Well my trusty Nokia N95 screen cracked today, the last decent phone
that Nokia ever released, and I have sworn off ever going near that
bunch of arrogant losers ever again.
So... I don't want an iPhone - because everyone has one. So Android
looks like a good option - what's it like?
It seems in Australia at the moment there really is not much choice for
a decent device apart from an iPhone? The Nexus has not been released,
Nokia are crap, and Telstra has tied up the HTC Passion / Desire?
On 28/02/2010 4:30 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>I love Nokia, Nokia forever.
Can you give some specifics? Why is Nokia by default better than any
other phone and why is Android crap?
I don't want Nokia, period, so that's out of the question (Symbian is
outdated and Nokia are arrogant and developers hate Symbian - they've
all gone to the iPhone platform because they can actually make money off
that and people actually want to use it)
I would get an iPhone but I don't like to be told what to do - I'm sure
they're great devices but I just don't want one.
So do any (non Nokia fans) here have any solid experience with Android?
BTW I didn't sit on my N95 - it is three years old and has travelled
extremely well. I think I have been patient enough for the last year
and half waiting for Nokia to get off their arse and release something
worth buying, that isn't over priced and buggy - and that actually
interests developers. I know the N900 is coming to Australia but in
typical Nokia fashion, from announcement through endless delays and
hiccups to final 'release' it's obsolete before being available. The N97
was a classic example, I sat on the forums for well over 6 months
waiting for it, was warned not to get it by developers, was delayed
endlessly, and then the price was announce (big disappointment) and the
bug reports flooded in and Nokia just pranced around like arrogant ******s.
So NO I do NOT want a Nokia, I have lost all faith in that brand. The
N95 was great for it's time, but that was last decade and it's time for
something new.
> The iphone has some real downsides compared with Nokias.
Please explain. So far I know of none, except VoIP was restricted but
even Nokia restricted that in their later phones so there went the only
advantage.
> Another Nokia, an N95 if you dont like the alternative Nokias.
If I was a die-hard Nokia fan like you, then this would be an option.
But I am not blinded by brand loyalty. I just want something that's
good value, feature rich, modern, and not embarrassing to be seen with.
Well that pretty much excludes all post-N95 Nokia phones.
>I know the N900 is coming to Australia but in
>typical Nokia fashion, from announcement through endless delays and
>hiccups to final 'release' it's obsolete before being available.
Nokia told me directly that the N900 won't be released in Australia.
However we can buy them through at least a couple of importers. And the
price last I checked seems to be quite similar to N97.
On 28/02/2010 5:16 PM, Nick Andrew wrote:
> Nokia told me directly that the N900 won't be released in Australia.
>
> However we can buy them through at least a couple of importers. And the
> price last I checked seems to be quite similar to N97.
>
> Nick.
I got the same but not the end of the world considering no developers
will be interested in Maemo anyway, and that Android is also Linux based
but developers actually want to develop for it.
> Can you give some specifics? Why is Nokia by default better than any other phone
Never said that either.
> and why is Android crap?
It doesnt do the job as well as some nokias.
> I don't want Nokia, period, so that's out of the question
Your problem.
> (Symbian is outdated and Nokia are arrogant and developers hate Symbian - they've all gone to the iPhone platform
> because they can actually make money off that and people actually want to use it)
Nope, because its a popular new phone.
And they havent all gone to it either.
> I would get an iPhone but I don't like to be told what to do
I dont like some of the design choices that were made.
I do like the software available for it.
> - I'm sure they're great devices but I just don't want one.
Your problem.
> So do any (non Nokia fans) here have any solid experience with Android?
> BTW I didn't sit on my N95 - it is three years old and has travelled
> extremely well. I think I have been patient enough for the last year
> and half waiting for Nokia to get off their arse and release something
> worth buying, that isn't over priced and buggy - and that actually
> interests developers. I know the N900 is coming to Australia but in
> typical Nokia fashion, from announcement through endless delays and
> hiccups to final 'release' it's obsolete before being available. The N97 was a classic example, I sat on the forums
> for well over 6 months
> waiting for it, was warned not to get it by developers, was delayed
> endlessly, and then the price was announce (big disappointment) and
> the bug reports flooded in and Nokia just pranced around like
> arrogant ******s.
> So NO I do NOT want a Nokia, I have lost all faith in that brand.
Your problem.
> The N95 was great for it's time, but that was last decade and it's time for something new.
On 1/03/2010 7:41 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> DoTheHustle wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> DoTheHustle wrote
>
>>> So stick with another N95 until something better turns up.
>
>> I don't want Nokia. I don't want Apple.
>
> Your problem.
>
>> Can someone help me?
>
> Nope, you are beyond any help.
>
>
> Well my trusty Nokia N95 screen cracked today, the last decent phone
> that Nokia ever released, and I have sworn off ever going near that
> bunch of arrogant losers ever again.
What's the problem with Nokia's "arrogance"?
As for the cracked screen does the N95 still work? Is there a safety or other
issue with the screen's condition?
You should see my Motorola V9? It has paint flaking off it everywhere, both
inner and outer screens have cracks in it, but it still chugs along.
If I get an iPhone or one of these other full screen touchphones I wonder how
long they'll last under the same conditions? In fact, being a smartphone means
that I'd use it at work more, so it'd be subjected to even more abuse than the
V9 or my PDA has copped (the new phone would replace both of these units).
> So... I don't want an iPhone - because everyone has one. So Android
> looks like a good option - what's it like?
My daughter is in New York. She has a Motorola Droid. She loves it. She uses it
for many purposes other than just talking. Does internet stuff OK, has an app
that allows her to scan barcodes of products in the supermarket to price compare
and to enter recipes, and to get a list of needed ingredients. But you may not
be interested in that one.
It has an app that can scan local emergency services radio freqs. An old diner
behind her place went up the other week. She was able to video the activity as
the fireys dealt with it and to listen and record the radio chatter. She then
uploaded it to Facebook 10 mins. later.
Amazing, really. Real time reporting, to a point.
The only thing with gong down the Android path is that you'll be limited to
Optus or any of the other carriers that only run 900 megs or 2100 megs for 3G
services. If you travel a bit you're relying on Optus getting NextG-like
coverage, otherwise you'll hit 3G blackspots.
Plus, Optus's 2G coverage is still isn't as good as NextG if your phone doesn't
connect to its 900 meg network.
Anyway, Android phones in Oz are few and far on the ground unless you import
one. And again, check out the Android threads on Whirlpool for more info on
that.
>> Well my trusty Nokia N95 screen cracked today, the last
>> decent phone that Nokia ever released, and I have sworn
>> off ever going near that bunch of arrogant losers ever again.
> What's the problem with Nokia's "arrogance"?
Just its silly little drug crazed fantasy.
> As for the cracked screen does the N95 still work?
> Is there a safety or other issue with the screen's condition?
Just the wound on its lard arse.
> You should see my Motorola V9? It has paint flaking off it everywhere,
> both inner and outer screens have cracks in it, but it still chugs along.
> If I get an iPhone or one of these other full screen touchphones
> I wonder how long they'll last under the same conditions?
They do last pretty well.
> In fact, being a smartphone means that I'd use it at work more,
> so it'd be subjected to even more abuse than the V9 or my PDA
> has copped (the new phone would replace both of these units).
>> So... I don't want an iPhone - because everyone has one.
>> So Android looks like a good option - what's it like?
> My daughter is in New York. She has a Motorola Droid. She loves it.
> She uses it for many purposes other than just talking. Does internet
> stuff OK, has an app that allows her to scan barcodes of products in
> the supermarket to price compare
So does the N95
> and to enter recipes, and to get a list of needed ingredients.
> But you may not be interested in that one.
> It has an app that can scan local emergency services radio freqs.
> An old diner behind her place went up the other week. She was able
> to video the activity as the fireys dealt with it and to listen and record
> the radio chatter. She then uploaded it to Facebook 10 mins. later.
> Amazing, really. Real time reporting, to a point.
> The only thing with gong down the Android path is that you'll be
> limited to Optus or any of the other carriers that only run 900 megs
> or 2100 megs for 3G services. If you travel a bit you're relying on
> Optus getting NextG-like coverage, otherwise you'll hit 3G blackspots.
> Plus, Optus's 2G coverage is still isn't as good as NextG
> if your phone doesn't connect to its 900 meg network.
> Anyway, Android phones in Oz are few and far on the
> ground unless you import one. And again, check out
> the Android threads on Whirlpool for more info on that.
On 2/03/2010 11:56 AM, Marts wrote:
> What's the problem with Nokia's "arrogance"?
Just their attitude on forums and in general with product releases -
demanding premium prices for what appear to be poorly researched and
'push driven' marketing styles rather than acknowledging that their
interface is looking seriously outdated now and doing something about it
- rather than just fobbing it off as 'not a threat'. It just seems to
be the sort of attitude you would expect from a social democratic
society - the market will do what we tell it - rather then we will wow
the market (like Apple did).
I just hate their attitude all round - and forums all over the net -
even Nokia's own support forums - are just plastered with people
complaining about Nokia's extremely poor service - especially the 'yeah
we'll get back to you in 72 hours' sort of thing, and then silence..
Forums are a powerful way to lose customers if you don't keep them happy.
> As for the cracked screen does the N95 still work? Is there a safety or other
> issue with the screen's condition?
Just age and use I guess. It's actually a replacement screen that
lasted very poorly - repaired by Nokia - and their care centre really
pissed me off too - so that entrenched my view of their attitude. I
would have expected more from that - I don't suppose there is a year
warranty with a replacement screen.
> My daughter is in New York. She has a Motorola Droid. She loves it. She uses it
> for many purposes other than just talking. Does internet stuff OK, has an app
> that allows her to scan barcodes of products in the supermarket to price compare
> and to enter recipes, and to get a list of needed ingredients. But you may not
> be interested in that one.
Heck yeah!!! That sounds awesome!!
> It has an app that can scan local emergency services radio freqs. An old diner
> behind her place went up the other week. She was able to video the activity as
> the fireys dealt with it and to listen and record the radio chatter. She then
> uploaded it to Facebook 10 mins. later.
How can the phone receive radio frequencies like emergency services???
> The only thing with gong down the Android path is that you'll be limited to
> Optus or any of the other carriers that only run 900 megs or 2100 megs for 3G
> services. If you travel a bit you're relying on Optus getting NextG-like
> coverage, otherwise you'll hit 3G blackspots.
Don't want Telstra - they are almost as bad as Nokia in the bad attitude
department - I figure roaming with someone like Vodafone is fine - and I
want to use it in Europe which is the 900 / 2100 band.
> Plus, Optus's 2G coverage is still isn't as good as NextG if your phone doesn't
> connect to its 900 meg network.
It has 900 meg.
> Anyway, Android phones in Oz are few and far on the ground unless you import
> one. And again, check out the Android threads on Whirlpool for more info on
> that.
Been hanging around Whirlpool... I love Whirlpool but good ol'
newsgroups are so much easier to follow.
Has anyone had any experience with Expansys or Mobilcity? They will
have the HTC Desire around April.
> > It has an app that can scan local emergency services radio freqs. An old diner
> > behind her place went up the other week. She was able to video the activity as
> > the fireys dealt with it and to listen and record the radio chatter. She then
> > uploaded it to Facebook 10 mins. later.
>
> How can the phone receive radio frequencies like emergency services???
From what I gathered the app connects to some sort of server which relays on air
comms chatter to the app and hence, the mobile. The phone itself doesn't have a
radio receiver that will pick up emerg. services freqs.
> > Plus, Optus's 2G coverage is still isn't as good as NextG if your phone doesn't
> > connect to its 900 meg network.
>
> It has 900 meg.
Don't forget, there are two 900 meg freqs. One is GSM, the other is 3G. The N95
doesn't pick up the 3G version. The later N97 does, and as do most Android
phones, I believe.
>>> It has an app that can scan local emergency services radio freqs.
>>> An old diner behind her place went up the other week. She was able
>>> to video the activity as the fireys dealt with it and to listen and
>>> record the radio chatter. She then uploaded it to Facebook 10 mins.
>>> later.
>>
>> How can the phone receive radio frequencies like emergency
>> services???
>
> From what I gathered the app connects to some sort of server which
> relays on air comms chatter to the app and hence, the mobile. The
> phone itself doesn't have a radio receiver that will pick up emerg.
> services freqs.
>
>>> Plus, Optus's 2G coverage is still isn't as good as NextG if your
>>> phone doesn't connect to its 900 meg network.
>>
>> It has 900 meg.
>
> Don't forget, there are two 900 meg freqs.
Nope.
> One is GSM, the other is 3G. The N95 doesn't pick up the 3G version. The later N97 does,
You're massively confusing freqs with what protocols a phone supports on a particular band.
On 16/03/2010 8:59 PM, Marts wrote:
> DoTheHustle wrote...
>
>> I'm sold on the HTC Desire, but I have to wait until April!!!!
>
> Given that it's not a life saving operation that you're on a public waiting list
> for, the wait shouldn't be a big deal.
>
> In fact, I'd hold off even then, to see what the carriers are going to do with
> the likes of the Nexus, Motorola Droid (or its Australian equivalent).
>
> I'm out of contract in July, so I'll wait until then to see what they have to
> offer.
>
I'll get the Desire... been many years waiting for a new phone... can't
wait!!!
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