THE productivity benefits of high-speed internet access may be a myth, says
a New Zealand study that undermines part of the Federal Government's
justification for the $43 billion national broadband network.
The study found that while there were economic benefits in having ADSL
rather than dial-up, there was little extra value in faster forms such as
fibre-optic cable.
Motu Economic and Public Policy Research mapped data from a 2006 study on
more than 6000 firms' internet services against administrative tax and
employment data to measure productivity. It found those firms that took up
the kind of slower broadband services that are readily available in
Australia achieved a 10 per cent productivity boost by using it to enter new
export markets and buy goods and services online, but there was ''no
discernible additional effect'' gained from a faster service.
''Slow broadband'' was classed as ADSL offering 3 megabits a second, and
fast as mostly cable services offering 8 megabits a second. Typical speeds
in Australia are now at the mid-single digits.
Re: Broadly speaking, 100 megabits a second may not help us
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:50:21 +0800, "Aussie Bob"
<aussiebullshittingbob@telstra,com.au> wrote:
>THE productivity benefits of high-speed internet access may be a myth, says
>a New Zealand study that undermines part of the Federal Government's
>justification for the $43 billion national broadband network.
Bob Bot, forget NZ.
Better off attacking the cost of installing the system, and lack of cost /
benefit analysis.
Re: Broadly speaking, 100 megabits a second may not help us
"Aussie Bob" <aussiebob@telstra,com.au> wrote:
>From
>http://www.smh.com.au/technology/bro...1102-htft.html
>
> It found those firms that took up
>the kind of slower broadband services that are readily available in
>Australia achieved a 10 per cent productivity boost by using it to enter new
>export markets and buy goods and services online, but there was ''no
>discernible additional effect'' gained from a faster service.
A broadband connection that is significantly faster than everybody
else's won't make a difference because there will be no generally
available content based on extremely fast speeds. Applying this study
to a country where almost everybody will have a 100 Mbps broadband
connection makes no sense except, perhaps, to conclude the "bleeding
obvious"; that there is economic benefit in having an Internet
connection that is comparable to that of the population you are
serving.
Re: Broadly speaking, 100 megabits a second may not help us
How is the government going to make money out of the NBN? Are they going to
get 1c for every mb or something?
Why invest millions in parking meters unless you are going to charge?
"Aussie Bob" <aussiebob@telstra,com.au> wrote in message
news:4af0a5a3$0$1782$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> From
> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/bro...1102-htft.html
>
> THE productivity benefits of high-speed internet access may be a myth,
> says a New Zealand study that undermines part of the Federal Government's
> justification for the $43 billion national broadband network.
>
....
Re: Broadly speaking, 100 megabits a second may not help us
news reader wrote:
> How is the government going to make money out of the NBN?
They are attempting to replace the copper network with it, so you wont have any choice on using it.
> Are they going to get 1c for every mb or something?
> Why invest millions in parking meters unless you are going to charge?
They aint planning to charge for the use of the stuff they are adding to schools.
> "Aussie Bob" <aussiebob@telstra,com.au> wrote in message
> news:4af0a5a3$0$1782$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>> From
>> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/bro...1102-htft.html
>>
>> THE productivity benefits of high-speed internet access may be a
>> myth, says a New Zealand study that undermines part of the Federal
>> Government's justification for the $43 billion national broadband
>> network.
> ...
Re: Broadly speaking, 100 megabits a second may not help us
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 10:46:32 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> How is the government going to make money out of the NBN?
>
>They are attempting to replace the copper network with it, so you wont have any choice on using it.
Survey questions ultra-fast broadband gains
2:54PM Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
------------------------------
Industry commentator Paul Budde said the outcome of the Motu study did
not come as a surprise.
High-speed broadband linked to an open network would open the
infrastructure to other sectors and it was those sectors that would
provide improved productivity, Mr Budde said.
Most of these sectors were under government control and operated
within closed silos.
In order to make productivity gains the government would first have to
direct those sectors to use the new fibre network. That would activate
those sectors to start building their own business models which would
show what the real productivity gains were.
Plenty of high level data indicated a trans-sector approach to
ultra-fast broadband would deliver such benefits as:
- hospitalisation of older people could be reduced by 40-70 per cent;
- smart grids could save 30 per cent of energy;
- e-education would deliver far more productive 1:1 education
services; and
- smart cities, smart transport and smart infrastructure would greatly
contribute to the environment and society at large.
--------------------------------
Internet access is a single sector in a multi sector environment. The
health sector will provide services not connected to the Internet
sector and will be financed by those who provide health care related
facilities over NBN. Smart Grids will provide a route to using energy
efficiently.
The smart grid follows the footsteps of the Internet and the
interstate highway system--they are giant investments in
infrastructure. It's not so much a single thing as it is a goal to
give the electricity system a digital makeover to make it more
efficient and reliable.
"Whirlpool wants to pull plug on 'dumb' appliances" - all appliances
will connect to a smart grid by 2015.
When thinking NBN it's necessary to disconnect from thinking NBN =
Internet. It's an investment in infrastructure of which the Internet
is just a single sector.
Re: Broadly speaking, 100 megabits a second may not help us
Polly the Parrot wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> How is the government going to make money out of the NBN?
>> They are attempting to replace the copper network
>> with it, so you wont have any choice on using it.
> Typical socialist clap trap by Labour.
Dunno, looks much more like a rather atypical attempt to avoid
looking too bad when they couldnt deliver on their election promise
and the dud was so stupid/innumerate that he hasnt got a fucking
clue about the financial viability of what he came up with instead.
That fuckwit has never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
> said the outcome of the Motu study did not come as a surprise.
> High-speed broadband linked to an open network would open the
> infrastructure to other sectors and it was those sectors that would
> provide improved productivity, Mr Budde said.
> Most of these sectors were under government control and operated
> within closed silos.
> In order to make productivity gains the government would first have to
> direct those sectors to use the new fibre network. That would activate
> those sectors to start building their own business models which would
> show what the real productivity gains were.
> Plenty of high level data indicated a trans-sector approach to
> ultra-fast broadband would deliver such benefits as:
> - hospitalisation of older people could be reduced by 40-70 per cent;
Pure fantasy. You dont need fibre optic to the home
for that and it wont deliver that result, you watch.
> - smart grids could save 30 per cent of energy;
Completely mindlessly silly. You dont need fibre optic for that, fuckwit.
> - e-education would deliver far more productive 1:1 education services; and
Not a hope in hell, you watch.
> - smart cities, smart transport and smart infrastructure would
> greatly contribute to the environment and society at large.
Completely mindlessly silly. You dont need fibre optic for that, fuckwit.
> --------------------------------
> Internet access is a single sector in a multi sector environment.
Meaningless waffle.
> The health sector will provide services not connected to the Internet sector and
> will be financed by those who provide health care related facilities over NBN.
They can do that now. Dont need fibre optic to every house for that, fuckwit.
> Smart Grids will provide a route to using energy efficiently.
Completely mindlessly silly. You dont need fibre optic to every house for that, fuckwit.
> The smart grid follows the footsteps of the Internet and the
> interstate highway system--they are giant investments in
> infrastructure. It's not so much a single thing as it is a goal to
> give the electricity system a digital makeover to make it more
> efficient and reliable.
Completely mindlessly silly. You dont need fibre optic for that, fuckwit.
> "Whirlpool wants to pull plug on 'dumb' appliances" -
> all appliances will connect to a smart grid by 2015.
Completely mindlessly silly. You dont need fibre optic for that, fuckwit.
> When thinking NBN it's necessary to disconnect from thinking NBN =
> Internet. It's an investment in infrastructure of which the Internet
> is just a single sector.
How odd that NOT ONE of the places that actually has
fibre optic to the houses has actually done any of this shit.
> Paul Budde is one it's proponents.
And is a terminal fuckwit that has never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
The Obama administration's interest in the National Broadband Network
(NBN) continues, with the US president's key telecommunications
advisor meeting an Australian analyst earlier this month to discuss
the $43 billion plan.
Buddecomme director and telecommuncations analyst, Paul Budde, met
with former ICANN board member and Obama's special assistant for
science, technology, and innovation policy, Susan Crawford, to discuss
the Federal Government's NBN approach. The meeting took place in the
second week in October.
"There is an enormous interest from the United States in what we are
doing here," Budde told Computerworld. "Not that they are looking to
copy us, not at all. But it is fascinating for them to see how things
are developing and obviously how they can learn from it. They are now
a strong believer in this trans-sector approach."
Budde has written several reports on telecommunications for the Obama
administration and, along with other analysts and industry bodies, has
also spent the last few years assisting communications minister,
Senator Stephen Conroy -- and the former minister, Helen Coonan -- to
develop Australia's digital economy strategy.
Trevor Clarke
28.10.2009 kl 13:55 - IDG News Service
"There needs to be a multiplier effect in the investment you make in
telecoms -- it should not just be limited to high-speed Internet,"
Budde said. "That is pretty new and in the US it is nearly communism,
that sort of thinking. They are not used to that level of sharing and
going away from free-market politics to a situation whereby you are
looking at the national interest. In all my 30 years in the industry,
this is the first time America is interested in listening to people
like myself from outside.
"The interesting thing is the White House also has a trans-sector
team, so under Obama they really have a team that looks at that
multiplier effect."
The analyst also indicated the New Zealand and Dutch governments were
actively investigating the NBN and that mutual cooperation between the
four nations would continue.
Re: Broadly speaking, 100 megabits a second may not help us
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:04:53 +1100, Bob Bain wrote:
> Budde [..] has
> also spent the last few years assisting communications minister, Senator
> Stephen Conroy -- and the former minister, Helen Coonan -- to develop
> Australia's digital economy strategy.
> The Obama administration's interest in the National Broadband Network
> (NBN) continues, with the US president's key telecommunications advisor
> meeting an Australian analyst earlier this month to discuss the $43 billion plan.
Only in his pathetic little drug crazed pseudokraut fantasyland.
> Buddecomme director and telecommuncations analyst, Paul Budde,
> met with former ICANN board member and Obama's special assistant
> for science, technology, and innovation policy, Susan Crawford, to
> discuss the Federal Government's NBN approach. The meeting
> took place in the second week in October.
Nothing like that original lie.
> "There is an enormous interest from the United States
> in what we are doing here," Budde told Computerworld.
Only in his pathetic little drug crazed pseudokraut fantasyland.
> "Not that they are looking to copy us, not at all. But it is fascinating for them
> to see how things are developing and obviously how they can learn from it.
Only in his pathetic little drug crazed pseudokraut fantasyland.
> They are now a strong believer in this trans-sector approach."
Only in his pathetic little drug crazed pseudokraut fantasyland.
> Budde has written several reports on telecommunications for the Obama administration
Nothing like that original lie.
> and, along with other analysts and industry bodies, has also
> spent the last few years assisting communications minister,
> Senator Stephen Conroy -- and the former minister, Helen
> Coonan -- to develop Australia's digital economy strategy.
Only in his pathetic little drug crazed pseudokraut fantasyland.
> "There needs to be a multiplier effect in the investment you make in telecoms
> -- it should not just be limited to high-speed Internet," Budde said.
Meaningless waffle.
> "That is pretty new and in the US it is nearly communism, that sort of thinking.
Wota fucking wanker...
> They are not used to that level of sharing and going away from free-market
> politics to a situation whereby you are looking at the national interest.
Pity about their national highway system, you stupid pig ignorant fuckwit clown.
> In all my 30 years in the industry, this is the first time America
> is interested in listening to people like myself from outside.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pseudokraut fantasys.
> "The interesting thing is the White House also has a trans-sector team,
Wota fucking wanker...
> so under Obama they really have a team that looks at that multiplier effect."
Wota fucking wanker...
> The analyst
The wanker, actually...
> also indicated the New Zealand and Dutch governments were actively investigating
> the NBN and that mutual cooperation between the four nations would continue.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pseudokraut fantasys.
Re: Broadly speaking, 100 megabits a second may not help us
In article <4vi7f5l20nvamh6fev4u37a9anp1ipe1ej@4ax.com>, Bob Bain <++@tpg.com.au> wrote:
[snip]
>
>The analyst also indicated the New Zealand and Dutch governments were
>actively investigating the NBN ...
I hope they find the scam before we're saddled with the cost of it!
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