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Old 03-08-2008, 05:46 AM
Alan Parkington
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Default Mayor welcomes move to Next G network

From
http://lithgow.yourguide.com.au/news...k/1198631.html

A group of stakeholders gathered with Telstra Country Wide and the Minister
for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy to express their views
on the transition from the CDMA network to the Next G Network.
Local Government has been a vocal advocate for the deployment of
infrastructure in Regional Australia to facilitate new broadband access.

Given the investments that Telstra has made in bringing the benefit of
coverage and data speeds available on the Next G Network, Lithgow Mayor
Neville Castle, Mayor said this would benefit all regional councils and
provide positive experiences for the ratepayers after moving to the Next G
Network.

ON February 6, Telstra announced it would activate high speed ADSL2+
broadband at more than 900 telephone exchanges across Australia over the
next six months.

These will serve more than 2.4 million consumers.

High Speed ADSL2+ broadband can provide network speeds of up to 20 megabits
per second and ADSL2+ can also provide speeds of 12 to 20 Mbps to users
within 1.5 km of an exchange.

These speeds are up to 350 times faster than a standard dial up connection",
Cr Castle said.

The second announcement was the further expansion of the Next G Network
which now has up to 6400 sites and provides voice and wireless broadband
coverage to 99 per cent of the population.

Telstra has announced a Next G evolution roadmap which will deliver
customers network speeds of up to 21Mbps in a world first and 42Mbps in 2009
using HSPA+ technology.

OPEL has said it will use close to $1 billion of taxpayer money to build
1361 WIMAX sites to take non mobile wireless broadband to around 600,000 sq
km and take ADSL2+ to 312 exchanges.

Telstra believes that the Broadband Connect Infrastructure Program funding
awarded to OPEL us the single largest grant of public money ever to a
corporate body.


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Old 03-08-2008, 08:31 AM
Rod Speed
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Alan Parkington <a.parkington@team.telstra.net> wrote:
> From
> http://lithgow.yourguide.com.au/news...k/1198631.html
>
> A group of stakeholders gathered with Telstra Country Wide and the
> Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy to
> express their views on the transition from the CDMA network to the
> Next G Network. Local Government has been a vocal advocate for the deployment of
> infrastructure in Regional Australia to facilitate new broadband
> access.
> Given the investments that Telstra has made in bringing the benefit of
> coverage and data speeds available on the Next G Network, Lithgow
> Mayor Neville Castle, Mayor said this would benefit all regional
> councils and provide positive experiences for the ratepayers after
> moving to the Next G Network.
>
> ON February 6, Telstra announced it would activate high speed ADSL2+
> broadband at more than 900 telephone exchanges across Australia over
> the next six months.
>
> These will serve more than 2.4 million consumers.
>
> High Speed ADSL2+ broadband can provide network speeds of up to 20
> megabits per second and ADSL2+ can also provide speeds of 12 to 20
> Mbps to users within 1.5 km of an exchange.
>
> These speeds are up to 350 times faster than a standard dial up
> connection", Cr Castle said.
>
> The second announcement was the further expansion of the Next G
> Network which now has up to 6400 sites and provides voice and
> wireless broadband coverage to 99 per cent of the population.
>
> Telstra has announced a Next G evolution roadmap which will deliver
> customers network speeds of up to 21Mbps in a world first and 42Mbps
> in 2009 using HSPA+ technology.
>
> OPEL has said it will use close to $1 billion of taxpayer money to
> build 1361 WIMAX sites to take non mobile wireless broadband to
> around 600,000 sq km and take ADSL2+ to 312 exchanges.


And that will provide real competition for the first time.

> Telstra believes that the Broadband Connect Infrastructure Program
> funding awarded to OPEL us the single largest grant of public money
> ever to a corporate body.


Who cares ?



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Old 03-10-2008, 12:59 AM
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Default Re: Mayor welcomes move to Next G network

Alan Parkington wrote...

> Telstra has announced a Next G evolution roadmap which will deliver
> customers network speeds of up to 21Mbps in a world first and 42Mbps in 2009
> using HSPA+ technology.


I wish I knew what I was doing wrong. I can't get any faster than a coupla
hundred kilobits/sec, let along any megabit speeds from my NextG service.

I'm talking about using a NextG mobile phone. Are these high speed
connections for dedicated NextG wireless modem cards or for phones as
well?



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Old 03-10-2008, 10:58 PM
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Default Re: Mayor welcomes move to Next G network

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:59:53 +1100, Snapper wrote:

> Alan Parkington wrote...
>
>> Telstra has announced a Next G evolution roadmap which will deliver
>> customers network speeds of up to 21Mbps in a world first and 42Mbps in 2009
>> using HSPA+ technology.

>
> I wish I knew what I was doing wrong. I can't get any faster than a coupla
> hundred kilobits/sec, let along any megabit speeds from my NextG service.


You're handset probably doesn't support HSDPA.

>
> I'm talking about using a NextG mobile phone. Are these high speed
> connections for dedicated NextG wireless modem cards or for phones as
> well?


They're for both, but not all handsets support them. Indeed, there aren't
currently any handsets on the Australian market capable of supporting those
higher speeds. If you want anything higher than 3.6Mbps you'll need to go
with a USB modem or ExpressCard modem. If you want 3.6Mbps speeds from a
handset, you'll need a HSDPA handset.

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Old 03-11-2008, 02:21 AM
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Horry wrote...

> > I wish I knew what I was doing wrong. I can't get any faster than a coupla
> > hundred kilobits/sec, let along any megabit speeds from my NextG service.

>
> You're handset probably doesn't support HSDPA.


Samsung A501 and more recently a Palm Treo 750 smartphone.



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Old 03-11-2008, 02:42 AM
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:21:04 +1100, Snapper wrote:

> Horry wrote...
>
>>> I wish I knew what I was doing wrong. I can't get any faster than a coupla
>>> hundred kilobits/sec, let along any megabit speeds from my NextG service.

>>
>> You're handset probably doesn't support HSDPA.

>
> Samsung A501 and more recently a Palm Treo 750 smartphone.


How old is the Palm?

"(Palm will release an upgrade in Q1 2007 to up UMTS to HSDPA)" (from
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/Treo-750.htm)

Can't be bothered googling the Samsung. But if you have HSDPA-capable
NextG handsets, you should be getting better speeds.

Here's a speed test I just did on 3's network in Adelaide, using a Nokia
6120 (which has HSDPA).

Broadband Speed Test Results

Test run on 11/03/2008 @ 01:42 PM

Mirror: OptusNet
Data: 3 MB
Test Time: 14.35 secs

Your line speed is 1.71 Mbps (1707 kbps).
Your download speed is 213 KB/s (0.21 MB/s).

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Old 03-11-2008, 02:51 AM
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:12:56 +1030, Horry wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:21:04 +1100, Snapper wrote:
>
>> Horry wrote...
>>
>>>> I wish I knew what I was doing wrong. I can't get any faster than a coupla
>>>> hundred kilobits/sec, let along any megabit speeds from my NextG service.
>>>
>>> You're handset probably doesn't support HSDPA.

>>
>> Samsung A501 and more recently a Palm Treo 750 smartphone.

>
> How old is the Palm?
>
> "(Palm will release an upgrade in Q1 2007 to up UMTS to HSDPA)" (from
> http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/Treo-750.htm)


It seems that Treo 750 currently on sale are HSDPA-enabled. See:
http://xseries.three.com.au/xseries/...tibility.shtml

Perhaps your one just needs a software upgrade? What software version are
you using? (Your manual should tell you how to check. With Nokias you can
check by entering *#0000#.)



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Old 03-11-2008, 11:06 PM
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Default Re: Mayor welcomes move to Next G network

Horry wrote...

> > Samsung A501 and more recently a Palm Treo 750 smartphone.

>
> How old is the Palm?
>
> "(Palm will release an upgrade in Q1 2007 to up UMTS to HSDPA)" (from
> http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/Treo-750.htm)


I bought it in September 07. I upgraded it to Windows Mobile 6 a month
ago. When it is sitting there idle a "3G" icon is displayed. When it
connects to the net the symbols changes to indicate a connection. When
data is flowing in either direction it changes to an "H" to indicate an
"HSDPA" connection.

Generally this occurs when either browsing, receiving emails or sending or
receiving MMSes. An SMS transmission or reception doesn't change the
symbol at all.



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Old 03-11-2008, 11:27 PM
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Default Re: Mayor welcomes move to Next G network

Horry wrote...

> Here's a speed test I just did on 3's network in Adelaide, using a Nokia
> 6120 (which has HSDPA).


What was the URL for that speed test. I'll give it a go on the Samsung
(the Palm was sold last week so I can't test it).

Thanks


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Old 03-11-2008, 11:42 PM
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Horry wrote...

> Can't be bothered googling the Samsung. But if you have HSDPA-capable
> NextG handsets, you should be getting better speeds.


I just sent a test MMS. When it was in transit the 3G symbol changed to
"3G+". This might be Samsung's way of saying that it's currently in a
HSDPA session.

http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/d...SGH-A501DBSXSA

It says this:

Platform Band Quad-Band GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz)
Network & Data UMTS 850MHz (Up to 1.8Mbps)

Does this mean HSDPA?

If not, what do Telstra NextG customers on UMTS 850mhz usually expect to
get data speed-wise?

When I had it connected as a modem the best download speeds that I was
seeing were under 256kbps. Usually around the 230 kbit/sec mark.



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Old 03-12-2008, 03:01 AM
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Default Re: Mayor welcomes move to Next G network

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:42:01 +1100, Snapper wrote:

> Horry wrote...
>
>> Can't be bothered googling the Samsung. But if you have HSDPA-capable
>> NextG handsets, you should be getting better speeds.

>
> I just sent a test MMS. When it was in transit the 3G symbol changed to
> "3G+". This might be Samsung's way of saying that it's currently in a
> HSDPA session.


When I'm downloading something, my Nokia changes from "3G" to "3.5G". My
handset is HSDPA capable of speeds up to 3.6Mbps.

I think those Huawei E220 USB modems you see everywhere are capable of the
same, but can achieve 7.2Mbps with a software upgrade (which won't be of
much use until 3, Optus and/or Vodafone's networks support that).


> http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/d...SGH-A501DBSXSA
>
> It says this:
>
> Platform Band Quad-Band GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz)
> Network & Data UMTS 850MHz (Up to 1.8Mbps)
>
> Does this mean HSDPA?


Yeah, there are several categories of HSDPA (such as 1.2Mbps, 1.8Mbps,
3.6Mbps, 7.2Mbps, etc.)

Standard 3G can achieve download speeds of only 384Kbps.


> If not, what do Telstra NextG customers on UMTS 850mhz usually expect to
> get data speed-wise?


Anecdotally, I couldn't say. I've never personally used the NextG network.


> When I had it connected as a modem the best download speeds that I was
> seeing were under 256kbps. Usually around the 230 kbit/sec mark.


How's the NextG coverage where you are?

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Old 03-12-2008, 03:01 AM
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:27:47 +1100, Snapper wrote:

> Horry wrote...
>
>> Here's a speed test I just did on 3's network in Adelaide, using a Nokia
>> 6120 (which has HSDPA).

>
> What was the URL for that speed test. I'll give it a go on the Samsung
> (the Palm was sold last week so I can't test it).


http://www.ozspeedtest.com/

Mine was done using the 3MB file.

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Old 03-12-2008, 11:59 PM
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Horry wrote...

> > When I had it connected as a modem the best download speeds that I was
> > seeing were under 256kbps. Usually around the 230 kbit/sec mark.

>
> How's the NextG coverage where you are?


It's pretty good. It does get patchy as you head bush, of course, but it's
still better than GSM.

Optus is supposedly setting up its own 3G network around here from May, I
think it is. It'll be interesting to see how that goes.



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Old 03-13-2008, 12:12 AM
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Horry wrote...


> http://www.ozspeedtest.com/
>
> Mine was done using the 3MB file.


I can't get it to work. If I open up the "bigpond" link and try to browse
it it says "not enough memory".

I have Opera mini browser, a Java application installed on the Samsung. I
tried it but whenever I click on the links it just returns me to the same
page.

Dozen madder. I rarely use the internet on the mobile anyway.



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Old 03-16-2008, 09:19 AM
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"Snapper" <snapper1@y7mail.com> wrote in message
news:47d87154$0$32273$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> Horry wrote...
>
>
>> http://www.ozspeedtest.com/
>>
>> Mine was done using the 3MB file.

>
> I can't get it to work. If I open up the "bigpond" link and try to browse
> it it says "not enough memory".
>
> I have Opera mini browser, a Java application installed on the Samsung. I
> tried it but whenever I click on the links it just returns me to the same
> page.


The Opera mini browser is useless for this sort of test.
Opera mini actually connects to an Opera-operated proxy server, which
connects to the destination server on your behalf. Content is then
manipulated on the proxy to make it better suited to the smaller screen
(images resized, html reformatted etc.) before it's delivered to your
handset.

--
Kwyj.



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Old 03-17-2008, 09:23 AM
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Kwyjibo wrote...

> The Opera mini browser is useless for this sort of test.
> Opera mini actually connects to an Opera-operated proxy server, which
> connects to the destination server on your behalf. Content is then
> manipulated on the proxy to make it better suited to the smaller screen
> (images resized, html reformatted etc.) before it's delivered to your
> handset.


Ah, that probably explains it, then.

In any case my attempts to gauge a speed test via the Samsung and NextG
failed. The pre-installed browser kept on returning "not enough memory"
errors whenever I tried to load the required web pages. It's a fault that
I see all the time.

I'm looking at two different phone replacements; the Motorola V3xx and the
V9. So far it looks like the V3 may get the guernsey. I can't see what
benefits the V9 has to offer over the V3 other than say, the 2 mp camera
of the V9 and maybe more internal memory. Functionally they all appear to
be similar.



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