Next G covers all CDMA areas: Telstra

From
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...22/2097871.htm

Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently using its
CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G network.

The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.

Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old network should
buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as they can.

He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had CDMA
coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.

"We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next G
network. We've declared to government that we have network equivalence and
we are very, very confident that that is the case."

"Allan Parkington" <allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote in message
news:cZd1j.15854$CN4.5994@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> From
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...22/2097871.htm
>
> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently using
> its CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G network.

It's 'confident'? Hardly a rock-solid guarantee.
>
> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>
Nope, it will stop working when the government tells them they can do that.

> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old network
> should

Pity the network aint 'old'.

> buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as they can.
>
> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had CDMA
> coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.

Pity that is yet to be verified by the ACMA

>
> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next G
> network. We've declared to government that we have network equivalence and
> we are very, very confident that that is the case."
>
>
Pity that is up to the Communications Minister to determine.



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No government should be telling a private business that it has to maintain
a service (i.e CDMA) that it no longer wishes to maintain. Telstra is a
private business and has the right to decide to stop offering services just
like any other private business.

Any private business should be free to stop offering any product or service
without government interference. For example, an airline should be free to
discontinue any routes that it decides to discontinue, a retail store
should be free to stop carrying any item that it currently carries. And,
like those other businesses, a mobile phone provider should be free to stop
supporting any networks, protocols, technologies, phones or services that
they choose to stop supporting.

The government should butt out and let the marketplace sort itself out. If
a private business does not provide services that consumers want, someone
else will step in and provide it as long as the demand is there. e.g. if a
shop stops selling eggs, someone else will step in and start selling eggs
if the market wants eggs. If an airline stops flying to a given airport,
another airline will come in and fly to that airport if the market wants to
fly to that airport. And if Telstra stops providing cellphone service to a
given location, another carrier will step in and provide that service if
the market wants cell service in that location.

The only time the government should step in is if a company is abusing its
power to ensure that services are not provided to people that want said
services. As long as there is adequate competition, the government should
stay out of it and let the market sort it out. And where there are
government rules that are restricting competition (such as rules about
which airlines can fly to which airports) the government should work to
remove such obstacles to competition (unless such rules are required to
maintain Australia's quarantine and/or the health and safety of its citizens)

"Jonathan Wilson" <jfwfreo@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message
news:47458c0f$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> No government should be telling a private business that it has to maintain
> a service (i.e CDMA) that it no longer wishes to maintain. Telstra is a
> private business and has the right to decide to stop offering services
> just like any other private business.

Wrong answer. As a telco, Telstra needs to hold a carrier licence, and the
Commonwealth can add conditions or requirements that the licence holders
needs to meet.

>
> Any private business should be free to stop offering any product or
> service without government interference. For example, an airline should be
> free to discontinue any routes that it decides to discontinue, a retail
> store should be free to stop carrying any item that it currently carries.
> And, like those other businesses, a mobile phone provider should be free
> to stop supporting any networks, protocols, technologies, phones or
> services that they choose to stop supporting.

That would be fine, however Telstra is an ex-government monopoly that would
stomp on all competition otherwise.

>
> The government should butt out and let the marketplace sort itself out. If
> a private business does not provide services that consumers want, someone
> else will step in and provide it as long as the demand is there. e.g. if a
> shop stops selling eggs, someone else will step in and start selling eggs
> if the market wants eggs. If an airline stops flying to a given airport,
> another airline will come in and fly to that airport if the market wants
> to fly to that airport. And if Telstra stops providing cellphone service
> to a given location, another carrier will step in and provide that service
> if the market wants cell service in that location.
>
> The only time the government should step in is if a company is abusing its
> power to ensure that services are not provided to people that want said

Telstra has along history of abusing power; th TIO figures are plain
enought to demonstrate this.

> services. As long as there is adequate competition, the government should
> stay out of it and let the market sort it out. And where there are
> government rules that are restricting competition (such as rules about
> which airlines can fly to which airports) the government should work to
> remove such obstacles to competition (unless such rules are required to
> maintain Australia's quarantine and/or the health and safety of its
> citizens)



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Allan Parkington <allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote:

> From
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...22/2097871.htm

> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently using its CDMA network will have similar coverage on
> its new Next G network.

Easy to claim. Hell of lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

And that is nothing like the original claim anyway.

> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.

Bare faced lie.

> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old network
> should buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as they can.

What the fuck is the point of not waiting till Jan ?

> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had CDMA coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next
> G.

Easy to claim. Hell of lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next G network. We've declared to government that we
> have network
> equivalence and we are very, very confident that that is the case."

And it remains to be seen if the govt will believe you.

Jonathan Wilson <jfwfreo@tpgi.com.au> wrote:

> No government should be telling a private business that it has to
> maintain a service (i.e CDMA) that it no longer wishes to maintain.

Wrong when its a monopoly that the govt has partially funded.

If telstra didnt like that, it shouldnt have accepted any govt funding.

> Telstra is a private business and has the right to decide to stop offering services just like any other private
> business.

Any other private business cant necessarily do that unless they
are prepared to offer a full refund to those who they didnt inform
that they were only going to be providing that particular service
until it suited them to shaft their customers by turning it off.

> Any private business should be free to stop offering any product or service without government interference.

Then there's the real world where every govt in the entire
first world has extensive consumer protection law that
anyone offering any product or service has to comply with.

> For example, an airline should be free to discontinue any routes that it decides to discontinue,

Depends on whether the govt has funded that route.

> a retail store should be free to stop carrying any item that it currently carries. And, like those other businesses, a
> mobile phone provider should be free to stop supporting any networks, protocols, technologies, phones or services that
> they choose to stop supporting.

Not if they didnt make it clear to the suckers they flogged that network
to that it could be turned off at any time on a whim and the customers
decide if they are interested in using a network like that or use one
like GSM where they can always use a competitor if the one they
use initially decides to pull the plug on their GSM network.

> The government should butt out and let the marketplace sort itself out.

Every govt in the entire first world has extensive consumer protection
law that anyone offering any product or service has to comply with.

Fools like you get to like that or lump it.

> If a private business does not provide services that consumers want, someone else will step in and provide it as long
> as the demand is there. e.g. if a shop stops selling eggs, someone else will step in and start selling eggs if the
> market wants eggs.

Then there's the real world where the govt chose to hand
great piles of money to telstra to put in cdma bases where
telstra would not otherwise bother to put in a base. And
telstra was very happy to accept that money and spend it.

> If an airline stops flying to a given airport, another airline will come in and fly to that airport if the market
> wants to fly to that airport.

And then there's the real world where even the stupidest polly has
noticed that if the govt doesnt provide the basic infrastructure like
roads and water and power etc, it wont ever be provided in some areas.

> And if Telstra stops providing cellphone service to a given location, another carrier will step in and provide that
> service if the market wants cell service in that location.

And even the stupidest polly has noticed that in some areas the usage
will never be enough to justify that with phones and mobiles phones
and the govt will decide to spend some money on bases in places like
that and use systems like the USO to provide phone services too.

> The only time the government should step in is if a company is abusing its power

And that is precisely what Telstra is doing. They were forced to
resell the cdma system, because it was once the monopoly telco,
and have chosen to turn the cdma system off so that everyone
who is using it has to change to something else and hopefully many
will change to NextG where they are locked into a monopoly again.

> to ensure that services are not provided to people that want said services. As long as there is adequate competition,

There isnt in many low density areas, cretin.

> the government should stay out of it and let the market sort it out.

Then there's the real world.

> And where there are government rules that are restricting competition (such as rules about which airlines can fly to
> which airports) the government should work to remove such obstacles to competition (unless such rules are required to
> maintain Australia's quarantine and/or the health and safety of its citizens)

And then there's the real world where unless
the govt pays for infrastructure, it wont happen.

"Alice" <e@shitanddie.com> wrote in message
news:4745ee9e$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> Aren't you emabarassed by the fact that you're continuing to sing the
> praises of a company that doesn't give one flying fuck about you?
>
> Allan Parkington wrote:
>> From
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...22/2097871.htm
>>


Quoting a report from the ABC is "praising telstra"?.. let me guess, you're
a liberal voter..

Aren't you emabarassed by the fact that you're continuing to sing the
praises of a company that doesn't give one flying fuck about you?

Allan Parkington wrote:
> From
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...22/2097871.htm
>
> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently using its
> CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G network.
>
> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>
> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old network should
> buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as they can.
>
> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had CDMA
> coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.
>
> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next G
> network. We've declared to government that we have network equivalence and
> we are very, very confident that that is the case."
>
>

Allan Parkington <allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote
> Alice <e@shitanddie.com> wrote
>> Allan Parkington <allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote

>>> From
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...22/2097871.htm

>> Aren't you emabarassed by the fact that you're continuing to sing the
>> praises of a company that doesn't give one flying fuck about you?

Nope, no one gives a flying red fuck about him, so he hasnt got any choice on that.

> Quoting a report from the ABC is "praising telstra"?..

Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones
that dont have anything good to say about telstra, fuckwit.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5qmcr8F10b2n7U1@mid.individual.net...
> > Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones
> that dont have anything good to say about telstra, fuckwit.
>


Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this NG..
Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:45:12 GMT, "Allan Parkington"
<allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote:

>From
>http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...22/2097871.htm
>
>Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently using its
>CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G network.

and the rest of Australia? One piece of equivalence doesn't automatically
translate to the rest of oz.

>The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.

maybe.

>Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old network should
>buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as they can.

why hurry? Most of the 800,000 or 2M still on CDMA will probably give Tel$tra
the arse rather than get locked into a ripoff monopo,y situation again.

>He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had CDMA
>coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.

and the rest of Australia? One piece of equivalence doesn't automatically
translate to the rest of oz.

>"We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next G
>network. We've declared to government that we have network equivalence and
>we are very, very confident that that is the case."

"in the Territory". and the rest of Australia? One piece of equivalence
doesn't automatically translate to the rest of oz.

"Allan Parkington" <allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote in message
news:gtr1j.16011$CN4.990@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5qmcr8F10b2n7U1@mid.individual.net...
>> > Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones
>> that dont have anything good to say about telstra, fuckwit.
>>
>
>
> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this NG..
> Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.

Reason?? ROFL.
The only thing you achieve is to get us to question the 'reason' for your
pathetic existence.

--
Kwyj.

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:45:12 Allan Parkington may have written:
> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next G
> network. We've declared to government that we have network equivalence
> and we are very, very confident that that is the case."

Hey Michael, you still going to claim that Telstra have never said NextG
gives the same coverage footprint as CDMA?

PD

--
Paul Day

Allan Parkington <allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Allan Parkington <allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote

>>> Quoting a report from the ABC is "praising telstra"?..

>> Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones
>> that dont have anything good to say about telstra, fuckwit.

> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this NG..

Obvious bare faced lie.

> Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.

You wouldnt know what the voice of reason what if it bit you on your lard arse, fuckwit.

No surprise that you got the bums rush, right out the door on your lard arse.

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:06:52 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:

> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5qmcr8F10b2n7U1@mid.individual.net...
>> > Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones that dont have
>> anything good to say about telstra, fuckwit.
>>
>>
>
> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this NG..
> Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.

You've got that completely arse about face, naturally! There was never
anything like as much anti-telstra opinion on this ng or aus.comms before
you started posting your crap! In fact, some of the people who balance up
your nonsense were posting much more pro-telstra stuff before. The anti-
telstra stuff is there to balance your propaganda, not the other way
round!

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:45:12 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:

> From
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...22/2097871.htm
>
> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently using
> its CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G network.

Which territory is that? The ACT? Christmas Island?

> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>
> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old network
> should buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as they can.
>
> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had CDMA
> coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.
>
> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next G
> network. We've declared to government that we have network equivalence
> and we are very, very confident that that is the case."

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:50:55 GMT, "Allan Parkington"
<allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote:

>
>"Alice" <e@shitanddie.com> wrote in message
>news:4745ee9e$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> Aren't you emabarassed by the fact that you're continuing to sing the
>> praises of a company that doesn't give one flying fuck about you?
>>
>> Allan Parkington wrote:
>>> From
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...22/2097871.htm
>>>
>
>
>Quoting a report from the ABC is "praising telstra"?.. let me guess, you're
>a liberal voter..

Then how come you didn't post this one for all to see? (from the same ABC):

Friday November 23, 06:13 PM
Telstra to blame for sewage leak: Queanbeyan Mayor

The Queanbeyan Council says Telstra is to blame for its inability to stop the
sewage leak that led to the closure of Lake Burley Griffin a fortnight ago.

The lake was closed for a week after bacteria from the sewage reached dangerous
levels.

Queanbeyan Mayor Frank Pangallo says engineers have emergency plans ready to go
when power fails at the treatment works.

But he says Telstra had discontinued an automatic SMS notification service
without telling anyone.

"Telstra changed its protocols four days before the event and what used to
happen before those changes is that our on-call person would've got an SMS
message if the system failed," he said.

"They had changed that, they'd discontinued that."

Mr Pangallo says the communication problems are disappointing.

"I certainly feel annoyed it's created a lot of problem and a lot of
embarrassment for Queanbeyan because sewage spills unfortunately are going to
happen no matter where they are when equipment fails," he said.

"Had we been notified of that, we would've automatically switched on a
generator."

"Will Kemp" <Will@xxxx.Swaggie.net> wrote in message
news:47468b1a$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:45:12 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:
>
>> From
>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...22/2097871.htm
>>
>> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently using
>> its CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G network.
>
> Which territory is that? The ACT? Christmas Island?
>

242 Exhibition St.

--
Kwyj.

"Will Kemp" <Will@xxxx.Swaggie.net> wrote in message
news:47468aa0$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:06:52 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:
>
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5qmcr8F10b2n7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> > Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones that dont have
>>> anything good to say about telstra, fuckwit.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this NG..
>> Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.
>
> You've got that completely arse about face, naturally! There was never
> anything like as much anti-telstra opinion on this ng or aus.comms before
> you started posting your crap! In fact, some of the people who balance up
> your nonsense were posting much more pro-telstra stuff before. The anti-
> telstra stuff is there to balance your propaganda, not the other way
> round!

No, I have been posting here for several years, just under a pseudonym. I
know what this group is like..

On Nov 22, 10:45 pm, "Allan Parkington"
<allanparking...@team.telstra.com> wrote:
> Fromhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/22/2097871.htm
>
> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently using its
> CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G network.
>
> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>
> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old network should
> buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as they can.
>
> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had CDMA
> coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.
>
> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next G
> network. We've declared to government that we have network equivalence and
> we are very, very confident that that is the case."

I like to see results by an independent tester before I'm convinced of
the network coverage.
At this stage it looks like Jan 28 is still the cut-off date.
Switch over to GSM/NextG or else you lose your CDMA number. Once its
gone, it's gone.

Spokes <spokesman123@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 10:45 pm, "Allan Parkington"
> <allanparking...@team.telstra.com> wrote:
>> Fromhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/22/2097871.htm
>>
>> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently
>> using its CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G
>> network.
>>
>> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>>
>> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old
>> network should buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as
>> they can.
>>
>> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had
>> CDMA coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.
>>
>> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next
>> G network. We've declared to government that we have network
>> equivalence and we are very, very confident that that is the case."

> I like to see results by an independent tester before I'm convinced of the network coverage.

> At this stage it looks like Jan 28 is still the cut-off date.

Unlikely that the ACMA will have decided that Telstra aint lying by then.

> Switch over to GSM/NextG or else you lose your CDMA number.

No need to do that for months, makes more sense to wait until we see what happens on that date.

> Once its gone, it's gone.

Wrong, the number doesnt evaporate when the cdma system is turned off.

Allan Parkington <allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote:
> "Will Kemp" <Will@xxxx.Swaggie.net> wrote in message
> news:47468aa0$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:06:52 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:
>>
>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5qmcr8F10b2n7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>>>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones that dont
>>>> have anything good to say about telstra, fuckwit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this
>>> NG.. Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.
>>
>> You've got that completely arse about face, naturally! There was
>> never anything like as much anti-telstra opinion on this ng or
>> aus.comms before you started posting your crap! In fact, some of the
>> people who balance up your nonsense were posting much more
>> pro-telstra stuff before. The anti- telstra stuff is there to
>> balance your propaganda, not the other way round!

> No,

Yep.

> I have been posting here for several years, just under a pseudonym. I know what this group is like..

You're lying about what this group is like, as always.

popeye <spinach@home.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:48:13 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Spokes <spokesman123@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 22, 10:45 pm, "Allan Parkington"
>>> <allanparking...@team.telstra.com> wrote:
>>>> Fromhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/22/2097871.htm
>>>>
>>>> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently
>>>> using its CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G
>>>> network.
>>>>
>>>> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>>>>
>>>> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old
>>>> network should buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon
>>>> as they can.
>>>>
>>>> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had
>>>> CDMA coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.
>>>>
>>>> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the
>>>> Next G network. We've declared to government that we have network
>>>> equivalence and we are very, very confident that that is the case."
>>
>>> I like to see results by an independent tester before I'm convinced
>>> of the network coverage.
>>
>>> At this stage it looks like Jan 28 is still the cut-off date.
>>
>> Unlikely that the ACMA will have decided that Telstra aint lying by
>> then.
>>
>>> Switch over to GSM/NextG or else you lose your CDMA number.
>>
>> No need to do that for months, makes more sense to wait until we see
>> what happens on that date.
>>
>>> Once its gone, it's gone.
>>
>> Wrong, the number doesnt evaporate when the cdma system is turned
>> off.
>
> No, but Tel$ra - being the bastards they are - will lock it up to penalise you.

The TIO wont let them do that, and telstra doesnt get any say what so ever on MNP rules.

> CDMA numbers they treat as THEIR property.

They cant.

> When I requested (through Optarse) the currently_not_in_use
> CDMA number with the same last 6 digits as my GSM service,
> Telst$ra advised Optarse that I could have it for a fee of $75.
> So I tossed that idea and went with a random number instead.

Different matter entirely, thats not your old number being available for
reuse on a different network after the cdma system has been turned off.

> Later enquiry for that requested number found it was
> listed as "reserved" - Tel$tra had indeed locked it up.
> Still available if I wanted to pay their fee of course.

See above.

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:48:13 +1100, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Spokes <spokesman123@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 22, 10:45 pm, "Allan Parkington"
>> <allanparking...@team.telstra.com> wrote:
>>> Fromhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/22/2097871.htm
>>>
>>> Telstra says it's confident all its Territory customers currently
>>> using its CDMA network will have similar coverage on its new Next G
>>> network.
>>>
>>> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>>>
>>> Telstra spokesman Geoff Booth says people still using the old
>>> network should buy their new handsets and other equipment as soon as
>>> they can.
>>>
>>> He says no matter where people live in the Territory, if they had
>>> CDMA coverage, they'll also have coverage under Next G.
>>>
>>> "We drove 12,000 kilometres testing the CDMA network versus the Next
>>> G network. We've declared to government that we have network
>>> equivalence and we are very, very confident that that is the case."
>
>> I like to see results by an independent tester before I'm convinced of the network coverage.
>
>> At this stage it looks like Jan 28 is still the cut-off date.
>
>Unlikely that the ACMA will have decided that Telstra aint lying by then.
>
>> Switch over to GSM/NextG or else you lose your CDMA number.
>
>No need to do that for months, makes more sense to wait until we see what happens on that date.
>
>> Once its gone, it's gone.
>
>Wrong, the number doesnt evaporate when the cdma system is turned off.

No, but Tel$ra - being the bastards they are - will lock it up to penalise you.

CDMA numbers they treat as THEIR property. When I requested (through Optarse)
the currently_not_in_use CDMA number with the same last 6 digits as my GSM
service, Telst$ra advised Optarse that I could have it for a fee of $75. So I
tossed that idea and went with a random number instead.

Later enquiry for that requested number found it was listed as "reserved" -
Tel$tra had indeed locked it up. Still available if I wanted to pay their fee
of course.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5qp3nuF1146jbU1@mid.individual.net...
> Allan Parkington <allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote:
>> "Will Kemp" <Will@xxxx.Swaggie.net> wrote in message
>> news:47468aa0$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:06:52 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:5qmcr8F10b2n7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>>>>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones that dont
>>>>> have anything good to say about telstra, fuckwit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this
>>>> NG.. Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.
>>>
>>> You've got that completely arse about face, naturally! There was
>>> never anything like as much anti-telstra opinion on this ng or
>>> aus.comms before you started posting your crap! In fact, some of the
>>> people who balance up your nonsense were posting much more
>>> pro-telstra stuff before. The anti- telstra stuff is there to
>>> balance your propaganda, not the other way round!
>
>> No,
>
> Yep.
>
>> I have been posting here for several years, just under a pseudonym. I
>> know what this group is like..
>
> You're lying about what this group is like, as always.
>

You should know. You stuffed it up.

Core2Duo <Core2Duo@theinternet.com> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5qp3nuF1146jbU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Allan Parkington <allanparkington@team.telstra.com> wrote:
>>> "Will Kemp" <Will@xxxx.Swaggie.net> wrote in message
>>> news:47468aa0$0$25392$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.a u...
>>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 03:06:52 +0000, Allan Parkington wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:5qmcr8F10b2n7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> Yep, when you only ever quote the ones that have anything
>>>>>> good to say about telstra, and never ever quote the ones that
>>>>>> dont have anything good to say about telstra, fuckwit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Only to "balance up" the anti-telstra diatribe which infects this
>>>>> NG.. Someone needs to inject a voice of reason in this debate.
>>>>
>>>> You've got that completely arse about face, naturally! There was
>>>> never anything like as much anti-telstra opinion on this ng or
>>>> aus.comms before you started posting your crap! In fact, some of
>>>> the people who balance up your nonsense were posting much more
>>>> pro-telstra stuff before. The anti- telstra stuff is there to
>>>> balance your propaganda, not the other way round!
>>
>>> No,
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>> I have been posting here for several years, just under a pseudonym.
>>> I know what this group is like..
>>
>> You're lying about what this group is like, as always.
>>
>
> You should know. You stuffed it up.

Irrelevant to his bare faced lies. Even someone as stupid as
you should have noticed Mikey sticking up for telstra in here.

>> The CDMA network will stop working on January 28.
>>
> Nope, it will stop working when the government tells them they can do
> that.

It gets turned off on 28/1/8 UNLESS the Govt directly orders them not to.

No evidence yet that they will. They have set themself up legally to do it,
but no guarantee they will

I reckon they will be silent

"Jonathan Wilson" <jfwfreo@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message
news:47458c0f$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> No government should be telling a private business that it has to maintain
> a service (i.e CDMA) that it no longer wishes to maintain. Telstra is a
> private business and has the right to decide to stop offering services
> just like any other private business.

Agreed

> The government should butt out and let the marketplace sort itself out. If

Agreed

> if the market wants eggs. If an airline stops flying to a given airport,
> another airline will come in and fly to that airport if the market wants
> to fly to that airport. And if Telstra stops providing cellphone service
> to a given location, another carrier will step in and provide that service
> if the market wants cell service in that location.

Agreed

"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:474587a3$0$26103$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>
> "Jonathan Wilson" <jfwfreo@tpgi.com.au> wrote in message
> news:47458c0f$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> No government should be telling a private business that it has to
>> maintain a service (i.e CDMA) that it no longer wishes to maintain.
>> Telstra is a private business and has the right to decide to stop
>> offering services just like any other private business.
>
> Wrong answer. As a telco, Telstra needs to hold a carrier licence, and the
> Commonwealth can add conditions or requirements that the licence holders
> needs to meet.

No one is claiming the Govt is acting illegally, just claiming they should
fuck off and keep their sticky fingers out

>> Any private business should be free to stop offering any product or
>> service without government interference. For example, an airline should
>> be free to discontinue any routes that it decides to discontinue, a
>> retail store should be free to stop carrying any item that it currently
>> carries. And, like those other businesses, a mobile phone provider should
>> be free to stop supporting any networks, protocols, technologies, phones
>> or services that they choose to stop supporting.
>
> That would be fine, however Telstra is an ex-government monopoly that
> would stomp on all competition otherwise.

crap

>> The only time the government should step in is if a company is abusing
>> its power to ensure that services are not provided to people that want
>> said
>
> Telstra has along history of abusing power; th TIO figures are plain
> enought to demonstrate this.

crap. on a per SIO basis, Telstra's figures are great.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5qm2d2Fvv3a8U1@mid.individual.net...
> Jonathan Wilson <jfwfreo@tpgi.com.au> wrote:
>
>> No government should be telling a private business that it has to
>> maintain a service (i.e CDMA) that it no longer wishes to maintain.
>
> Wrong when its a monopoly that the govt has partially funded.

30 or so bases out of 1500(?) is nothing.

And they werent "govt funded" per se, they were Govt projects that the Govt
tendered, on a basis that the Govt pays the capital cost and Telstra the
ongoings.

Which gave unviable country towns real mobile coverage for the first time.

A win-win scenario

> If telstra didnt like that, it shouldnt have accepted any govt funding.

It wasnt up to them

They tendered and the Govt gets to decide.

>> Telstra is a private business and has the right to decide to stop
>> offering services just like any other private business.
>
> Any other private business cant necessarily do that unless they
> are prepared to offer a full refund to those who they didnt inform
> that they were only going to be providing that particular service
> until it suited them to shaft their customers by turning it off.

Crap shit.

I walk into Coles and they no longer sell the bread I like. I dont have any
right to complain.

If I was under a contract to buy my bread there, they would release me from
it. just like telstra is doing, voluntarily, in the sense that they will
waive your ETC now, even though the network isnt ending today

>> For example, an airline should be free to discontinue any routes that it
>> decides to discontinue,
>
> Depends on whether the govt has funded that route.

Which the Govt hasnt done for telstra in any way

>> a retail store should be free to stop carrying any item that it currently
>> carries. And, like those other businesses, a mobile phone provider should
>> be free to stop supporting any networks, protocols, technologies, phones
>> or services that they choose to stop supporting.
>
> Not if they didnt make it clear to the suckers they flogged that network
> to that it could be turned off at any time on a whim and the customers

I dont think ~2 years lead time is a whim.

When you buy a phone on contract you buy it on the basis that the network
must exist ONLY FOR THE LENGTH of the contract.

And if it doesnt, you get to break the contract and walk.

Thats what will happen with CDMA closure. There is no implied "network
lifespan"

>> If a private business does not provide services that consumers want,
>> someone else will step in and provide it as long as the demand is there.
>> e.g. if a shop stops selling eggs, someone else will step in and start
>> selling eggs if the market wants eggs.
>
> Then there's the real world where the govt chose to hand
> great piles of money to telstra to put in cdma bases where

It was a fart in the bath

> telstra would not otherwise bother to put in a base. And
> telstra was very happy to accept that money and spend it.

Because without that money the area was unviable