Rod Speed wrote:
> Playdough wrote
>
>> It now looks as if the copper wire network will be ripped out to be
>> replaced by fibre.
>
> Then you need new glasses.
No, I don't.
> The ACCC still gets a say on that, and
> they aint stupid enough to allow that, you watch.
The ACCC couldn't find its arse with both hands, and will do as its been
told. You watch, yerself.
>> An amazing achievement.
>
> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
Rod Speed wrote:
> Playdough wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Playdough wrote
>
>>>> It now looks as if the copper wire network will be ripped out to
>>>> be replaced by fibre.
>
>>> Then you need new glasses.
>
>> No, I don't.
>
> Corse you do.
Pig-ignorant lie.
>>> The ACCC still gets a say on that, and they aint stupid enough to
>>> allow that, you watch.
>
>> The ACCC couldn't find its arse with both hands, and will do as its
>> been told.
>
> It does what the TPA legislation says it must do.
It never has in the past. Why would it start now?
>> You watch, yerself.
>
> Been watching the ACCC since before you were even born.
Blatant lie.
> And even if the ACCC does allow it,
It will.
> and they wont,
Yes, it will.
> Telstra shareholders have to approve it as well,
They still around? More fool them.
> and they wont,
Yes, they will.
> you watch.
You watch, yerself.
>>>> An amazing achievement.
>
>>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>
>> Back in your sulky.
>
> Dont have one, ****wit child.
On 28/11/2010 3:20 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>> It now looks as if the copper wire network will be ripped out to be replaced by fibre.
> Then you need new glasses. The ACCC still gets a say on that, and they aint stupid enough to allow that, you watch.
>
Q. What would Telstra look like after this deal?
A (Thodey):
"Telstra would be a smaller, leaner company focused on its mobile
networks, Pay TV and media (including Sensis) divisions, with a
broadband arm that resells services on the NBN Co fibre network".
The ACCC cannot *compel* Telstra to operate *anything* Speedy boy.
>>> It now looks as if the copper wire network will be ripped out to be replaced by fibre.
>> Then you need new glasses. The ACCC still gets a say on that, and they aint stupid enough to allow that, you watch.
> Q. What would Telstra look like after this deal?
> A (Thodey):
> "Telstra would be a smaller, leaner company focused on its mobile
> networks, Pay TV and media (including Sensis) divisions, with a
> broadband arm that resells services on the NBN Co fibre network".
And the ACCC wont allow that, you watch.
> The ACCC cannot *compel* Telstra to operate *anything* Speedy boy.
Yep, but they do get to say whether Telstra can flog the copper network to the NBN
and have them rip it out, when that means a monopoly is produced, ****wit child.
On 28/11/2010 6:34 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> B J Foster wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>> It now looks as if the copper wire network will be ripped out to be replaced by fibre.
>
>>> Then you need new glasses. The ACCC still gets a say on that, and they aint stupid enough to allow that, you watch.
>
>> Q. What would Telstra look like after this deal?
>
>> A (Thodey):
>> "Telstra would be a smaller, leaner company focused on its mobile
>> networks, Pay TV and media (including Sensis) divisions, with a
>> broadband arm that resells services on the NBN Co fibre network".
>
> And the ACCC wont allow that, you watch.
>
>> The ACCC cannot *compel* Telstra to operate *anything* Speedy boy.
>
> Yep, but they do get to say whether Telstra can flog the copper network to the NBN
> and have them rip it out, when that means a monopoly is produced, ****wit child.
>
Telstra can switch it off tomorrow, if they choose to, idiot - see above.
>> "Telstra would be a smaller, leaner company ... with a
>> broadband arm that resells services *on* *the* *NBN* *Co* *fibre*
*network*".
On Nov 28, 11:37*am, "Playdough" <licor...@allsorts.net.fi> wrote:
> It now looks as if the copper wire network will be ripped out to be replaced
> by fibre. *An amazing achievement.
More like amazing stupididy.
Its tragedy for the country. $42 billion is $6000 per houshold?
Worth about 4000km of freeway, 10 teaching hospitals, a decent hospice
to for a dignified death.
It seems for about 1.8 billion all current ADSL customers could be
guranteed 12Mbit, which means that most would then be be able to get
up to 100Mbit since this would be achieved by VDSL upgrades in stree
boxes (and now that VHDSL is available up to 250Mbit to 400m on
copper). Another 1.8 billion upgrades all the old exchanges and a bit
more gives 3G and 4G acess in country areas.
Labour and its fanatic supporters really are out of control.
1 Screwed up solar photovolatic rebates. Sent thousands of dollars
overseas at expense of invesement
2 Screwed up power generation in NSW, were about to get blackouts and
the nutters are talking about broadband!
We in NSW have inefficient peaking plant running all the time and are
buying power from Queensland and they are about to use up all their
own.
3 Screwed up the home insulation scheme, much of the money went
overseas on foreigin insulation and foreigne workers.
4 School halls that cost 2 times what they are worth.
Can Labour do any worse to degrade the countries wealth.
Incompetence on a grand scale will produce poverty and unemployment.
Eunometic wrote:
> On Nov 28, 11:37*am, "Playdough" <licor...@allsorts.net.fi> wrote:
> > It now looks as if the copper wire network will be ripped out to be replaced
> > by fibre. *An amazing achievement.
>
> More like amazing stupididy.
>
> Its tragedy for the country. $42 billion is $6000 per houshold?
> Worth about 4000km of freeway, 10 teaching hospitals, a decent hospice
> to for a dignified death.
>
> It seems for about 1.8 billion all current ADSL customers could be
> guranteed 12Mbit, which means that most would then be be able to get
> up to 100Mbit since this would be achieved by VDSL upgrades in stree
> boxes (and now that VHDSL is available up to 250Mbit to 400m on
> copper). Another 1.8 billion upgrades all the old exchanges and a bit
> more gives 3G and 4G acess in country areas.
>
> Labour and its fanatic supporters really are out of control.
>
> 1 Screwed up solar photovolatic rebates. Sent thousands of dollars
> overseas at expense of invesement
> 2 Screwed up power generation in NSW, were about to get blackouts and
> the nutters are talking about broadband!
> We in NSW have inefficient peaking plant running all the time and are
> buying power from Queensland and they are about to use up all their
> own.
> 3 Screwed up the home insulation scheme, much of the money went
> overseas on foreigin insulation and foreigne workers.
> 4 School halls that cost 2 times what they are worth.
>
> Can Labour do any worse to degrade the countries wealth.
> Incompetence on a grand scale will produce poverty and unemployment.
**********************************************
The NBN money could solve housing shortages for everyone,
and that is the LAST thing our Lib/Lab quislings want.
Rod Speed wrote:
> Playdough wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Playdough wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Playdough wrote
>
>>>>>> It now looks as if the copper wire network will be ripped out to
>>>>>> be replaced by fibre.
>
>>>>> Then you need new glasses.
>
>>>> No, I don't.
>
>>> Corse you do.
>
>> Pig-ignorant lie.
>
> Fact.
>
>>>>> The ACCC still gets a say on that, and they aint stupid enough to
>>>>> allow that, you watch.
>
>>>> The ACCC couldn't find its arse with both hands, and will do as
>>>> its been told.
>
>>> It does what the TPA legislation says it must do.
>
>> It never has in the past.
>
> Another pig ignorant lie. You're so stupid that you didnt even
> notice what it did with the pay TV operations that went bust.
A whip-around?
>> Why would it start now?
>
> It wouldnt start now, it would do what its always done.
Exactly. That wasn't so hard, was it? Even for something as terminally
stupid as you.
>>>> You watch, yerself.
>
>>> Been watching the ACCC since before you were even born.
>
>> Blatant lie.
>
> Fact.
Flagrant lie.
>>> And even if the ACCC does allow it,
>
>> It will.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant
> fantasys.
Spell-check on the blink?
>>> and they wont,
>
>> Yes, it will.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant
> fantasys.
See above.
>>> Telstra shareholders have to approve it as well,
>
>> They still around? More fool them.
>
> They still get to decide if they will allow it. They wont, you watch.
They are too bust counting their losses and crying into their beer.
You watch, yerself.
>>> and they wont,
>
>> Yes, they will.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant
> fantasys.
See above.
>>> you watch.
>
>> You watch, yerself.
>
> Been doing that since before you were even born, ****wit child.
Your white cane and seeing-eye dog shows that.
>>>>>> An amazing achievement.
>
>>>>> Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>
>>>> Back in your sulky.
>
>>> Dont have one, ****wit child.
>
>> Your problem.
>
> Cant even manage its own lines, or anything else at all either.
B J Foster wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> B J Foster wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> It now looks as if the copper wire network will be ripped out to be replaced by fibre.
>>>> Then you need new glasses. The ACCC still gets a say on that, and they aint stupid enough to allow that, you watch.
>>> Q. What would Telstra look like after this deal?
>>> A (Thodey):
>>> "Telstra would be a smaller, leaner company focused on its mobile
>>> networks, Pay TV and media (including Sensis) divisions, with a
>>> broadband arm that resells services on the NBN Co fibre network".
>> And the ACCC wont allow that, you watch.
>>> The ACCC cannot *compel* Telstra to operate *anything* Speedy boy.
>> Yep, but they do get to say whether Telstra can flog the copper
>> network to the NBN and have them rip it out, when that means a
>> monopoly is produced, ****wit child.
> Telstra can switch it off tomorrow, if they choose to, idiot
No they cant. They have resold services on it and so cant do that, ****wit.
And they have been forced by legislation to resell the copper network, ****wit.
> - see above.
Completely useless, as always with your mindless pig ignorant ****.
>>> "Telstra would be a smaller, leaner company ... with a broadband arm that resells services *on* *the* *NBN* *Co*
>>> *fibre* *network*".
Eunometic wrote
> Playdough <licor...@allsorts.net.fi> wrote
>> It now looks as if the copper wire network will be ripped
>> out to be replaced by fibre. An amazing achievement.
Pure fantasy. Very impure fantasy, actually.
> More like amazing stupididy.
> Its tragedy for the country.
Nope, just a waste of that money that could be better spent.
> $42 billion is $6000 per houshold?
Not when its about what was raised by flogging off Telstra.
> Worth about 4000km of freeway, 10 teaching hospitals,
> a decent hospice to for a dignified death.
Thats there already. And most prefer to die at home anyway.
> It seems for about 1.8 billion all current ADSL customers could be guranteed
> 12Mbit, which means that most would then be be able to get up to 100Mbit
> since this would be achieved by VDSL upgrades in stree boxes
Fantasy. Most dont get their DSL via 'street boxes'
> (and now that VHDSL is available up to 250Mbit to 400m on copper).
Pity that our copper is a hell of a lot more than 400M.
> Another 1.8 billion upgrades all the old exchanges
That isnt going to give them 12Mb.
> and a bit more gives 3G and 4G acess in country areas.
They already have that.
> Labour and its fanatic supporters really are out of control.
You could always do the decent thing and set fire to yourself outside your local parliament.
> 1 Screwed up solar photovolatic rebates. Sent thousands of dollars overseas at expense of invesement
> 2 Screwed up power generation in NSW, were about to get blackouts
Pure fantasy. Very impure fantasy, actually.
> and the nutters are talking about broadband!
> We in NSW have inefficient peaking plant running all the time
Pure fantasy. Very impure fantasy, actually.
> and are buying power from Queensland and they are about to use up all their own.
Pure fantasy. Very impure fantasy, actually.
> 3 Screwed up the home insulation scheme, much of the money
> went overseas on foreigin insulation and foreigne workers.
You could always do the decent thing and set fire to yourself outside Gillard's office.
> 4 School halls that cost 2 times what they are worth.
You could always do the decent thing and set fire to yourself outside Gillard's office.
> Can Labour do any worse to degrade the countries wealth.
Corse they can.
> Incompetence on a grand scale will produce poverty and unemployment.
How odd that we actually have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the entire first world.
Benway (original non-Zionist) wrote:
> Eunometic wrote:
>> On Nov 28, 11:37 am, "Playdough" <licor...@allsorts.net.fi> wrote:
>>> It now looks as if the copper wire network will be ripped out to be
>>> replaced by fibre. An amazing achievement.
>>
>> More like amazing stupididy.
>>
>> Its tragedy for the country. $42 billion is $6000 per houshold?
>> Worth about 4000km of freeway, 10 teaching hospitals, a decent
>> hospice to for a dignified death.
>>
>> It seems for about 1.8 billion all current ADSL customers could be
>> guranteed 12Mbit, which means that most would then be be able to get
>> up to 100Mbit since this would be achieved by VDSL upgrades in stree
>> boxes (and now that VHDSL is available up to 250Mbit to 400m on
>> copper). Another 1.8 billion upgrades all the old exchanges and a
>> bit more gives 3G and 4G acess in country areas.
>>
>> Labour and its fanatic supporters really are out of control.
>>
>> 1 Screwed up solar photovolatic rebates. Sent thousands of dollars
>> overseas at expense of invesement
>> 2 Screwed up power generation in NSW, were about to get blackouts
>> and the nutters are talking about broadband!
>> We in NSW have inefficient peaking plant running all the time and are
>> buying power from Queensland and they are about to use up all their
>> own.
>> 3 Screwed up the home insulation scheme, much of the money went
>> overseas on foreigin insulation and foreigne workers.
>> 4 School halls that cost 2 times what they are worth.
>>
>> Can Labour do any worse to degrade the countries wealth.
>> Incompetence on a grand scale will produce poverty and unemployment.
>
> **********************************************
>
> The NBN money could solve housing shortages for everyone,
Nope.
> and that is the LAST thing our Lib/Lab quislings want.
You wouldnt know what a real quisling was if one bit you on you lard arse, child.
On Nov 28, 7:54*pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Eunometic wrote
>
> > Incompetence on a grand scale will produce poverty and unemployment.
>
> How odd that we actually have one of the lowest unemployment rates in theentire first world.
>
Labour have been in Government around 3 years. In that time they've
managed to more or less run the insulation scheme 9 billion and the
school halls program at what appears to be around 50% efficiency. IE
it cost almost twice as much to deliver as would be possible in a
competant environment. On top of that the rushed nature and large
load of work in one hit meant much foreign material and immigrant work
visa labour was used. In NSW $500 million was spent on compensation
for business loss and land loss for an urban railways network that was
never built, the buildings having been resumed and shut down just
before the program was abandoned. In NSW our electricity prices are
about to go through the roof for many reasons: one of which is the
photovoltaic rebate scheme which made German, US and Japanese
manufacturers rich, the other the 20% RETS scheme and another the
uncertainty over carbon taxes and CO2 trading. Labour really hate
CO2, we don't quite know how much so no one is investing. Even if
there is a price fixed it might change like the wind.
Australias good emplyment is related to financial prudence and
efficiency in expenditure. If you spend a billion dollar and get only
100km of road instead of 200km the coutnry will be poorer in the long
run.
As far as your statment that 'freeways aren't needed because we
already have them'. Any look at Sydney, Melbourn and now Brisban
traffic lets one know how moronic that is.
"Eunometic" <eunometic@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:b8588e6b-c735-4399-b665-98892b0dba6d@c17g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 28, 7:54 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Eunometic wrote
>
> > Incompetence on a grand scale will produce poverty and unemployment.
>
> How odd that we actually have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the entire first
> world.
>
Australias good emplyment is related to financial prudence and
efficiency in expenditure. If you spend a billion dollar and get only
100km of road instead of 200km the coutnry will be poorer in the long
run.
As far as your statment that 'freeways aren't needed because we
already have them'. Any look at Sydney, Melbourn and now Brisban
traffic lets one know how moronic that is.
---------------
That is cities, places whose main contribution is to open boxes.
What are these expensive freeways for? so people can drive long distances to work 5 days
a week in a packed bunch , serve each other coffee, water each others plants, prepare
meals, deliver them, shuffle papers, then drive back home in a bunch. Is facilitating that
really prudent spending?
Sure it is nice to go home each night, but is it worth the overhead?
On 28/11/2010 7:45 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Yep, but they do get to say whether Telstra can flog the copper
>>> >> network to the NBN and have them rip it out, when that means a
>>> >> monopoly is produced, ****wit child.
>> > Telstra can switch it off tomorrow, if they choose to, idiot
> No they cant. They have resold services on it and so cant do that, ****wit.
Sure, they cannot terminate services until the contract expires - but
they can cease provisioning new ones.
>
> And they have been forced by legislation to resell the copper network, ****wit.
>
Only applies if they use it for their own services. That requirement
evaporates when they themselves use the NBN. Lookit South Brisbane - and
get a brain.
On Nov 28, 9:49*pm, "i|||| | | || ||| || |||| 2.0" <i| || ||| |||||
|||||| 2.0> wrote:
> "Eunometic" <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:b8588e6b-c735-4399-b665-98892b0dba6d@c17g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 28, 7:54 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Eunometic wrote
>
> > > Incompetence on a grand scale will produce poverty and unemployment.
>
> > How odd that we actually have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the entire first
> > world.
>
> Australias good emplyment is related to financial prudence and
> efficiency in expenditure. *If you spend a billion dollar and get only
> 100km of road instead of 200km the coutnry will be poorer in the long
> run.
>
> As far as your statment that 'freeways aren't needed because we
> already have them'. *Any look at Sydney, Melbourn and now Brisban
> traffic lets one know how moronic that is.
>
> ---------------
>
> *That is cities, places whose main contribution is to open boxes.
>
> *What are these expensive freeways for? so people can drive long distances to work 5 days
> a week in a packed bunch , serve each other coffee, water each others plants, prepare
> meals, deliver them, shuffle papers, then drive back home in a bunch. Is facilitating that
> really prudent spending?
> * Sure it is nice to go home each night, but is it worth the overhead?
I suspect you probably don't have children and probably never will.
People have to travel great distances because the population has been
increased by immigration while the essentials such as employment
opportunties, good schools, etc have not. People have to travel
becuase specialisation forces them to travel to specialist companies
for work; you know wife is a specialist, husband another, live
together work in seperate parts of the city, children getting eduction
in different TAFE, universities,
If you want to live like a Victorian era British mill worker in a
company cottage attched to the factory wall, go ahead. That's where
the subsistance Green eco freaks want to go.
Freeways are actually very efficient, cheap for the traffic they
carry.
On Nov 28, 9:49*pm, "i|||| | | || ||| || |||| 2.0" <i| || ||| |||||
|||||| 2.0> wrote:
> "Eunometic" <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:b8588e6b-c735-4399-b665-98892b0dba6d@c17g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 28, 7:54 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Eunometic wrote
>
> > > Incompetence on a grand scale will produce poverty and unemployment.
>
> > How odd that we actually have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the entire first
> > world.
>
> Australias good emplyment is related to financial prudence and
> efficiency in expenditure. *If you spend a billion dollar and get only
> 100km of road instead of 200km the coutnry will be poorer in the long
> run.
>
> As far as your statment that 'freeways aren't needed because we
> already have them'. *Any look at Sydney, Melbourn and now Brisban
> traffic lets one know how moronic that is.
>
> ---------------
>
> *That is cities, places whose main contribution is to open boxes.
>
> *What are these expensive freeways for? so people can drive long distances to work 5 days
> a week in a packed bunch , serve each other coffee, water each others plants, prepare
> meals, deliver them, shuffle papers, then drive back home in a bunch. Is facilitating that
> really prudent spending?
> * Sure it is nice to go home each night, but is it worth the overhead?
I suspect you probably don't have family.
People have to travel great distances because the population has been
increased by immigration while the essentials such as employment
opportunties, good schools, etc have not. People have to travel
becuase specialisation forces them to travel to specialist companies
for work; you know wife is a specialist, husband another, live
together work in seperate parts of the city, children getting
eduction
in different TAFE, universities.
The problem is that what used to be fast trips are now getting longer,
its not just far flung suburbs.
If you want to live like a Victorian era British mill worker in a
company cottage attched to the factory wall, go ahead.
That's where the subsistance Green eco freaks want to go.
Freeways are actually very efficient, cheap for the traffic they
carry.
There is a lot to be said for subways and fast trains: another thing
that is an alternative to the NBN.
Eunometic wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Eunometic wrote
>>> Incompetence on a grand scale will produce poverty and unemployment.
>> How odd that we actually have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the entire first world.
> Labour have been in Government around 3 years. In that time
> they've managed to more or less run the insulation scheme 9
> billion and the school halls program at what appears to be
> around 50% efficiency. IE it cost almost twice as much to
> deliver as would be possible in a competant environment.
That number is straight from your arse, we can tell from the smell.
How odd that we actually have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the entire first world.
> On top of that the rushed nature and large load
> of work in one hit meant much foreign material
Thats a lie with all but the insulation program.
> and immigrant work visa labour was used.
Thats a lie too, **** all immigrant work visa labour was used.
> In NSW $500 million was spent on compensation for
> business loss and land loss for an urban railways network
> that was never built, the buildings having been resumed
> and shut down just before the program was abandoned.
Corse no coalition govt has ever done anything like that, eh ?
> In NSW our electricity prices are about to go through the roof
Another lie.
> for many reasons: one of which is the photovoltaic rebate scheme
> which made German, US and Japanese manufacturers rich,
Another lie.
> the other the 20% RETS scheme and another
> the uncertainty over carbon taxes and CO2 trading.
Corse no one like Turdbull ever supported anything like that, eh ?
> Labour really hate CO2, we don't quite know how much so no one is investing.
Another pig ignorant lie. The investment in mining has just
exceeded the rate during the height of the gold rush, fool.
> Even if there is a price fixed it might change like the wind.
> Australias good emplyment is related to financial prudence and efficiency in expenditure.
Nope, because we supply china.
> If you spend a billion dollar and get only 100km of road
> instead of 200km the coutnry will be poorer in the long run.
And we actually have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the entire first world ANYWAY.
> As far as your statment that 'freeways aren't needed because we already have them'.
I never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that.
That was someone else, fool.
> Any look at Sydney, Melbourn and now Brisbane traffic lets one know how moronic that is.
>>>>>> Yep, but they do get to say whether Telstra can flog the copper network to the NBN and have them rip it out, when
>>>>>> that means a monopoly is produced, ****wit child.
>>>> Telstra can switch it off tomorrow, if they choose to, idiot
>> No they cant. They have resold services on it and so cant do that, ****wit.
> Sure, they cannot terminate services until the contract expires
That contract doesnt expire, fool.
> - but they can cease provisioning new ones.
No they cant. The legislation requires that they must resell services on the copper network.
They have already been savagely fined for pretenting that they couldnt resell the copper network.
>> And they have been forced by legislation to resell the copper network, ****wit.
> Only applies if they use it for their own services.
Wrong, as always. That applys regardless of whether they use it themselves or not.
> That requirement evaporates when they themselves use the NBN.
Another pig ignorant lie.
And they wont stop using the NBN while ever they wont get $11B from the NBN for
the copper network because the ACCC and their own shareholders wont allow that.
Because they can flog DSL services over the copper network for much
less than they would have to pay wholesale for the use of the NBN,
because the copper network has already been paid for, long ago.
Even if the NBN is priced very attractively initially in an attempt
to attract customers, Telstra can still undercut that massively
with the copper network because its been paid for long ago.
> Lookit South Brisbane
Completely irrelevant to your pig ignorant lie.
> - and get a brain.
You wouldnt know what one of those was if one bit you on your lard arse.
Eunometic wrote
> i|||| | | || ||| || |||| 2.0" <i| || ||| ||||| 2.0> wrote
>> Eunometic <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Eunometic wrote
>>>>> Incompetence on a grand scale will produce poverty and unemployment.
>>>> How odd that we actually have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the entire first world.
>>> Australias good emplyment is related to financial prudence and
>>> efficiency in expenditure. If you spend a billion dollar and get only
>>> 100km of road instead of 200km the coutnry will be poorer in the long run.
>>> As far as your statment that 'freeways aren't needed because we
>>> already have them'. Any look at Sydney, Melbourn and now Brisban
>>> traffic lets one know how moronic that is.
>> That is cities, places whose main contribution is to open boxes.
>> What are these expensive freeways for? so people can drive long
>> distances to work 5 days a week in a packed bunch , serve each other
>> coffee, water each others plants, prepare meals, deliver them,
>> shuffle papers, then drive back home in a bunch. Is facilitating
>> that really prudent spending?
>> Sure it is nice to go home each night, but is it worth the overhead?
> I suspect you probably don't have children and probably never will.
Its obvious that you dont have a brain, and never will have either.
> People have to travel great distances because the population
> has been increased by immigration while the essentials such
> as employment opportunties, good schools, etc have not.
Thats a pig ignorant lie with employment opportunitys when the
unemployment rate has stayed at 5.x% with an immense immigration
rate, and the participation rate at an all time historic high.
> People have to travel becuase specialisation forces
> them to travel to specialist companies for work;
Nope, because they choose to 'live' where the houses are cheaper.
> you know wife is a specialist, husband another,
> live together work in seperate parts of the city,
But they dont have to live in the west when they both work in the city, stupid.
> children getting eduction in different TAFE, universities,
> If you want to live like a Victorian era British mill worker in
> a company cottage attched to the factory wall, go ahead.
> That's where the subsistance Green eco freaks want to go.
> Freeways are actually very efficient, cheap for the traffic they carry.
Yes, but working from home so you dont have to travel
at all is much more efficient and much cheaper again.
Eunometic wrote:
> On Nov 28, 9:49 pm, "i|||| | | || ||| || |||| 2.0" <i| || ||| |||||
>>>>>>> 2.0> wrote:
>> "Eunometic" <eunome...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>> news:b8588e6b-c735-4399-b665-98892b0dba6d@c17g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 28, 7:54 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Eunometic wrote
>>
>>>> Incompetence on a grand scale will produce poverty and
>>>> unemployment.
>>
>>> How odd that we actually have one of the lowest unemployment rates
>>> in the entire first world.
>>
>> Australias good emplyment is related to financial prudence and
>> efficiency in expenditure. If you spend a billion dollar and get only
>> 100km of road instead of 200km the coutnry will be poorer in the long
>> run.
>>
>> As far as your statment that 'freeways aren't needed because we
>> already have them'. Any look at Sydney, Melbourn and now Brisban
>> traffic lets one know how moronic that is.
>>
>> ---------------
>>
>> That is cities, places whose main contribution is to open boxes.
>>
>> What are these expensive freeways for? so people can drive long
>> distances to work 5 days a week in a packed bunch , serve each other
>> coffee, water each others plants, prepare meals, deliver them,
>> shuffle papers, then drive back home in a bunch. Is facilitating
>> that really prudent spending?
>> Sure it is nice to go home each night, but is it worth the overhead?
>
> I suspect you probably don't have family.
>
> People have to travel great distances because the population has been
> increased by immigration while the essentials such as employment
> opportunties, good schools, etc have not. People have to travel
> becuase specialisation forces them to travel to specialist companies
> for work; you know wife is a specialist, husband another, live
> together work in seperate parts of the city, children getting
> eduction
> in different TAFE, universities.
>
> The problem is that what used to be fast trips are now getting longer,
> its not just far flung suburbs.
>
>
> If you want to live like a Victorian era British mill worker in a
> company cottage attched to the factory wall, go ahead.
>
> That's where the subsistance Green eco freaks want to go.
>
>
> Freeways are actually very efficient, cheap for the traffic they
> carry.
>
> There is a lot to be said for subways and fast trains: another thing
> that is an alternative to the NBN.
There is even more to be said for working from home so you dont
have to tear from one side of the city to the other twice a day.
Corse you dont need an NBN for that, the current broadband does that fine.
On Nov 29, 6:06*am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Eunometic wrote
>
SNIP
>
> > People have to travel great distances because the population
> > has been increased by immigration while the essentials such
> > as employment opportunties, good schools, etc have not.
>
> Thats a pig ignorant lie with employment opportunitys when the
> unemployment rate has stayed at 5.x% with an immense immigration
> rate, and the participation rate at an all time historic high.
You're clearly too STUPID to read and or comprehend the sentence that
you are replying to before you respond because its irrelevant.
If you count 1 hour of work per week as 'participation rate' and if
you count the fact that both partners now have to work to service
mortgage debts and child minding as an 'achievement' then your brain
is fried.
>
> > People have to travel becuase specialisation forces
> > them to travel to specialist companies for work;
>
> Nope, because they choose to 'live' where the houses are cheaper.
>
> > you know wife is a specialist, husband another,
> > live together work in seperate parts of the city,
>
> But they dont have to live in the west when they both work in the city, stupid.
So both partenr are supposed to engineer a job in the CBD, in say
Phillip streat, walking distance from Wynyard.
You're ****ing mentally diseased as well as a nasty turd.
eunometic@yahoo.com.au wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Eunometic wrote
>>> People have to travel great distances because the population
>>> has been increased by immigration while the essentials such
>>> as employment opportunties, good schools, etc have not.
>> Thats a pig ignorant lie with employment opportunitys when the
>> unemployment rate has stayed at 5.x% with an immense immigration
>> rate, and the participation rate at an all time historic high.
> You're clearly too STUPID to read and or comprehend the sentence
> that you are replying to before you respond because its irrelevant.
You never ever could ******** your way out of a wet paper bag.
> If you count 1 hour of work per week as 'participation rate'
Nope, the participation rate is something entirely different, ****wit.
> and if you count the fact that both partners now have
> to work to service mortgage debts and child minding
Just another bare faced pig ignorant lie. Hordes I know dont.
> as an 'achievement' then your brain is fried.
Yours always was ear to ear dog ****.
>>> People have to travel becuase specialisation forces
>>> them to travel to specialist companies for work;
>> Nope, because they choose to 'live' where the houses are cheaper.
>>> you know wife is a specialist, husband another,
>>> live together work in seperate parts of the city,
>> But they dont have to live in the west when they both work in the city, stupid.
> So both partenr are supposed to engineer a job in the
> CBD, in say Phillip streat, walking distance from Wynyard.
You never ever could ******** your way out of a wet paper bag.
Hordes dont live anywhere near walking distance from Wynard, ****wit.
> You're ****ing mentally diseased as well as a nasty turd.
You never ever could ******** your way out of a wet paper bag.
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