No other alternatives for reasonable cost and fast broadband that I
>>>>> know
>>>>> about Rod- its Sattelite ($100+month), NextG ($50month for 1 gig)
>>>>> (both
>>>> $50 for broadband? Sounds very reasonable for me
>>>>
>>>>
>>> for a gig ?
>>
>> Its the SPEED thats important to me
>>
>>
> Most of care about value .

No, they dont

"John Henderson" <jhenRemoveThis@talk21.com> wrote in message
news:5ep30eF39s1rmU1@mid.individual.net...
> Michael J wrote:
>
>> Its the SPEED thats important to me
>
> We always knew you had a soft spot for Rod.

LOL. I;ll pay that one

>
> John
>

Michael J wrote:
> "atec77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
> news:46874db3@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> Michael J wrote:
>>> "atec77" <atec77@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46821760@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>>> Michael J wrote:
>>>>> "quietguy" <postings@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com> wrote
>>>>> in message
>>>>> news:46807041.6851CBB@REMOVE-TO-REPLYconfidential-counselling.com...
>>>>>> No other alternatives for reasonable cost and fast broadband that I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> about Rod- its Sattelite ($100+month), NextG ($50month for 1 gig)
>>>>>> (both
>>>>> $50 for broadband? Sounds very reasonable for me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> for a gig ?
>>> Its the SPEED thats important to me
>>>
>>>
>> Most of care about value .
>
> No, they dont
>
>
stop projecting .