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Old 08-15-2007, 03:44 PM
Jolly Joker
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Default Dual SIM connector

Hi to everybody!
Where can I buy a dual SIM connector (a hopefully general one,
mandatorily "NO CUT")?
Thanks!
A.


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Old 08-15-2007, 06:11 PM
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Default Re: Dual SIM connector

On 15 Aug, 16:44, Jolly Joker <bamb...@ozu.es> wrote:
> Hi to everybody!
> Where can I buy a dual SIM connector (a hopefully general one,
> mandatorily "NO CUT")?
> Thanks!
> A.


there are hundreds on ebay, usually from hong kong


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Old 08-16-2007, 02:31 AM
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Default Re: Dual SIM connector

>there are hundreds on ebay, usually from hong kong

and they don't work !



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Old 08-17-2007, 03:50 AM
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Default Re: Dual SIM connector

Hi
Yes they are on E-bay but be aware they don't work with 3G sim cards,
but they will work with a 3G phone with 2G cards in it.
Mine works perfectly.
BB



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Old 08-17-2007, 04:21 AM
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Default Re: Dual SIM connector

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:50:24 +1000, "Gaz" <garpin1959@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>Hi
> Yes they are on E-bay but be aware they don't work with 3G sim cards,
>but they will work with a 3G phone with 2G cards in it.
>Mine works perfectly.


Is there such a thing as a 3G SIM card?

I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?

Chris

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Old 08-17-2007, 04:32 AM
BORG
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Default Re: Dual SIM connector

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:21:16 +0800, Chris Blunt wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:50:24 +1000, "Gaz" <garpin1959@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi
>> Yes they are on E-bay but be aware they don't work with 3G sim cards,
>>but they will work with a 3G phone with 2G cards in it.
>>Mine works perfectly.

>
> Is there such a thing as a 3G SIM card?
>
> I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
> When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
> it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
> have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?
>
> Chris


Yes

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Old 08-17-2007, 11:28 AM
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"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:50:24 +1000, "Gaz" <garpin1959@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi
>> Yes they are on E-bay but be aware they don't work with 3G sim cards,
>>but they will work with a 3G phone with 2G cards in it.
>>Mine works perfectly.

>
> Is there such a thing as a 3G SIM card?


Yes. It's called USIM.

> I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
> When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
> it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
> have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?


Yes, all the 3G ones

>
> Chris




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Old 08-17-2007, 12:03 PM
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"Michael J" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:UDfxi.22015$4A1.18670@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
> news:6b8ac3dkcgem98esfr6cha2k6o1qoju2gl@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:50:24 +1000, "Gaz" <garpin1959@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi
>>> Yes they are on E-bay but be aware they don't work with 3G sim
>>> cards,
>>>but they will work with a 3G phone with 2G cards in it.
>>>Mine works perfectly.

>>
>> Is there such a thing as a 3G SIM card?

>
> Yes. It's called USIM.
>
>> I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
>> When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
>> it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
>> have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?

>
> Yes, all the 3G ones


Only on 3, Orange and o2, who require a special SIM card called a USIM to
access 3G services. Voda allow access to 3G services from a normal SIM card.

Benedict.



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Old 08-17-2007, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: Dual SIM connector

On Aug 17, 10:03 pm, "Benedict Addis" <n...@theale.uk> wrote:
> "Michael J" <mich...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:UDfxi.22015$4A1.18670@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Chris Blunt" <chris_bl...@spamfence.net> wrote in message
> >news:6b8ac3dkcgem98esfr6cha2k6o1qoju2gl@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:50:24 +1000, "Gaz" <garpin1...@yahoo.com.au>
> >> wrote:

>
> >>>Hi
> >>> Yes they are on E-bay but be aware they don't work with 3G sim
> >>> cards,
> >>>but they will work with a 3G phone with 2G cards in it.
> >>>Mine works perfectly.

>
> >> Is there such a thing as a 3G SIM card?

>
> > Yes. It's called USIM.

>
> >> I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
> >> When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
> >> it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
> >> have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?

>
> > Yes, all the 3G ones

>
> Only on 3, Orange and o2, who require a special SIM card called a USIM to
> access 3G services. Voda allow access to 3G services from a normal SIM card.
>

Voda's SIM needs to be less than about two years old to handle 3G. If
you are on Voda check their Support. The forgotten the number it has
to be higher is 89610300000734 and last time I spoke to them it
pretty much encompassed most of their new cards since they introduced
2.5G from memory. Sounds like yours may not handle 3G. Should be able
to swap and upgrade for free as most telcos will count on you using 3G
services like video calling for which they can charge you more.


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Old 08-17-2007, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: Dual SIM connector

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:28:52 GMT, "Michael J" <michael@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
>news:6b8ac3dkcgem98esfr6cha2k6o1qoju2gl@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:50:24 +1000, "Gaz" <garpin1959@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi
>>> Yes they are on E-bay but be aware they don't work with 3G sim cards,
>>>but they will work with a 3G phone with 2G cards in it.
>>>Mine works perfectly.

>>
>> Is there such a thing as a 3G SIM card?

>
>Yes. It's called USIM.
>
>> I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
>> When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
>> it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
>> have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?

>
>Yes, all the 3G ones


Can you say specifically which ones? I haven't found anything I can't
do with my old SIM card yet. High-speed data, video calls etc all work
fine. What am I missing out on?

Chris

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Old 08-17-2007, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: Dual SIM connector



Chris Blunt wrote:
>>>I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
>>>When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
>>>it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
>>>have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?

>>
>>Yes, all the 3G ones

>
>
> Can you say specifically which ones? I haven't found anything I can't
> do with my old SIM card yet. High-speed data, video calls etc all work
> fine. What am I missing out on?
>
> Chris

That sounds interesting... Did you have to cut the SIM? Where have you
bought it?


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Old 08-17-2007, 05:05 PM
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--

"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
news:0t9bc395u165lokb1rl9e72hp56u6n6hkg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:28:52 GMT, "Michael J" <michael@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
>>news:6b8ac3dkcgem98esfr6cha2k6o1qoju2gl@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:50:24 +1000, "Gaz" <garpin1959@yahoo.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>> Yes they are on E-bay but be aware they don't work with 3G sim
>>>> cards,
>>>>but they will work with a 3G phone with 2G cards in it.
>>>>Mine works perfectly.
>>>
>>> Is there such a thing as a 3G SIM card?

>>
>>Yes. It's called USIM.
>>
>>> I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
>>> When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
>>> it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
>>> have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?

>>
>>Yes, all the 3G ones

>
> Can you say specifically which ones? I haven't found anything I can't
> do with my old SIM card yet. High-speed data, video calls etc all work
> fine. What am I missing out on?
>
> Chris


Chris,

The confusion here comes from the different ways each network uses the SIM
or USIM.

From a design point of view the USIM is just a SIM with the first byte in
every message changed so that future designs may allow a USIM card to be on
the same card as a loyalty card. I think that this is unlikely ever to
happen.

There have also been minor enhancements to the files on the USIM that allow
more functionality on it compared to the SIM. The most noticable of these
is a set of files that allow a complex phone book to be on the SIM (has
number groups, email addresses multiple numbers for the same contact). The
downside of this is that most SIM phonebook management programs do not work
with a USIM. (You are unlikely to be missing out on this functionality as
most phones have their own comprehensive phonebook).

The services you mention are network services (not SIM services) so work
equally well with a SIM or a USIM - but only if your network allows this.

As other posters have said 3, Orange and O2 arbitarily block the use of 3G
services for customers using a SIM while Vodafone and T-Mobile allow all 3G
services for customers using a SIM.

It is possible to have a SIM card that is both a SIM and a USIM. Networks
like Vodafone issue these cards to be compatible with the widest range of
handsets posible. This also means that most SIM phone book tools still work
too.
An earlier poster suggested that 3G services were only allowed on later
Vodafone SIMs. This is not strictly true. This is an issue with Voltage
compatibility. Early SIMs were issued when the standards only allowed for a
5 Volt SIM interface. 5 or so years ago 3 Volt SIM interface was added.
New handsets only support the 3 Volt interface so the old 5 Volt cards will
not work in these handsets.

There will be a significant change in SIM and USIM cards in about 2 years
time as the standards bodies have just agreed to make them USB compatible
and are in the process of agreeing simmilar contactless interfaces to the
ones used by London Underground and banks.

Hope this helps,
Bet



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Old 08-18-2007, 05:22 AM
Chris Blunt
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:05:21 GMT, "bet no one"
<do.not.email@answer.in.the.newsgroup> wrote:

>
>
>--
>
>"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
>news:0t9bc395u165lokb1rl9e72hp56u6n6hkg@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:28:52 GMT, "Michael J" <michael@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
>>>news:6b8ac3dkcgem98esfr6cha2k6o1qoju2gl@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:50:24 +1000, "Gaz" <garpin1959@yahoo.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi
>>>>> Yes they are on E-bay but be aware they don't work with 3G sim
>>>>> cards,
>>>>>but they will work with a 3G phone with 2G cards in it.
>>>>>Mine works perfectly.
>>>>
>>>> Is there such a thing as a 3G SIM card?
>>>
>>>Yes. It's called USIM.
>>>
>>>> I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
>>>> When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
>>>> it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
>>>> have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?
>>>
>>>Yes, all the 3G ones

>>
>> Can you say specifically which ones? I haven't found anything I can't
>> do with my old SIM card yet. High-speed data, video calls etc all work
>> fine. What am I missing out on?
>>
>> Chris

>
>Chris,
>
>The confusion here comes from the different ways each network uses the SIM
>or USIM.
>
>From a design point of view the USIM is just a SIM with the first byte in
>every message changed so that future designs may allow a USIM card to be on
>the same card as a loyalty card. I think that this is unlikely ever to
>happen.
>
>There have also been minor enhancements to the files on the USIM that allow
>more functionality on it compared to the SIM. The most noticable of these
>is a set of files that allow a complex phone book to be on the SIM (has
>number groups, email addresses multiple numbers for the same contact). The
>downside of this is that most SIM phonebook management programs do not work
>with a USIM. (You are unlikely to be missing out on this functionality as
>most phones have their own comprehensive phonebook).
>
>The services you mention are network services (not SIM services) so work
>equally well with a SIM or a USIM - but only if your network allows this.
>
>As other posters have said 3, Orange and O2 arbitarily block the use of 3G
>services for customers using a SIM while Vodafone and T-Mobile allow all 3G
>services for customers using a SIM.
>
>It is possible to have a SIM card that is both a SIM and a USIM. Networks
>like Vodafone issue these cards to be compatible with the widest range of
>handsets posible. This also means that most SIM phone book tools still work
>too.
>An earlier poster suggested that 3G services were only allowed on later
>Vodafone SIMs. This is not strictly true. This is an issue with Voltage
>compatibility. Early SIMs were issued when the standards only allowed for a
>5 Volt SIM interface. 5 or so years ago 3 Volt SIM interface was added.
>New handsets only support the 3 Volt interface so the old 5 Volt cards will
>not work in these handsets.
>
>There will be a significant change in SIM and USIM cards in about 2 years
>time as the standards bodies have just agreed to make them USB compatible
>and are in the process of agreeing simmilar contactless interfaces to the
>ones used by London Underground and banks.
>
>Hope this helps,



Thanks for the detailed explanation.

Chris

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Old 08-18-2007, 05:22 AM
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:48:56 GMT, Jolly Joker <bambi13@ozu.es> wrote:

>
>
>Chris Blunt wrote:
>>>>I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
>>>>When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
>>>>it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
>>>>have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?
>>>
>>>Yes, all the 3G ones

>>
>>
>> Can you say specifically which ones? I haven't found anything I can't
>> do with my old SIM card yet. High-speed data, video calls etc all work
>> fine. What am I missing out on?
>>
>> Chris

>That sounds interesting... Did you have to cut the SIM? Where have you
>bought it?


Its a normal postpaid SIM card issued by Globe Telecom in the
Philippines. I'm not sure what you mean about cutting the SIM.

Chris

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Old 08-19-2007, 01:08 PM
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In article <mf0dc3l4hfup96oo539jr8f2kv6475d9ut@4ax.com>,
Chris Blunt <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:48:56 GMT, Jolly Joker <bambi13@ozu.es> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Chris Blunt wrote:
>>>>>I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
>>>>>When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
>>>>>it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
>>>>>have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, all the 3G ones
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you say specifically which ones? I haven't found anything I can't
>>> do with my old SIM card yet. High-speed data, video calls etc all work
>>> fine. What am I missing out on?
>>>
>>> Chris

>>That sounds interesting... Did you have to cut the SIM? Where have you
>>bought it?

>
>Its a normal postpaid SIM card issued by Globe Telecom in the
>Philippines. I'm not sure what you mean about cutting the SIM.


Fitting two SIM plus an adaptor into a space inside the phone designed to
hold only a SIM plus battery is an engineering challenge.

The approach some dual-SIM adaptors take is to make the device the size of
the SIM card itself. To fit your original two SIM cards into it, you must
trim them using a scissor, retaining essentially just the area where the
gold contacts are. These cards usually provide templates to guide you. The
procedure is not with out risk, but has, apparently, worked for thousands
of people.



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Old 08-20-2007, 09:57 AM
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"Benedict Addis" <news@theale.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael J" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:UDfxi.22015$4A1.18670@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
>> news:6b8ac3dkcgem98esfr6cha2k6o1qoju2gl@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:50:24 +1000, "Gaz" <garpin1959@yahoo.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>> Yes they are on E-bay but be aware they don't work with 3G sim
>>>> cards,
>>>>but they will work with a 3G phone with 2G cards in it.
>>>>Mine works perfectly.
>>>
>>> Is there such a thing as a 3G SIM card?

>>
>> Yes. It's called USIM.
>>
>>> I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
>>> When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
>>> it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
>>> have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?

>>
>> Yes, all the 3G ones

>
> Only on 3, Orange and o2, who require a special SIM card called a USIM to
> access 3G services. Voda allow access to 3G services from a normal SIM
> card.


Which means "all" their "normal" SIM cards are USIMs



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Old 08-20-2007, 09:57 AM
Michael J
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"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
news:0t9bc395u165lokb1rl9e72hp56u6n6hkg@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:28:52 GMT, "Michael J" <michael@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
>>news:6b8ac3dkcgem98esfr6cha2k6o1qoju2gl@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:50:24 +1000, "Gaz" <garpin1959@yahoo.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>> Yes they are on E-bay but be aware they don't work with 3G sim
>>>> cards,
>>>>but they will work with a 3G phone with 2G cards in it.
>>>>Mine works perfectly.
>>>
>>> Is there such a thing as a 3G SIM card?

>>
>>Yes. It's called USIM.
>>
>>> I've been using the same SIM card for many years in various 2G phones.
>>> When I recently bought a 3G phone I just put my existing SIM in it and
>>> it works fine. Are there some functions I'm missing because I don't
>>> have a 3G SIM card, whatever that is?

>>
>>Yes, all the 3G ones

>
> Can you say specifically which ones? I haven't found anything I can't
> do with my old SIM card yet. High-speed data, video calls etc all work
> fine. What am I missing out on?


If you can make video calls then you are a 3G customer using a 3G SIM
already
>
> Chris




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Old 08-20-2007, 10:07 AM
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On 20/08/2007 10:57, Michael J wrote:

> "Benedict Addis" <news@theale.uk> wrote:
>
>> Voda allow access to 3G services from a normal SIM card.

>
> Which means "all" their "normal" SIM cards are USIMs


Or to be correct, their (physical) UICC contains a (logical) USIM.

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