Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
(each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
The competition number was 19 775 777
In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)
On Oct 27, 9:24*am, John Savage <rooksw...@suburbian.com.au> wrote:
> Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>
> Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
> only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
Wow mate, you have a really interesting and fulfilling life don't you?
John Savage wrote:
> Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>
> Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
> only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
**I fail to see why *anyone* enters any competition that involves SMS. These
TV show competitions are the worst rip-offs. I guess there's one born every
minute.
On 27/10/2010 10:27 AM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> John Savage wrote:
>> Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
>> reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>>
>> Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
>> period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
>> (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>>
>> I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
>> anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>>
>> The competition number was 19 775 777
>>
>> In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
>> only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
>
> **I fail to see why *anyone* enters any competition that involves SMS. These
> TV show competitions are the worst rip-offs. I guess there's one born every
> minute.
>
>
It's worse than that. The SMS competitions distort the economics of
commercial television broadcasting, so that attracting viewers is no
longer a priority. As a result, we get programming that is even more
rubbish than usual.
On Oct 27, 9:27*am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> John Savage wrote:
> > Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> > reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>
> > Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> > period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> > (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> > I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> > anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> > The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> > In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
> > only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
>
> **I fail to see why *anyone* enters any competition that involves SMS. These
> TV show competitions are the worst rip-offs. I guess there's one born every
> minute.
I don't think that they are the "worst" rip-offs, but they definitely
are rip-offs. I can think of MANY worse rip-offs. So Trev, you
didn't really think that comment through did ya?
On Oct 27, 10:33*am, Coach <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 9:27*am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > John Savage wrote:
> > > Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> > > reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times)..
>
> > > Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> > > period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> > > (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> > > I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> > > anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> > > The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> > > In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
> > > only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
>
> > **I fail to see why *anyone* enters any competition that involves SMS. These
> > TV show competitions are the worst rip-offs. I guess there's one born every
> > minute.
>
> I don't think that they are the "worst" rip-offs, but they definitely
> are rip-offs. *I can think of MANY worse rip-offs. *So Trev, you
> didn't really think that comment through did ya?
Similar to the way your parents (assuming you know who they were)
didn't think things through and consider the dire consequences when
they got drunk and spawned you?
On Oct 27, 9:58*am, Jeremiah Bullfrog <jerebull...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 10:33*am, Coach <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 9:27*am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > John Savage wrote:
> > > > Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> > > > reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>
> > > > Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> > > > period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> > > > (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> > > > I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> > > > anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> > > > The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> > > > In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgementto
> > > > only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
>
> > > **I fail to see why *anyone* enters any competition that involves SMS.. These
> > > TV show competitions are the worst rip-offs. I guess there's one bornevery
> > > minute.
>
> > I don't think that they are the "worst" rip-offs, but they definitely
> > are rip-offs. *I can think of MANY worse rip-offs. *So Trev, you
> > didn't really think that comment through did ya?
>
> Similar to the way your parents (assuming you know who they were)
> didn't think things through and consider the dire consequences when
> they got drunk and spawned you?
Huh? I'm a bot, you moron. Please at least TRY to keep up.
On Oct 27, 10:26*am, Coach <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 9:24*am, John Savage <rooksw...@suburbian.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> > reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>
> > Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> > period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> > (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> > I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> > anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> > The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> > In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
> > only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
>
> Wow mate, you have a really interesting and fulfilling life don't you?
I'll bet he still wouldn't switch places with you.
On Oct 27, 10:33*am, Coach <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 9:27*am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > John Savage wrote:
> > > Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> > > reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times)..
>
> > > Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> > > period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> > > (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> > > I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> > > anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> > > The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> > > In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
> > > only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
>
> > **I fail to see why *anyone* enters any competition that involves SMS. These
> > TV show competitions are the worst rip-offs. I guess there's one born every
> > minute.
>
> I don't think that they are the "worst" rip-offs, but they definitely
> are rip-offs. *I can think of MANY worse rip-offs. *So Trev, you
> didn't really think that comment through did ya?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Trev told us what he thinks. Please in future read what is written not
what YOU THINK is written.
On Oct 27, 1:43*pm, Zappy <ke...@zappy.com.au> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 10:33*am, Coach <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 9:27*am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > John Savage wrote:
> > > > Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> > > > reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>
> > > > Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> > > > period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> > > > (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> > > > I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> > > > anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> > > > The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> > > > In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgementto
> > > > only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
>
> > > **I fail to see why *anyone* enters any competition that involves SMS.. These
> > > TV show competitions are the worst rip-offs. I guess there's one bornevery
> > > minute.
>
> > I don't think that they are the "worst" rip-offs, but they definitely
> > are rip-offs. *I can think of MANY worse rip-offs. *So Trev, you
> > didn't really think that comment through did ya?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Trev told us what he thinks. Please in future read what is written not
> what YOU THINK is written.
Actually moron, Trev DIDN'T tell us what he thought. He said outright
that these SMS's ARE the biggest rip-off. So it is YOU who needs to
learn to read. How embarrassing being you.
On Oct 27, 7:58*am, Jeremiah Bullfrog <jerebull...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 10:33*am, Coach <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 9:27*am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > John Savage wrote:
> > > > Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> > > > reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>
> > > > Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> > > > period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> > > > (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> > > > I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> > > > anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> > > > The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> > > > In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgementto
> > > > only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
>
> > > **I fail to see why *anyone* enters any competition that involves SMS.. These
> > > TV show competitions are the worst rip-offs. I guess there's one bornevery
> > > minute.
>
> > I don't think that they are the "worst" rip-offs, but they definitely
> > are rip-offs. *I can think of MANY worse rip-offs. *So Trev, you
> > didn't really think that comment through did ya?
>
> Similar to the way your parents (assuming you know who they were)
> didn't think things through and consider the dire consequences when
> they got drunk and spawned you?
You seem to enjoy being rude to people, Jeremiah. Is your real name
David, perchance?
On Oct 27, 2:21*pm, Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Oct 27, 7:58*am, Jeremiah Bullfrog <jerebull...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 10:33*am, Coach <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 27, 9:27*am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > John Savage wrote:
> > > > > Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> > > > > reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>
> > > > > Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> > > > > period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> > > > > (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> > > > > I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> > > > > anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> > > > > The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> > > > > In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
> > > > > only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
>
> > > > **I fail to see why *anyone* enters any competition that involves SMS. These
> > > > TV show competitions are the worst rip-offs. I guess there's one born every
> > > > minute.
>
> > > I don't think that they are the "worst" rip-offs, but they definitely
> > > are rip-offs. *I can think of MANY worse rip-offs. *So Trev, you
> > > didn't really think that comment through did ya?
>
> > Similar to the way your parents (assuming you know who they were)
> > didn't think things through and consider the dire consequences when
> > they got drunk and spawned you?
>
> You seem to enjoy being rude to people, Jeremiah. Is your real name
> David, perchance?
I've never worked out what morons get out of contributing nothing
other than being rude to other posters in these newsgroups. Why come
here at all?
On Oct 27, 7:24*am, John Savage <rooksw...@suburbian.com.au> wrote:
> Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>
> Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
> only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
That happened to me once, twice or thrice. Twice I think. About a week
later the penny dropped: I had been playing with the settings of my
phone and set it to *not* send the caller ID. The phone company still
takes your 55c, even if you're not entered into the competition.
On Oct 27, 3:27*pm, Coach <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
David, perchance?
>
> I've never worked out what morons get out of contributing nothing
> other than being rude to other posters in these newsgroups. *Why come
> here at all?
> Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
> Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over
> a period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
> I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
55c, because thats what they said it would cost and that is legally enforceable.
> The competition number was 19 775 777
> In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement
> to only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
On Oct 27, 2:59*pm, Coach <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 1:43*pm, Zappy <ke...@zappy.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 10:33*am, Coach <suv...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 27, 9:27*am, "Trevor Wilson" <tre...@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > John Savage wrote:
> > > > > Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> > > > > reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>
> > > > > Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> > > > > period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> > > > > (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> > > > > I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> > > > > anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> > > > > The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> > > > > In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
> > > > > only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
>
> > > > **I fail to see why *anyone* enters any competition that involves SMS. These
> > > > TV show competitions are the worst rip-offs. I guess there's one born every
> > > > minute.
>
> > > I don't think that they are the "worst" rip-offs, but they definitely
> > > are rip-offs. *I can think of MANY worse rip-offs. *So Trev, you
> > > didn't really think that comment through did ya?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Trev told us what he thinks. Please in future read what is written not
> > what YOU THINK is written.
>
> Actually moron, Trev DIDN'T tell us what he thought. *He said outright
> that these SMS's ARE the biggest rip-off. *So it is YOU who needs to
> learn to read. *How embarrassing being you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Are you suggesting he didn't THINK before he typed?
Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildeblood@gmail.com> writes:
>That happened to me once, twice or thrice. Twice I think. About a week
>later the penny dropped: I had been playing with the settings of my
>phone and set it to *not* send the caller ID. The phone company still
>takes your 55c, even if you're not entered into the competition.
I didn't know there was a menu setting in phones to send SMS's
without a sender phone number. Not in mine, anyway.
It would seem impossible to know whether I am entered in the
competition. Maybe my phone network failed to pass the SMS onto
Ch 7's network, in which case I'm not in the comp. But maybe the
problem lies with Ch 7's reply not being passed back to my network,
in which case I would be in the comp, just not advised of it.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)
On Nov 1, 5:08*am, John Savage <rooksw...@suburbian.com.au> wrote:
> Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com> writes:
> >That happened to me once, twice or thrice. Twice I think. About a week
> >later the penny dropped: I had been playing with the settings of my
> >phone and set it to *not* send the caller ID. The phone company still
> >takes your 55c, even if you're not entered into the competition.
>
> I didn't know there was a menu setting in phones to send SMS's
> without a sender phone number. Not in mine, anyway.
There isn't. SMS always have the sender number attached, but it's a
different system to the caller ID system. But I'm sure that was what
did it. I suppose that somewhere in the "value chain" between normal
network behaviour and premium-rate, auto-reply SMS the SMS header is
ignored and the network caller ID becomes authoritative. SMS headers
can be spoofed to make messages appear to come from Someone Else,
after all. (I know that's true, I saw the scare story on A Current
Affair.)
Or, it could have just been a weird co-incidence.
> It would seem impossible to know whether I am entered in the
> competition. Maybe my phone network failed to pass the SMS onto
> Ch 7's network, in which case I'm not in the comp. But maybe the
> problem lies with Ch 7's reply not being passed back to my network,
> in which case I would be in the comp, just not advised of it.
On Nov 1, 3:46*pm, Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
SMS headers
> can be spoofed to make messages appear to come from Someone Else,
> after all. (I know that's true, I saw the scare story on A Current
> Affair.)
It is true because I am a subscriber to the ISP in question and have
installed their app on several office computers using my own account.
Three computers can send SMS's to me with my own number as the origin.
At least they could before the ACA story forced them to change their
app.
Brad wrote
> Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildebl...@gmail.com> wrote
>> SMS headers can be spoofed to make messages appear to come from Someone
>> Else, after all. (I know that's true, I saw the scare story on A Current Affair.)
> It is true because I am a subscriber to the ISP in question and have
> installed their app on several office computers using my own account.
> Three computers can send SMS's to me with my own number as the origin.
Some of the VSPs, voip SPs, allow you to do that too.
> At least they could before the ACA story forced them to change their app.
Wolfgang Wildeblood <wolfgangwildeblood@gmail.com> writes:
>On Nov 1, 5:08=A0am, John Savage <rooksw...@suburbian.com.au> wrote:
>> It would seem impossible to know whether I am entered in the
>> competition. Maybe my phone network failed to pass the SMS onto
>> Ch 7's network, in which case I'm not in the comp. But maybe the
>> problem lies with Ch 7's reply not being passed back to my network,
>> in which case I would be in the comp, just not advised of it.
>
>True, it's impossible to know.
Turns out that Optus had blocked my sending of SMSs. I rang SCT to
find out why. They said that if you send more than $20 of SMSs then
Optus regards it as premium SMS and blocks you for the rest of the
month. As I'd sent only one 55c SMS that seemed to not apply to me.
But back in July I paid for phonecard purchases by SMS and that may
have exceeded $20 so I guess it took a few months for Optus to wake
up and block me! I can't figure out why they wouldn't want us to
send lots of SMSs as Optus makes money on each. Anyway, the supervisor
restored it.
I'm now changing to Telstra. Does Telstra have this same nonsense?
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)
does anyone eer actually win these things,ive never know anyone whos been in
these sms comps and ever won anything.
"John Savage" <rookswood@suburbian.com.au> wrote in message
news:1010270123108.27Oct10$rookswood@suburbian.com ...
> Usually when you enter a competition via SMS there's an immediate
> reply acknowledging your entry (and inviting you to enter more times).
>
> Recently Ch7's Better Homes and Gardens ran a competition over a
> period of around a fortnight. During that period I sent 3 SMS's
> (each supposed to cost me 55c). I received no acknowledgement to any.
>
> I'll be examining my next bill to see what I was charged. Should I
> anticipate being charged as an ordinary SMS (22c) or the 55c?
>
> The competition number was 19 775 777
>
> In a previous Ch 7 comp I sent 3 SMS's and received acknowledgement to
> only 2, but did not check the bill to see how I was charged.
> --
> John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)
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