Broadband Decision
To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a lot of
dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically as
soon as the election is over.
And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax wireless
technology - shame on you. You have just abandoned a key constituency - the
entire country population of Australia. Radio transmission is never as good
as fixed line and you know it. Just think of the difference in call quality
between fixed line and mobile. Country people will end up with a
considerably slower second rate service which will be affected by a number
of variables including the weather, while city people will travel first
class on high speed fibre! Why don't you just come out and say that you
don't care about the speed and quality of service for country people's
internet? I guess that honesty simply doesn't serve your political agenda,
particularly with an election coming on, huh?
The Optus proposal will provide broadband to 426 country exchanges whereas
the Telstra plan was going to reach over 1500 exchanges! So how come you
didn't mention that? And as you know, Optus is 100% owned by the Singaporean
government, so you have just given a foreign govt a huge financial leg up.
Duh!
It's hard to see how you could have stuffed this up more even if you tried
and the tragedy is that it took the Govt of which you are a member, 11 years
to do it and then only because the Rudd Federal Opposition actually forced
you to make a decision.
Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in Opposition come December.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
"Cobber" <geoff7772001@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>Broadband Decision
>To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
>Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>
>Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>
>Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
>absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a lot of
>dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically as
>soon as the election is over.
>
>And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax wireless
>technology - shame on you. You have just abandoned a key constituency - the
>entire country population of Australia. Radio transmission is never as good
>as fixed line and you know it. Just think of the difference in call quality
>between fixed line and mobile. Country people will end up with a
>considerably slower second rate service which will be affected by a number
>of variables including the weather, while city people will travel first
>class on high speed fibre! Why don't you just come out and say that you
>don't care about the speed and quality of service for country people's
>internet? I guess that honesty simply doesn't serve your political agenda,
>particularly with an election coming on, huh?
>
>The Optus proposal will provide broadband to 426 country exchanges whereas
>the Telstra plan was going to reach over 1500 exchanges! So how come you
>didn't mention that? And as you know, Optus is 100% owned by the Singaporean
>government, so you have just given a foreign govt a huge financial leg up.
>Duh!
>
>It's hard to see how you could have stuffed this up more even if you tried
>and the tragedy is that it took the Govt of which you are a member, 11 years
>to do it and then only because the Rudd Federal Opposition actually forced
>you to make a decision.
>
>Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in Opposition come December.
You know if you live in the country you should expect to be a little isolated
from the rest of the planet.
That's why most people go to live in the country after all, to get away from us
loud city types.
So why do you want to go and connect them all up just like they're living in the
city?
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
Patrick Hamlyn wrote:
> "Cobber" <geoff7772001@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Broadband Decision
>> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>>
>> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>>
>> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
>> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a lot of
>> dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically as
>> soon as the election is over.
>>
>> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax wireless
>> technology - shame on you. You have just abandoned a key constituency - the
>> entire country population of Australia. Radio transmission is never as good
>> as fixed line and you know it. Just think of the difference in call quality
>> between fixed line and mobile. Country people will end up with a
>> considerably slower second rate service which will be affected by a number
>> of variables including the weather, while city people will travel first
>> class on high speed fibre! Why don't you just come out and say that you
>> don't care about the speed and quality of service for country people's
>> internet? I guess that honesty simply doesn't serve your political agenda,
>> particularly with an election coming on, huh?
>>
>> The Optus proposal will provide broadband to 426 country exchanges whereas
>> the Telstra plan was going to reach over 1500 exchanges! So how come you
>> didn't mention that? And as you know, Optus is 100% owned by the Singaporean
>> government, so you have just given a foreign govt a huge financial leg up.
>> Duh!
>>
>> It's hard to see how you could have stuffed this up more even if you tried
>> and the tragedy is that it took the Govt of which you are a member, 11 years
>> to do it and then only because the Rudd Federal Opposition actually forced
>> you to make a decision.
>>
>> Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in Opposition come December.
>
> You know if you live in the country you should expect to be a little isolated
> from the rest of the planet.
>
> That's why most people go to live in the country after all, to get away from us
> loud city types.
>
> So why do you want to go and connect them all up just like they're living in the
> city?
>
and if you don't like it in the country then move to the city.
you can't have your cake and eat it as well.
and never the twain shall meet.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
"Cobber" <geoff7772001@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Broadband Decision
> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>
> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>
> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a lot of
> dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically
> as soon as the election is over.
>
> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax wireless
> technology - shame on you. You have just abandoned a key constituency -
> the entire country population of Australia. Radio transmission is never as
> good as fixed line and you know it. Just think of the difference in call
> quality between fixed line and mobile. Country people will end up with a
> considerably slower second rate service which will be affected by a number
> of variables including the weather, while city people will travel first
> class on high speed fibre! Why don't you just come out and say that you
> don't care about the speed and quality of service for country people's
> internet? I guess that honesty simply doesn't serve your political agenda,
> particularly with an election coming on, huh?
>
> The Optus proposal will provide broadband to 426 country exchanges whereas
> the Telstra plan was going to reach over 1500 exchanges! So how come you
> didn't mention that? And as you know, Optus is 100% owned by the
> Singaporean government, so you have just given a foreign govt a huge
> financial leg up. Duh!
>
> It's hard to see how you could have stuffed this up more even if you tried
> and the tragedy is that it took the Govt of which you are a member, 11
> years to do it and then only because the Rudd Federal Opposition actually
> forced you to make a decision.
>
> Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in Opposition come
> December.
Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
voters happy.
( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in and the country people
will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed right up their arse.
Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will be
patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and mountain
ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything about
congestion by users.
In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for mobile
phone towers all over the place.
And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged off
Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a foreign owned
company , Optus to implement this crap broadband system at the taxpayers
expense .
Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly bitch Helen Coonan to
stop dribbling crap about technology she knows nothing about , it was quit
obvious on TV the other night that she knows stuff all about the technology
she is trying to flog to the aust people.
Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas 2007.
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Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
"Sandgroper" <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote in message
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> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
> mobile phone towers all over the place.
>
OFDM helps minimise the need for that. It won't get around it completely,
but does reduce the effect of physical obstacles.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
Cobber <geoff7772001@yahoo.com.au> wrote
> Broadband Decision
> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
She'll just flush it where it belongs.
> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan?
Nope, 2 years to get someone to tender what is a viable approach.
> That's absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a lot of dumb people out
> here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically as soon as the election is over.
Bet it wont.
> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax wireless technology
That decision doesnt do that.
And aint completely untried either.
> - shame on you. You have just abandoned a key
> constituency - the entire country population of Australia.
Mindless silly stuff.
> Radio transmission is never as good as fixed line and you know it.
Pity they aint proposing JUST radio tranmission, fool.
> Just think of the difference in call quality between fixed line and mobile.
Completely irrelevant to broadband, fool.
> Country people will end up with a considerably slower second rate service which will be affected
> by a number of variables including the weather,
Pig ignorant fantasy. Mobile phones dont get that result.
And pity about the adsl2+ that will also be used too.
> while city people will travel first class on high speed fibre!
More pig ignorant drivel.
> Why don't you just come out and say that you don't care about the speed and quality of service for
> country people's internet?
Wota terminal fuckwit.
> I guess that honesty simply doesn't serve your political
> agenda, particularly with an election coming on, huh?
Wota terminal fuckwit. If that was what was driving it,
they'd have proposed fibre optic everywhere, fuckwit.
> The Optus proposal will provide broadband to 426 country exchanges
> whereas the Telstra plan was going to reach over 1500 exchanges!
Not a fucking clue, as always. The telstra plan doesnt have ANY
FTTN outside the capital citys, you silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.
> So how come you didn't mention that?
Because it aint true, fuckwit.
> And as you know, Optus is 100% owned by the Singaporean government,
Who gives a flying red fuck ?
> so you have just given a foreign govt a huge financial leg up. Duh!
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant racist fantasys.
> It's hard to see how you could have stuffed this up more even if you tried
You in spades.
> and the tragedy is that it took the Govt of which you are a member, 11 years to do it
No it didnt. There's been adsl for years now, you silly little pig ignorant fuckwit.
> and then only because the Rudd Federal Opposition actually forced you to make a decision.
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys.
This has been under discussion since LONG before the dud even showed up.
> Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in Opposition come December.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
Sandgroper <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote:
> "Cobber" <geoff7772001@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4677393b$0$22404$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Broadband Decision
>> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>>
>> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>>
>> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
>> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a
>> lot of dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out
>> dramatically as soon as the election is over.
>>
>> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax
>> wireless technology - shame on you. You have just abandoned a key
>> constituency - the entire country population of Australia. Radio
>> transmission is never as good as fixed line and you know it. Just
>> think of the difference in call quality between fixed line and
>> mobile. Country people will end up with a considerably slower second
>> rate service which will be affected by a number of variables
>> including the weather, while city people will travel first class on
>> high speed fibre! Why don't you just come out and say that you don't
>> care about the speed and quality of service for country people's
>> internet? I guess that honesty simply doesn't serve your political
>> agenda, particularly with an election coming on, huh? The Optus proposal will provide broadband
>> to 426 country exchanges
>> whereas the Telstra plan was going to reach over 1500 exchanges! So
>> how come you didn't mention that? And as you know, Optus is 100%
>> owned by the Singaporean government, so you have just given a
>> foreign govt a huge financial leg up. Duh!
>>
>> It's hard to see how you could have stuffed this up more even if you
>> tried and the tragedy is that it took the Govt of which you are a
>> member, 11 years to do it and then only because the Rudd Federal
>> Opposition actually forced you to make a decision.
>>
>> Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in Opposition come December.
> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just outright crap and just a
> patch up job for the election just to keep the voters happy.
More fool you.
> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of your flagrant political bias.
> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in
There is even with the dud's scheme, fuckwit.
> and the country people will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed right up their arse.
Easy to claim, bigot boy.
> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap ,
It aint just wireless for the country users, fuckwit.
> it will be patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and mountain ranges
> between the user and the exchange ,
Not a fucking clue, as always.
> not to mention anything about congestion by users.
How odd that it works fine in the capital citys.
> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for mobile phone towers all over
> the place.
Nope, JUST where that makes sense instead
of the adsl2+ thats also part of the new decision.
> And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged off Telstra for a big profit
> and now they are going to be paying a foreign owned company , Optus to implement this crap
> broadband system at the taxpayers expense .
Pity about the adsl thats already been extensively rolled out, fool.
> Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly bitch Helen Coonan
> to stop dribbling crap about technology she knows nothing about ,
You in spades.
> it was quit obvious on TV the other night that she knows stuff all about the technology she is
> trying to flog to the aust people.
You in spades.
> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas 2007.
Not a chance, you watch.
And your union goons wont be ruling the roost, either.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5dpcf1F35b3qsU1@mid.individual.net...
> Sandgroper <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
>> outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
>> voters happy.
>
> More fool you.
>
>> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of your flagrant political
> bias.
>
>> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in
>
> There is even with the dud's scheme, fuckwit.
>
>> and the country people will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed
>> right up their arse.
>
> Easy to claim, bigot boy.
>
>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap ,
>
> It aint just wireless for the country users, fuckwit.
>
>> it will be patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills
>> and mountain ranges between the user and the exchange ,
>
> Not a fucking clue, as always.
>
>> not to mention anything about congestion by users.
>
> How odd that it works fine in the capital citys.
>
>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
>> mobile phone towers all over the place.
>
> Nope, JUST where that makes sense instead
> of the adsl2+ thats also part of the new decision.
>
>> And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged off
>> Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a foreign
>> owned company , Optus to implement this crap broadband system at the
>> taxpayers expense .
>
> Pity about the adsl thats already been extensively rolled out, fool.
>
>> Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly bitch Helen Coonan
>> to stop dribbling crap about technology she knows nothing about ,
>
> You in spades.
>
>> it was quit obvious on TV the other night that she knows stuff all about
>> the technology she is trying to flog to the aust people.
>
> You in spades.
>
>> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas 2007.
>
> Not a chance, you watch.
>
> And your union goons wont be ruling the roost, either.
ROFL
It looks like Roodles the newsbot has upgraded some of his software library
and has included some new dictionary words and phrases .... Wow !
Pity he can't be programmed to edit the posts and to snip out all the
previous posts/replies.
PS
Not only is Roodles a badly programmed newsbot , but he is also a LIBERAL
party newsbot as well !!
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Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
Sandgroper <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Sandgroper <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote
>>> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just outright crap and just a
>>> patch up job for the election just to keep the voters happy.
>> More fool you.
>>> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of your flagrant political bias.
>>> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in
>> There is even with the dud's scheme, fuckwit.
>>> and the country people will get the rough end of the pineapple
>>> jammed right up their arse.
>> Easy to claim, bigot boy.
>>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap ,
>> It aint just wireless for the country users, fuckwit.
>>> it will be patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are
>>> hills and mountain ranges between the user and the exchange ,
>> Not a fucking clue, as always.
>>> not to mention anything about congestion by users.
>> How odd that it works fine in the capital citys.
>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for mobile phone towers all
>>> over the place.
>> Nope, JUST where that makes sense instead
>> of the adsl2+ thats also part of the new decision.
>>> And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged
>>> off Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a
>>> foreign owned company , Optus to implement this crap broadband
>>> system at the taxpayers expense .
>> Pity about the adsl thats already been extensively rolled out, fool.
>>> Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly bitch Helen Coonan to stop dribbling crap
>>> about technology she knows nothing about ,
>> You in spades.
>>> it was quit obvious on TV the other night that she knows stuff all
>>> about the technology she is trying to flog to the aust people.
>> You in spades.
>>> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas 2007.
>> Not a chance, you watch.
>> And your union goons wont be ruling the roost, either.
> ROFL
Village eejut imitations cut no mustard around here, child.
> It looks like Roodles the newsbot has upgraded some of his software
> library and has included some new dictionary words and phrases ....
> Wow ! Pity he can't be programmed to edit the posts and to snip out all the
> previous posts/replies.
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
> PS
> Not only is Roodles a badly programmed newsbot , but he is also a LIBERAL party newsbot as well
> !!
Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag, labor party stoogechild.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5dpcf1F35b3qsU1@mid.individual.net...
> Sandgroper <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote:
>> "Cobber" <geoff7772001@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> message
>> news:4677393b$0$22404$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> Broadband Decision
>>> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan
>>> (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>>>
>>> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>>>
>>> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband
>>> two tier plan? That's
>>> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think
>>> that there are a
>>> lot of dumb people out here. This ridiculous
>>> estimate will blow out
>>> dramatically as soon as the election is over.
>>>
>>> And as for saddling country people with completely
>>> untried WiMax
>>> wireless technology - shame on you. You have just
>>> abandoned a key
>>> constituency - the entire country population of
>>> Australia. Radio
>>> transmission is never as good as fixed line and
>>> you know it. Just
>>> think of the difference in call quality between
>>> fixed line and
>>> mobile. Country people will end up with a
>>> considerably slower second
>>> rate service which will be affected by a number of
>>> variables
>>> including the weather, while city people will
>>> travel first class on
>>> high speed fibre! Why don't you just come out and
>>> say that you don't
>>> care about the speed and quality of service for
>>> country people's
>>> internet? I guess that honesty simply doesn't
>>> serve your political
>>> agenda, particularly with an election coming on,
>>> huh? The Optus proposal will provide broadband to
>>> 426 country exchanges
>>> whereas the Telstra plan was going to reach over
>>> 1500 exchanges! So
>>> how come you didn't mention that? And as you know,
>>> Optus is 100%
>>> owned by the Singaporean government, so you have
>>> just given a
>>> foreign govt a huge financial leg up. Duh!
>>>
>>> It's hard to see how you could have stuffed this
>>> up more even if you
>>> tried and the tragedy is that it took the Govt of
>>> which you are a
>>> member, 11 years to do it and then only because
>>> the Rudd Federal
>>> Opposition actually forced you to make a decision.
>>>
>>> Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in
>>> Opposition come December.
>
>> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's
>> broadband proposal is just outright crap and just a
>> patch up job for the election just to keep the
>> voters happy.
>
> More fool you.
>
>> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of your
> flagrant political bias.
>
>> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system
>> in
>
> There is even with the dud's scheme, fuckwit.
>
>> and the country people will get the rough end of
>> the pineapple jammed right up their arse.
>
> Easy to claim, bigot boy.
>
>> Using wireless access for country users in going to
>> be crap ,
>
> It aint just wireless for the country users,
> fuckwit.
>
>> it will be patchy and at reduced speeds
>> particularly if there are hills and mountain ranges
>> between the user and the exchange ,
>
> Not a fucking clue, as always.
>
>> not to mention anything about congestion by users.
>
> How odd that it works fine in the capital citys.
>
>> In short they would have to set up line of sight
>> towers just like for mobile phone towers all over
>> the place.
>
> Nope, JUST where that makes sense instead
> of the adsl2+ thats also part of the new decision.
>
>> And another thing that really sucks is that the
>> Liberal Gov flogged off Telstra for a big profit
>> and now they are going to be paying a foreign owned
>> company , Optus to implement this crap broadband
>> system at the taxpayers expense .
>
> Pity about the adsl thats already been extensively
> rolled out, fool.
>
>> Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly
>> bitch Helen Coonan
>> to stop dribbling crap about technology she knows
>> nothing about ,
>
> You in spades.
>
>> it was quit obvious on TV the other night that she
>> knows stuff all about the technology she is trying
>> to flog to the aust people.
>
> You in spades.
>
>> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be
>> unemployed by Christmas 2007.
>
> Not a chance, you watch.
>
> And your union goons wont be ruling the roost,
> either.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of your
flagrant political bias.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
Swampfox <noidea@whocaresanyway> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5dpcf1F35b3qsU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Sandgroper <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> "Cobber" <geoff7772001@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:4677393b$0$22404$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>> Broadband Decision
>>>> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan
>>>> (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>>>>
>>>> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>>>>
>>>> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband
>>>> two tier plan? That's
>>>> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think
>>>> that there are a
>>>> lot of dumb people out here. This ridiculous
>>>> estimate will blow out
>>>> dramatically as soon as the election is over.
>>>>
>>>> And as for saddling country people with completely
>>>> untried WiMax
>>>> wireless technology - shame on you. You have just
>>>> abandoned a key
>>>> constituency - the entire country population of
>>>> Australia. Radio
>>>> transmission is never as good as fixed line and
>>>> you know it. Just
>>>> think of the difference in call quality between
>>>> fixed line and
>>>> mobile. Country people will end up with a
>>>> considerably slower second
>>>> rate service which will be affected by a number of
>>>> variables
>>>> including the weather, while city people will
>>>> travel first class on
>>>> high speed fibre! Why don't you just come out and
>>>> say that you don't
>>>> care about the speed and quality of service for
>>>> country people's
>>>> internet? I guess that honesty simply doesn't
>>>> serve your political
>>>> agenda, particularly with an election coming on,
>>>> huh? The Optus proposal will provide broadband to
>>>> 426 country exchanges
>>>> whereas the Telstra plan was going to reach over
>>>> 1500 exchanges! So
>>>> how come you didn't mention that? And as you know,
>>>> Optus is 100%
>>>> owned by the Singaporean government, so you have
>>>> just given a
>>>> foreign govt a huge financial leg up. Duh!
>>>>
>>>> It's hard to see how you could have stuffed this
>>>> up more even if you
>>>> tried and the tragedy is that it took the Govt of
>>>> which you are a
>>>> member, 11 years to do it and then only because
>>>> the Rudd Federal
>>>> Opposition actually forced you to make a decision.
>>>>
>>>> Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in
>>>> Opposition come December.
>>
>>> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's
>>> broadband proposal is just outright crap and just a
>>> patch up job for the election just to keep the
>>> voters happy.
>>
>> More fool you.
>>
>>> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>>
>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of your
>> flagrant political bias.
>>
>>> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system
>>> in
>>
>> There is even with the dud's scheme, fuckwit.
>>
>>> and the country people will get the rough end of
>>> the pineapple jammed right up their arse.
>>
>> Easy to claim, bigot boy.
>>
>>> Using wireless access for country users in going to
>>> be crap ,
>>
>> It aint just wireless for the country users,
>> fuckwit.
>>
>>> it will be patchy and at reduced speeds
>>> particularly if there are hills and mountain ranges
>>> between the user and the exchange ,
>>
>> Not a fucking clue, as always.
>>
>>> not to mention anything about congestion by users.
>>
>> How odd that it works fine in the capital citys.
>>
>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight
>>> towers just like for mobile phone towers all over
>>> the place.
>>
>> Nope, JUST where that makes sense instead
>> of the adsl2+ thats also part of the new decision.
>>
>>> And another thing that really sucks is that the
>>> Liberal Gov flogged off Telstra for a big profit
>>> and now they are going to be paying a foreign owned
>>> company , Optus to implement this crap broadband
>>> system at the taxpayers expense .
>>
>> Pity about the adsl thats already been extensively
>> rolled out, fool.
>>
>>> Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly
>>> bitch Helen Coonan
>>> to stop dribbling crap about technology she knows
>>> nothing about ,
>>
>> You in spades.
>>
>>> it was quit obvious on TV the other night that she
>>> knows stuff all about the technology she is trying
>>> to flog to the aust people.
>>
>> You in spades.
>>
>>> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be
>>> unemployed by Christmas 2007.
>>
>> Not a chance, you watch.
>>
>> And your union goons wont be ruling the roost,
>> either.
>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of your
> flagrant political bias.
Cant even manage its own lines, or anything else at all either.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:19:44 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Cant even manage its own lines, or anything else at all either.
And your reply was better? By the way, let the RodBot programmers know
that the first word should have been saved as "Can't". Perhaps there's
an unmatched delimiter in a table in the program? Always difficult
errors to track down. HTH.
--
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Nothing is Beatle Proof!!
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
Some silly little fuckwit claiming to be
Stephen X. Carter <steve@[127.0.0.1]> wrote just the
puerile derivative shit thats always pouring from the back of it.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
Sandgroper wrote:
>
> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
> outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
> voters happy.
SHows how little you understand cretin
> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
it's fact , now like it or kill your self in protest helstra stooge.
>
> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in and the country people
> will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed right up their arse.
wrong again idiot
or do you consider 4 or more meg/sec not reasonable broadband compared
to dial up ?
>
> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will be
> patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and mountain
> ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything about
> congestion by users.
what is your qualification for this comment apart from playing with
your self ?
>
> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for mobile
> phone towers all over the place.
few tpowers need be built and radios will be added to the existing
>
> And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged off
> Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a foreign owned
> company , Optus to implement this crap broadband system at the taxpayers
> expense .
what makes you think helstra is not owned by other than ozzies ?
>
> Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly bitch Helen Coonan to
> stop dribbling crap about technology she knows nothing about , it was quit
> obvious on TV the other night that she knows stuff all about the technology
> she is trying to flog to the aust people.
>
> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas 2007.
there is as much of that as you getting a clue .
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
"Sandgroper" <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:4677a22f$0$22451$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5dpcf1F35b3qsU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Sandgroper <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
>>> outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
>>> voters happy.
>>
>> More fool you.
>>
>>> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>>
>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of your flagrant political
>> bias.
>>
>>> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in
>>
>> There is even with the dud's scheme, fuckwit.
>>
>>> and the country people will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed
>>> right up their arse.
>>
>> Easy to claim, bigot boy.
>>
>>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap ,
>>
>> It aint just wireless for the country users, fuckwit.
>>
>>> it will be patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills
>>> and mountain ranges between the user and the exchange ,
>>
>> Not a fucking clue, as always.
>>
>>> not to mention anything about congestion by users.
>>
>> How odd that it works fine in the capital citys.
>>
>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
>>> mobile phone towers all over the place.
>>
>> Nope, JUST where that makes sense instead
>> of the adsl2+ thats also part of the new decision.
>>
>>> And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged off
>>> Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a foreign
>>> owned company , Optus to implement this crap broadband system at the
>>> taxpayers expense .
>>
>> Pity about the adsl thats already been extensively rolled out, fool.
>>
>>> Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly bitch Helen Coonan
>>> to stop dribbling crap about technology she knows nothing about ,
>>
>> You in spades.
>>
>>> it was quit obvious on TV the other night that she knows stuff all about
>>> the technology she is trying to flog to the aust people.
>>
>> You in spades.
>>
>>> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas
>>> 2007.
>>
>> Not a chance, you watch.
>>
>> And your union goons wont be ruling the roost, either.
>
> ROFL
> It looks like Roodles the newsbot has upgraded some of his software
> library and has included some new dictionary words and phrases .... Wow !
> Pity he can't be programmed to edit the posts and to snip out all the
> previous posts/replies.
>
>
>
> PS
> Not only is Roodles a badly programmed newsbot , but he is also a LIBERAL
> party newsbot as well !!
>
Ofcourse he is, Rod is a Liberal party apologist and an Alan Jones wannabe.
Rod can relate well to the Liberal party because Rod himself is an outright
liar, just like his mate Howard.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
> You know if you live in the country you should expect to be a little
> isolated
> from the rest of the planet.
>
> That's why most people go to live in the country after all, to get away
> from us
> loud city types.
>
> So why do you want to go and connect them all up just like they're living
> in the
> city?
You raise a good point. City people need fast broadband connection partly
because of the fast pace of city life. In the country this is not so much
an issue.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
"atec 77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
news:4677b03a$0$1184$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
> Sandgroper wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
>> outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
>> voters happy.
> SHows how little you understand cretin
>> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
> it's fact , now like it or kill your self in protest helstra stooge.
>>
Telstra stooge ?????
That's just goes to show how clueless you are , you are too stupid ( or
lazy ) to check out my headers that show that I am NOT with Telstra , but
with iiNet.
< snipped the rest of the pro liberal drivel and silly comments >
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True Multitasking is having three computers and a chair with wheels.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
Cobber wrote:
> Broadband Decision
> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>
> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
Another email that will go straight to the bin.
> Two years to roll out all of that broadband? That's absolute rubbish
and you
> know it! You must think that there are a lot of dumb people out here.
This
> ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically as soon as the
election is
> over.
Actually. Optus have put in place a lot of the hardware, and rolling out
wireless doesn't take a lot of time. Two years is absolutely possible.
>
> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax
wireless
> technology - shame on you.
Eh? You call over rollouts in 100 different countries, and a successful
large scale roll out in Canada to do much the same thing we're going to
do here - called 'untested'?
The only people that sprout on about WiMAX being untested are either
fuckwits from 'Now we are talking' or the GSM camp.
> You have just abandoned a key constituency - the
> entire country population of Australia. Radio transmission is never
as good
> as fixed line and you know it.
Tell that to all the people who Telstra is migrating over the the WLL
service. A good wireless connection will piss of a rotting copper line
any day.
> Just think of the difference in call quality
> between fixed line and mobile. Country people will end up with a
> considerably slower second rate service which will be affected by a
number
> of variables including the weather, while city people will travel first
> class on high speed fibre!
Garbage. Rolling out fibre to the country is unfeasible. You willing to
pay the $15bn+ or so to cover only 70% of the population using Telstra's
rotting copper lines?
Ever heard of 'competition'?
> Why don't you just come out and say that you
> don't care about the speed and quality of service for country people?
What, 12mbps is 'not caring'?
You seriously are a terminal fuckwit.
> I guess that honesty simply doesn't serve your political agenda,
particularly
> with an election coming on, huh?
Like Ruddite not admitting he doesn't know what productivity is, or not
admitting that he's a pupped opposition led by the Unions?
> Great work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in Opposition come December.
She'll be back, and fuckwits like you will be working in their to be
ununionised workshop no longer.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
Sandgroper wrote:
> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in and the country people
> will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed right up their arse.
Oh and everything Kevin Ruddite says is fact is it?
Looks like we have another fuckwit lefty here - just declare your
elegance before posting would you nex time.
Kevin Rudd doesn't even know what PRODUCTIVITY means. Good luck having a
government paying for a broadband rollout when the country's in a
recession - which'll happen if Rudfuckwit gets voted it by the mass of
sour-graps unionists (Got SFA chance otherwise).
> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will be
> patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and mountain
> ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything about
> congestion by users.
How many Telstra copper lines do you know run over hills and mountain
ranges to service one person?
Hint: it's between and 0 0.00.
> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for mobile
> phone towers all over the place.
That's why you roll out a NLOS system, fuckwit.
> And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged off
> Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a foreign owned
> company , Optus to implement this crap broadband system at the taxpayers
> expense.
That doesn't make sense you dickhead. If they flogged off Telstra, then
THAT paid for it, not the shareholders.
> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas 2007.
Unlikely. Most people care about an economy that can be managed and low
unemployment, unlike what you'd infer from the extreme minority of
fuckwits that reside on NTTP groups.
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:50:16 +0800, "Sandgroper"
<steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>"Cobber" <geoff7772001@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:4677393b$0$22404$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Broadband Decision
>> To: Helen (Senator) Coonan (senator.coonan@aph.gov.au)
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2007 9:31:40 AM
>>
>> Senator Helen Coonan - Minister for Communications
>>
>> Two years to roll out all of your new broadband two tier plan? That's
>> absolute rubbish and you know it! You must think that there are a lot of
>> dumb people out here. This ridiculous estimate will blow out dramatically
>> as soon as the election is over.
>>
>> And as for saddling country people with completely untried WiMax wireless
>> technology - shame on you. You have just abandoned a key constituency -
>> the entire country population of Australia. Radio transmission is never as
>> good as fixed line and you know it. Just think of the difference in call
>> quality between fixed line and mobile. Country people will end up with a
>> considerably slower second rate service which will be affected by a number
>> of variables including the weather, while city people will travel first
>> class on high speed fibre! Why don't you just come out and say that you
>> don't care about the speed and quality of service for country people's
>> internet? I guess that honesty simply doesn't serve your political agenda,
>> particularly with an election coming on, huh?
>>
>> The Optus proposal will provide broadband to 426 country exchanges whereas
>> the Telstra plan was going to reach over 1500 exchanges! So how come you
>> didn't mention that? And as you know, Optus is 100% owned by the
>> Singaporean government, so you have just given a foreign govt a huge
>> financial leg up. Duh!
>>
>> It's hard to see how you could have stuffed this up more even if you tried
>> and the tragedy is that it took the Govt of which you are a member, 11
>> years to do it and then only because the Rudd Federal Opposition actually
>> forced you to make a decision.
>>
>> Brilliant work Senator! I hope you enjoy being in Opposition come
>> December.
>
>Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
>outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
>voters happy.
>( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>
>As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in and the country people
>will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed right up their arse.
>
>Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap , it will be
>patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills and mountain
>ranges between the user and the exchange , not to mention anything about
>congestion by users.
>
>In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for mobile
>phone towers all over the place.
>
>And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged off
>Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a foreign owned
>company , Optus to implement this crap broadband system at the taxpayers
>expense .
>
>Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly bitch Helen Coonan to
>stop dribbling crap about technology she knows nothing about , it was quit
>obvious on TV the other night that she knows stuff all about the technology
>she is trying to flog to the aust people.
>
>Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas 2007.
Sandy,
You were'nt that fat, loud foul mouthed prick on the TV report last
night, were you ??
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
In article <4677ef86$0$22407$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au says...
>
> "atec 77" <"atec 77 at hotmail dot com"> wrote in message
> news:4677b03a$0$1184$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...
> > Sandgroper wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
> >> outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
> >> voters happy.
> > SHows how little you understand cretin
> >> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
> > it's fact , now like it or kill your self in protest helstra stooge.
> >>
>
> Telstra stooge ?????
> That's just goes to show how clueless you are , you are too stupid ( or
> lazy ) to check out my headers that show that I am NOT with Telstra , but
> with iiNet.
>
> < snipped the rest of the pro liberal drivel and silly comments >
>
>
>
>
Ok then foolish ill-informed twat , what ever
Re: Broadband Decision - Country Australians Shafted!
Clockmeister wrote:
> "Sandgroper" <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:4677a22f$0$22451$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5dpcf1F35b3qsU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Sandgroper <steveray@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>> Yeah , I reckon that little Johnny Howard's broadband proposal is just
>>>> outright crap and just a patch up job for the election just to keep the
>>>> voters happy.
>>> More fool you.
>>>
>>>> ( will it be a "core" or "non core" promise ? )
>>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of your flagrant political
>>> bias.
>>>
>>>> As Kevin Rudd says , it will be a TWO TIER system in
>>> There is even with the dud's scheme, fuckwit.
>>>
>>>> and the country people will get the rough end of the pineapple jammed
>>>> right up their arse.
>>> Easy to claim, bigot boy.
>>>
>>>> Using wireless access for country users in going to be crap ,
>>> It aint just wireless for the country users, fuckwit.
>>>
>>>> it will be patchy and at reduced speeds particularly if there are hills
>>>> and mountain ranges between the user and the exchange ,
>>> Not a fucking clue, as always.
>>>
>>>> not to mention anything about congestion by users.
>>> How odd that it works fine in the capital citys.
>>>
>>>> In short they would have to set up line of sight towers just like for
>>>> mobile phone towers all over the place.
>>> Nope, JUST where that makes sense instead
>>> of the adsl2+ thats also part of the new decision.
>>>
>>>> And another thing that really sucks is that the Liberal Gov flogged off
>>>> Telstra for a big profit and now they are going to be paying a foreign
>>>> owned company , Optus to implement this crap broadband system at the
>>>> taxpayers expense .
>>> Pity about the adsl thats already been extensively rolled out, fool.
>>>
>>>> Also little Johnny Howard should get that fat ugly bitch Helen Coonan
>>>> to stop dribbling crap about technology she knows nothing about ,
>>> You in spades.
>>>
>>>> it was quit obvious on TV the other night that she knows stuff all about
>>>> the technology she is trying to flog to the aust people.
>>> You in spades.
>>>
>>>> Hopeful all these arsehole Liberals will be unemployed by Christmas
>>>> 2007.
>>> Not a chance, you watch.
>>>
>>> And your union goons wont be ruling the roost, either.
>> ROFL
>> It looks like Roodle
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