What do you think? Will the likes of Nokia's smartphones with free turn-by-turn
nav software kill off the likes of TomTom and Garmin?
The main thing that I see about using a dedicated navigator is that it has a
larger touch screen and has more features than what the mobiles have to offer.
My wife's N95 has maps that I downloaded that cover the US (New York), England
and Paris as well as all of Australia. However, without A-GPS enabled, it takes
a while to get a signal. Plus, for voice guidance to be enabled it needs an
internet connection, which consumes data.
And all this costs extra.
But this latest development means that it may work as a standalone unit.
Something that I'll check out.
Thing is, the screen is smaller than my Mio's 3.5" screen. So it's harder to
read.
For iPhone owners, they have to pay $100 for the software plus more for the
holder. It becomes an expensive exercise compared to spending $180 on a Tom Tom
One.
> What do you think? Will the likes of Nokia's smartphones with free
> turn-by-turn nav software kill off the likes of TomTom and Garmin?
I doubt it, if only because the screens are so much smaller etc.
> The main thing that I see about using a dedicated
> navigator is that it has a larger touch screen
Yep.
> and has more features than what the mobiles have to offer.
Yep, particularly voice command. I mostly use it for garage sales
with me being the only person in the car and its a nuisance to have
to stop to change stuff in an itinery as you zoom around the sales.
> My wife's N95 has maps that I downloaded that cover the US
> (New York), England and Paris as well as all of Australia.
> However, without A-GPS enabled, it takes a while to get a signal.
Yeah, the tomtom is much better there. Corse I did deliberately
buy the tomtom because it does much better than most.
> Plus, for voice guidance to be enabled it needs
> an internet connection, which consumes data.
Yep, tho more up to date than any dedicated GPS can be,
quite apart from the cost of updating the maps in the GPS.
> And all this costs extra.
Yep, and if you have a clue, updated maps in a dedicated GPS dont.
> But this latest development means that it may work
> as a standalone unit. Something that I'll check out.
> Thing is, the screen is smaller than my Mio's 3.5" screen. So it's harder to read.
Yeah, and thats a significant consideration when zooming
around in the car with you as the only person in the car.
> For iPhone owners, they have to pay $100 for the software plus more for the holder.
I dont bother with the holder with the tomtom, use one of
those friction mat things that cost quite literally peanuts and
have it on the dash, even tho it does come with a holder included.
Its very convenient to be able to just pick it up when fiddling with the itinery etc.
> It becomes an expensive exercise compared to spending $180 on a Tom Tom One.
Re: Mobile Phone GPSes - doom for dedicated Navigators?
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:52:51 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Marts wrote:
>
>> http://www.theage.com.au/digital-lif...0122-mq0r.html
>
>> What do you think? Will the likes of Nokia's smartphones with free
>> turn-by-turn nav software kill off the likes of TomTom and Garmin?
>
>I doubt it, if only because the screens are so much smaller etc.
>
>> The main thing that I see about using a dedicated
>> navigator is that it has a larger touch screen
>
>Yep.
>
>> and has more features than what the mobiles have to offer.
>
>Yep, particularly voice command. I mostly use it for garage sales
>with me being the only person in the car and its a nuisance to have
>to stop to change stuff in an itinery as you zoom around the sales.
>
>> My wife's N95 has maps that I downloaded that cover the US
>> (New York), England and Paris as well as all of Australia.
>> However, without A-GPS enabled, it takes a while to get a signal.
>
>Yeah, the tomtom is much better there. Corse I did deliberately
>buy the tomtom because it does much better than most.
>
>> Plus, for voice guidance to be enabled it needs
>> an internet connection, which consumes data.
>
>Yep, tho more up to date than any dedicated GPS can be,
>quite apart from the cost of updating the maps in the GPS.
>
>> And all this costs extra.
>
>Yep, and if you have a clue, updated maps in a dedicated GPS dont.
>
>> But this latest development means that it may work
>> as a standalone unit. Something that I'll check out.
>
>> Thing is, the screen is smaller than my Mio's 3.5" screen. So it's harder to read.
>
>Yeah, and thats a significant consideration when zooming
>around in the car with you as the only person in the car.
>
>> For iPhone owners, they have to pay $100 for the software plus more for the holder.
>
>I dont bother with the holder with the tomtom, use one of
>those friction mat things that cost quite literally peanuts and
>have it on the dash, even tho it does come with a holder included.
>
>Its very convenient to be able to just pick it up when fiddling with the itinery etc.
>
>> It becomes an expensive exercise compared to spending $180 on a Tom Tom One.
>
>I use the top of the line tomtoms instead.
>
I have a top of the line TomTom and also had at one stage a mobile
with TomTom navigation software on it. I much prefer a dedicated
navigator as it is easier to use, has more features and it can be used
as a Blutooth hands free for the mobile.
>>> What do you think? Will the likes of Nokia's smartphones with free
>>> turn-by-turn nav software kill off the likes of TomTom and Garmin?
>> I doubt it, if only because the screens are so much smaller etc.
>>> The main thing that I see about using a dedicated
>>> navigator is that it has a larger touch screen
>> Yep.
>>> and has more features than what the mobiles have to offer.
>> Yep, particularly voice command. I mostly use it for garage sales
>> with me being the only person in the car and its a nuisance to have
>> to stop to change stuff in an itinery as you zoom around the sales.
>>> My wife's N95 has maps that I downloaded that cover the US
>>> (New York), England and Paris as well as all of Australia.
>>> However, without A-GPS enabled, it takes a while to get a signal.
>> Yeah, the tomtom is much better there. Corse I did deliberately
>> buy the tomtom because it does much better than most.
>>> Plus, for voice guidance to be enabled it needs
>>> an internet connection, which consumes data.
>> Yep, tho more up to date than any dedicated GPS can be,
>> quite apart from the cost of updating the maps in the GPS.
>>> And all this costs extra.
>> Yep, and if you have a clue, updated maps in a dedicated GPS dont.
>>> But this latest development means that it may work
>>> as a standalone unit. Something that I'll check out.
>>> Thing is, the screen is smaller than my Mio's 3.5" screen. So it's harder to read.
>> Yeah, and thats a significant consideration when zooming
>> around in the car with you as the only person in the car.
>>> For iPhone owners, they have to pay $100 for the software plus more for the holder.
>> I dont bother with the holder with the tomtom, use one of
>> those friction mat things that cost quite literally peanuts and
>> have it on the dash, even tho it does come with a holder included.
>> Its very convenient to be able to just pick it up when fiddling with the itinery etc.
>>> It becomes an expensive exercise compared to spending $180 on a Tom Tom One.
>> I use the top of the line tomtoms instead.
> I have a top of the line TomTom and also had at one stage a mobile
> with TomTom navigation software on it. I much prefer a dedicated
> navigator as it is easier to use, has more features and it can be used
> as a Blutooth hands free for the mobile.
Yeah, I much prefer the address entry method that the tomtoms
use over the other dedicated GPS I have, a Navig8r M34.
I do prefer google tho, because you dont have to bother to tell
it the town, you can just enter the street name when doing itinerys
for yard sales where they are mostly in the same town etc.
The tomtoms have an odd system where with the roads out of town,
you have to enter the region as a pseudo town and its not always
possible to predict in advance when its going to want the region and
when it wants the town name with my quite high density rural farms
that are out of town itself.
I basically do that itinery for the weekend's yard sales google first,
mainly because the map display is rather better when google when
doing the routing to minimise the route distances, and then enter it
into the tomtom manually for use on the road. I should get off my
arse and automate the transfer of the google itinery to the tomtom
which has been done already, just havent got around to it.
Google is obviously more up to date in theory, but just found two
that it didnt have last weekend, and no way to update like you get
with the latest tomtoms. Both of the problems was in the council pdf street map.
Re: Mobile Phone GPSes - doom for dedicated Navigators?
Rod Speed wrote...
> Yep, and if you have a clue, updated maps in a dedicated GPS dont.
Haven't done this with a TT, but I do have the TT software and latest maps on a
third party GPS. Works a treat.
> I dont bother with the holder with the tomtom, use one of
> those friction mat things that cost quite literally peanuts and
> have it on the dash, even tho it does come with a holder included.
This is no longer allowed in Vic. GPS and phones have to be securely mounted in
a "commercially available" holder.
Re: Mobile Phone GPSes - doom for dedicated Navigators?
Marts wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Plus, for voice guidance to be enabled it needs
>>>>> an internet connection, which consumes data.
>>>> Yep, tho more up to date than any dedicated GPS can be,
>>>> quite apart from the cost of updating the maps in the GPS.
>>> And all this costs extra.
>> Yep, and if you have a clue, updated maps in a dedicated GPS dont.
> Haven't done this with a TT,
I have.
> but I do have the TT software and latest maps on a third party GPS. Works a treat.
Does on a real tomtom too.
>> I dont bother with the holder with the tomtom, use one of
>> those friction mat things that cost quite literally peanuts and
>> have it on the dash, even tho it does come with a holder included.
> This is no longer allowed in Vic. GPS and phones have to
> be securely mounted in a "commercially available" holder.
Dont believe that. And mine is commercially available anyway.
Re: Mobile Phone GPSes - doom for dedicated Navigators?
Lurker wrote
> Jack Simmons <jacksim@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Marts wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Plus, for voice guidance to be enabled it needs
>>>>>>>> an internet connection, which consumes data.
>>>>>>> Yep, tho more up to date than any dedicated GPS can be,
>>>>>>> quite apart from the cost of updating the maps in the GPS.
>>>>>> And all this costs extra.
>>>>> Yep, and if you have a clue, updated maps in a dedicated GPS dont.
>>>> Haven't done this with a TT,
>>> I have.
>>>> but I do have the TT software and latest maps on a third party GPS.
>>>> Works a treat.
>>> Does on a real tomtom too.
>>>>> I dont bother with the holder with the tomtom, use one of
>>>>> those friction mat things that cost quite literally peanuts and
>>>>> have it on the dash, even tho it does come with a holder included.
>>>> This is no longer allowed in Vic. GPS and phones have to
>>>> be securely mounted in a "commercially available" holder.
>>> Dont believe that. And mine is commercially available anyway.
>> I would .. and I think you'll find that as part of the definition of
>> "commercially available" would include that the mount is fixed so as
>> to not become a missile in an accident.
As I thought, he stuffed up completely. There is the tiny matter of the OR on the end of the first line.
a.. is secured in a commercially designed holder fixed to the vehicle,or
b.. can be operated by the driver without touching any part of the body of the phone.
Re: Mobile Phone GPSes - doom for dedicated Navigators?
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7sbeg9FcqnU1@mid.individual.net...
> Lurker wrote
>> Jack Simmons <jacksim@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Marts wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
<snip>
>>>>>> I dont bother with the holder with the tomtom, use one of
>>>>>> those friction mat things that cost quite literally peanuts and
>>>>>> have it on the dash, even tho it does come with a holder included.
>
>>>>> This is no longer allowed in Vic. GPS and phones have to
>>>>> be securely mounted in a "commercially available" holder.
>
>>>> Dont believe that. And mine is commercially available anyway.
>
>>> I would .. and I think you'll find that as part of the definition of
>>> "commercially available" would include that the mount is fixed so as
>>> to not become a missile in an accident.
>
>> I think that's correct; see
>
>> http://www.roadrules.vicroads.vic.go...lay_units.html
>
> As I thought, he stuffed up completely. There is the tiny matter of the OR
> on the end of the first line.
>
> a.. is secured in a commercially designed holder fixed to the vehicle,or
> b.. can be operated by the driver without touching any part of the body
> of the phone.
>
Those provisos apply to "Mobile phones" and you omitted the next line
"Using a phone as a GPS while driving is prohibited unless it is secured in
a commercially designed holder fixed to the vehicle."
Further on: "A driver can use a driver's aid such as a navigation device but
it must be an integrated part of the vehicle design, or secured in a
commercially designed holder, which is fixed to the vehicle."
I think he (whoever, I've lost track of the quoting) was correct in saying
that _if_used_as_a_GPS <quote>in Vic. GPS and phones have to be securely
mounted in a "commercially available" holder</quote> which is "fixed to the
vehicle" (the bit about becoming a missile seems to be speculation on
reasons for the rules, not part of the rules).
IMHO that bars use of the friction mat things. I don't think they _should_
be barred (I use one myself), but I think the rules are clear. Fortunately
(for me!) I'm in the UK so those rules don't apply to me.
Re: Mobile Phone GPSes - doom for dedicated Navigators?
Lurker wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Lurker wrote
>>> Jack Simmons <jacksim@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Marts wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> I dont bother with the holder with the tomtom, use one of
>>>>>>> those friction mat things that cost quite literally peanuts and
>>>>>>> have it on the dash, even tho it does come with a holder included.
>>>>>> This is no longer allowed in Vic. GPS and phones have to
>>>>>> be securely mounted in a "commercially available" holder.
>>>>> Dont believe that. And mine is commercially available anyway.
>>>> I would .. and I think you'll find that as part of the definition
>>>> of "commercially available" would include that the mount is fixed so as to not become a missile in an accident.
>> As I thought, he stuffed up completely. There is the tiny matter of the OR on the end of the first line.
>> a.. is secured in a commercially designed holder fixed to the vehicle,or b.. can be operated by the driver without
>> touching any part of the body of the phone.
> Those provisos apply to "Mobile phones"
And thats what Farts ****ed up so spectacularly.
> and you omitted the next line "Using a phone as a GPS while driving
He didnt even mention that.
> is prohibited unless it is secured in a commercially designed holder fixed to the vehicle."
I'm not using a phone as a GPS, I'm using a GPS, stupid.
> Further on: "A driver can use a driver's aid such as a navigation device but it must be an integrated part of the
> vehicle design, or secured in a commercially designed holder,
Thats what the friction mat is.
> which is fixed to the vehicle."
Thats what the friction does.
> I think he (whoever, I've lost track of the quoting)
That was Farts.
> was correct in saying that _if_used_as_a_GPS
He never said that. He was clearly commenting on how I use MY TOMTOM.
> <quote>in Vic. GPS and phones have to be securely mounted in a "commercially available" holder</quote> which is "fixed
> to the vehicle" (the bit about becoming a missile seems to be speculation on reasons for the rules, not part of the
> rules).
What he said is nothing like the rules either.
> IMHO that bars use of the friction mat things.
Like hell it does. And why is your opinion so horrible ?
> I don't think they _should_ be barred (I use one myself), but I think the rules are clear.
Fraid not.
> Fortunately (for me!) I'm in the UK so those rules don't apply to me.
They dont apply to me either, I'm not silly enough to have anything to do with that grossly singed state.
Re: Mobile Phone GPSes - doom for dedicated Navigators?
On 23/01/2010 5:38 PM, Marts wrote:
> http://www.theage.com.au/digital-lif...0122-mq0r.html
>
> What do you think? Will the likes of Nokia's smartphones with free turn-by-turn
> nav software kill off the likes of TomTom and Garmin?
Not Nokia because I doubt they will ever regain market leadership with
their poor attitude, but others like iPhone and Android, possibly. You
will see the 'commoditisation' of the navigation market where maps
become no more distinguished than potatoes at the supermarket - you will
buy navigation by the kilo for the cheapest price.
What will change is value-adding differentiators - value added layers
for specific purposes.
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