Telstra has flung a new challenge to the Howard Government - now in
caretaker mode - declaring its Next G network has now achieved the same or
better coverage as the CDMA network - and stating it is "on track" to close
the CDMA network on January 28.
But the Big T faces the obstacle of a condition imposed on its CDMA licence
by Attorney-General Philip Ruddock which prevent a switch-off before the
Government is satisfied with Next G coverage.
The Government is relying not on Telstra's word, but on an independent
survey by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) to
determine if Next G coverage meets CDMA levels.
Telstra yesterday declared extensive testing conducted by its own teams with
strategic partner Ericsson had already shown the Next G network is "bigger,
better and faster than CDMA...
> Telstra has flung a new challenge to the Howard Government
Nope, just shot is feet completely off, again.
> - now in caretaker mode - declaring its Next G network has now achieved the same or better coverage as the CDMA
> network -
Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.
> and stating it is "on track" to close the CDMA network on January 28.
And we will see if the independant referee agrees.
> But the Big T faces the obstacle of a condition imposed on its CDMA
> licence by Attorney-General Philip Ruddock which prevent a switch-off
> before the Government is satisfied with Next G coverage.
And if the govt has a clue, it will prevent telstra from ever turning the cdma system off too.
> The Government is relying not on Telstra's word, but on an independent
> survey by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) to determine if Next G coverage meets CDMA levels.
And three guesses if they will agree with telstra.
> Telstra yesterday declared extensive testing conducted by its own teams with strategic partner Ericsson had already
> shown the Next G network is "bigger, better and faster than CDMA...
And we will see if the independant referee agrees.
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:20:57 GMT in aus.comms.mobile Alan Parkington may have written:
> Telstra yesterday declared extensive testing conducted by its own
> teams with strategic partner Ericsson had already shown the Next G
> network is "bigger, better and faster than CDMA...
But does it cover all of the footprint currently provided by CDMA?
I bet they're shitting themselves... (with laughter)
> - now in
> caretaker mode - declaring its Next G network has now achieved the same
> or better coverage as the CDMA network - and stating it is "on track" to
> close the CDMA network on January 28.
Of course it's on track - on autopilot, more like.
> But the Big T faces the obstacle of a condition imposed on its CDMA
> licence by Attorney-General Philip Ruddock which prevent a switch-off
> before the Government is satisfied with Next G coverage.
Because the government realise that the tel$cum bosses are a bunch of
lying morons.
> The Government is relying not on Telstra's word, but on an independent
> survey by the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) to
> determine if Next G coverage meets CDMA levels.
Which it won't.
> Telstra yesterday declared extensive testing conducted by its own teams
> with strategic partner Ericsson had already shown the Next G network is
> "bigger, better and faster than CDMA...
In other words, the profits are bigger and better and flowing in faster
than they did with CDMA.
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:53:05 +0000, Paul Day wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:20:57 GMT in aus.comms.mobile Alan Parkington may
> have written:
>> Telstra yesterday declared extensive testing conducted by its own teams
>> with strategic partner Ericsson had already shown the Next G network is
>> "bigger, better and faster than CDMA...
>
> But does it cover all of the footprint currently provided by CDMA?
Of course not! But the profits are bigger, better and flowing in faster
than CDMA - so who cares?
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:53:05 -0000, Paul Day <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:20:57 GMT in aus.comms.mobile Alan Parkington may have written:
>> Telstra yesterday declared extensive testing conducted by its own
>> teams with strategic partner Ericsson had already shown the Next G
>> network is "bigger, better and faster than CDMA...
>
>But does it cover all of the footprint currently provided by CDMA?
That's a trick question. With the "robbing" of CDMA coverage (via bandwidth)
Tel$tra have downgraded CDMA in a number of areas to the point where 3G just
might match CDMA_NOW
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
watch the birdie wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:53:05 -0000, Paul Day <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:20:57 GMT in aus.comms.mobile Alan Parkington may have written:
>>> Telstra yesterday declared extensive testing conducted by its own
>>> teams with strategic partner Ericsson had already shown the Next G
>>> network is "bigger, better and faster than CDMA...
>> But does it cover all of the footprint currently provided by CDMA?
>
> That's a trick question. With the "robbing" of CDMA coverage (via bandwidth)
> Tel$tra have downgraded CDMA
in a number of areas to the point where 3G just
> might match CDMA_NOW
That's ribbish, I'm sick of hearing it. Next-G coverage matches CDMA,
it's only the crappy Next G handsets which are impeding coverage.
For Telstra to shutdown CDMA they need to make sure they can supply
reasonable C-grade handsets to consumers. That's all that is hindering
the closure of CDMA.
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
> For Telstra to shutdown CDMA they need to make sure they can supply
> reasonable C-grade handsets to consumers. That's all that is hindering
> the closure of CDMA.
The real problem is that they force the crappy handsets down your throat
(LG, ZTE etc) and make it hard (and expensive) to get the good handsets
like the Motorola V6 MAXX and the Motorola V3xx and whatever that Nokia one is.
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
"Jonathan Wilson" <jfwfreo@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message
news:4718ab5a$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> For Telstra to shutdown CDMA they need to make sure they can supply
>> reasonable C-grade handsets to consumers. That's all that is hindering
>> the closure of CDMA.
> The real problem is that they force the crappy handsets down your throat
> (LG, ZTE etc) and make it hard (and expensive) to get the good handsets
> like the Motorola V6 MAXX and the Motorola V3xx and whatever that Nokia
> one is.
NEXT-g Nokia and Motorolas don't get the blue tick so you are in fact just
waffling on with bullshit
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
Alice wrote:
> bill wrote:
>
>> That's ribbish, I'm sick of hearing it.
> So put some earmuffs on.
>
> Next-G coverage matches CDMA,
>
> I know at least three areas where NextG coverage does not match
> CDMA.Period.
>
How are you measuring that when there is no handset that can do both.
Most Next G handsets can access the GSM network but there's no CDMA
compatibility.
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
"bill" <someone@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:ffc89j$21gi$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> Alice wrote:
>> bill wrote:
>>
>>> That's ribbish, I'm sick of hearing it.
>> So put some earmuffs on.
>>
>> Next-G coverage matches CDMA,
>>
>> I know at least three areas where NextG coverage does not match
>> CDMA.Period.
>>
>
> How are you measuring that when there is no handset that can do both.
Not too difficult to carry 2 handsets........
> Most Next G handsets can access the GSM network but there's no CDMA
> compatibility.
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
Kwyjibo wrote:
> "bill" <someone@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> news:ffc89j$21gi$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>> Alice wrote:
>>> bill wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's ribbish, I'm sick of hearing it.
>>> So put some earmuffs on.
>>>
>>> Next-G coverage matches CDMA,
>>>
>>> I know at least three areas where NextG coverage does not match
>>> CDMA.Period.
>>>
>> How are you measuring that when there is no handset that can do both.
>
> Not too difficult to carry 2 handsets........
Different handsets will have different results no matter what network
they're on.
>
>> Most Next G handsets can access the GSM network but there's no CDMA
>> compatibility.
>
> What's that got to do with it?
>
The fact that you need one handset to test coverage. You can easily
compare Next G and GSM from the one handset but not CDMA and Next G.
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
"bill" <someone@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
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> Kwyjibo wrote:
>> "bill" <someone@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:ffc89j$21gi$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>> Alice wrote:
>>>> bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's ribbish, I'm sick of hearing it.
>>>> So put some earmuffs on.
>>>>
>>>> Next-G coverage matches CDMA,
>>>>
>>>> I know at least three areas where NextG coverage does not match
>>>> CDMA.Period.
>>>>
>>> How are you measuring that when there is no handset that can do both.
>>
>> Not too difficult to carry 2 handsets........
>
> Different handsets will have different results no matter what network
> they're on.
So would a single handset that operates in both modes.
>
>>
>>> Most Next G handsets can access the GSM network but there's no CDMA
>>> compatibility.
>>
>> What's that got to do with it?
>>
>
> The fact that you need one handset to test coverage.
Bullshit.
> You can easily compare Next G and GSM from the one handset
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
"Paul Day" <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote in message
news:1192773185.335654@colossus.enigma.id.au...
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:20:57 GMT in aus.comms.mobile Alan Parkington may
> have written:
>> Telstra yesterday declared extensive testing conducted by its own
>> teams with strategic partner Ericsson had already shown the Next G
>> network is "bigger, better and faster than CDMA...
>
> But does it cover all of the footprint currently provided by CDMA?
Nope, in the same fashion that CDMA never covered every square inch that
AMPS did, and that GSM never covered every square inch that AMPS did
>
> PD
>
> --
> Paul Day
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
"watch the birdie" <not_Parko@telscum.net> wrote in message
news:lg7hh3ld38lidh1ja4kl93nigu76534dle@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:53:05 -0000, Paul Day <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:20:57 GMT in aus.comms.mobile Alan Parkington may
>>have written:
>>> Telstra yesterday declared extensive testing conducted by its own
>>> teams with strategic partner Ericsson had already shown the Next G
>>> network is "bigger, better and faster than CDMA...
>>
>>But does it cover all of the footprint currently provided by CDMA?
>
> That's a trick question. With the "robbing" of CDMA coverage (via
> bandwidth)
> Tel$tra have downgraded CDMA in a number of areas to the point where 3G
> just
> might match CDMA_NOW
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
"Jonathan Wilson" <jfwfreo@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message
news:4718ab5a$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> For Telstra to shutdown CDMA they need to make sure they can supply
>> reasonable C-grade handsets to consumers. That's all that is hindering
>> the closure of CDMA.
> The real problem is that they force the crappy handsets down your throat
> (LG, ZTE etc) and make it hard (and expensive) to get the good handsets
> like the Motorola V6 MAXX and the Motorola V3xx and whatever that Nokia
> one is.
No one forces your hand into which handset you choose to buy
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
"Alice" <e@shitanddie.com> wrote in message
news:471982e3$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> bill wrote:
>
>> That's ribbish, I'm sick of hearing it.
> So put some earmuffs on.
>
> Next-G coverage matches CDMA,
>
> I know at least three areas where NextG coverage does not match
> CDMA.Period.
No one ever claimed that "NextG would cover every area that CDMA does"
>
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Alice" <e@shitanddie.com> wrote in message
> news:471982e3$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> bill wrote:
>>
>>> That's ribbish, I'm sick of hearing it.
>> So put some earmuffs on.
>>
>> Next-G coverage matches CDMA,
>>
>> I know at least three areas where NextG coverage does not match
>> CDMA.Period.
>
> No one ever claimed that "NextG would cover every area that CDMA does"
Telstra did, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Paul Day" <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote in message
> news:1192773185.335654@colossus.enigma.id.au...
>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:20:57 GMT in aus.comms.mobile Alan Parkington
>> may have written:
>>> Telstra yesterday declared extensive testing conducted by its own
>>> teams with strategic partner Ericsson had already shown the Next G
>>> network is "bigger, better and faster than CDMA...
>>
>> But does it cover all of the footprint currently provided by CDMA?
>
> Nope, in the same fashion that CDMA never covered every square inch
> that AMPS did, and that GSM never covered every square inch that AMPS
> did
Pity that telstra never claimed those would, but did claim that NextG would.
And now the govt is gunna hold them to that, you watch.
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Alice" <e@shitanddie.com> wrote in message
>> news:471982e3$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>> bill wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's ribbish, I'm sick of hearing it.
>>> So put some earmuffs on.
>>>
>>> Next-G coverage matches CDMA,
>>>
>>> I know at least three areas where NextG coverage does not match
>>> CDMA.Period.
>>
>> No one ever claimed that "NextG would cover every area that CDMA does"
>
> Telstra did, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
Quote Telstra's words, thanks.
And "NextG coverage equivalent to", does not guarantee the same coverage in
every inch of Australia
Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon are equivalent to each other, but that
doesnt mean they are identical in every way
>
>
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jonathan Wilson" <jfwfreo@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4718ab5a$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>> For Telstra to shutdown CDMA they need to make sure they can supply
>>> reasonable C-grade handsets to consumers. That's all that is hindering
>>> the closure of CDMA.
>> The real problem is that they force the crappy handsets down your throat
>> (LG, ZTE etc) and make it hard (and expensive) to get the good handsets
>> like the Motorola V6 MAXX and the Motorola V3xx and whatever that Nokia
>> one is.
>
> No one forces your hand into which handset you choose to buy
Yes they do, due to Telstra's overpriced Brightstar handsets
Re: Government Told Telstra CDMA Network Will Be Closed Down
Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5oj1b2Fmh9bqU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> "Alice" <e@shitanddie.com> wrote in message
>>> news:471982e3$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>>>> bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's ribbish, I'm sick of hearing it.
>>>> So put some earmuffs on.
>>>>
>>>> Next-G coverage matches CDMA,
>>>>
>>>> I know at least three areas where NextG coverage does not match
>>>> CDMA.Period.
>>>
>>> No one ever claimed that "NextG would cover every area that CDMA does"
>> Telstra did, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
> Quote Telstra's words, thanks.
They've already been quoted, repeatedly, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
> And "NextG coverage equivalent to",
That aint the only words that telstra has used, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
> does not guarantee the same coverage in every inch of Australia
Pity they did anyway, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
> Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon are equivalent to each other, but that doesnt mean they are identical in every way
Irrelevant to what telstra claimed about NextG, you stupid dunny cleaning fuckwit child.
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