> Been reading a bit about the forthcoming release
> of the Nokia N97, a supposed iPhone challenger.
> Just wondering if anyone here is considering it and if so, why?
Mainly because I dont like the limitations of the iphones and do like
a decent touch screen now that I have gotten so used to it with the
GPSs and I have always believed that Nokia does a much better
job of a decent intuitive user interface than anyone else with mobiles.
On 07/01/2009 01:34 AM, Marts wrote:
> Been reading a bit about the forthcoming release of the Nokia N97, a supposed
> iPhone challenger.
>
> Just wondering if anyone here is considering it and if so, why?
No - because it's got a physical keyboard, which adds weight, bulk, and
unnecessary complexity. Physical keys are obsolete now - touch screen
virtual keyboards are a massive improvement. I'd wait till Nokia bring
out an equivalent with a touch screen and no keyboard. The quality of
the 5800 is an indication that Nokia's next one will be good.
>> Been reading a bit about the forthcoming release of the Nokia N97, a supposed iPhone challenger.
>> Just wondering if anyone here is considering it and if so, why?
> No - because it's got a physical keyboard, which adds weight, bulk,
> and unnecessary complexity. Physical keys are obsolete now - touch screen virtual keyboards are a massive improvement.
Trouble with that approach is that there is nowhere
to show the text you are replying to etc.
> I'd wait till Nokia bring out an equivalent with a touch screen and no keyboard.
It would make more sense to do a decent voice to text instead.
> The quality of the 5800 is an indication that Nokia's next one will be good.
Will Kemp wrote:
> On 07/01/2009 01:34 AM, Marts wrote:
>> Been reading a bit about the forthcoming release of the Nokia N97, a
>> supposed iPhone challenger.
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone here is considering it and if so, why?
>
> No - because it's got a physical keyboard, which adds weight, bulk,
> and unnecessary complexity.
Utter ****. The mechanical complexity decreases at the expense of software
and processing complexity.
> Physical keys are obsolete now
LOL.
> touch
> screen virtual keyboards are a massive improvement.
Says you. There are lots of cases where touch screens are ****ing useless.
Try using one at the beach in the middle of summer when you can't see the
'keys'.
> I'd wait till
> Nokia bring out an equivalent with a touch screen and no keyboard.
> No - because it's got a physical keyboard, which adds weight, bulk, and
> unnecessary complexity. Physical keys are obsolete now - touch screen
One of the bigger complaints about the iPhone was its virtual keyboard. I wonder
if it's been improved with the 3GS. No-one seems to be commenting on it. If it
has, then great.
As for a physical keyboard being "obsolete", dunno if this is the case. The
major smartphones still have them. I'd say that for serious business users who
use them a lot for email, they'd be hard to get rid of.
The dimensions of the phone are similar to my PDA which isn't that bulky. In
fact, just eyeballing my PDA with a steel rule the N97 is 2mm thinner.
Still, I can't really comment until I've actually played with one.
I'm waiting for Optus to introduce it into its range and to see what it will
cost. It does 900/2100 megs UTMS so it'll be ideal for its "Yes G" network as
well as its existing 2100 meg 3G. There's nothing yet to indicate that Telstra
will be carrying it and if it did it'd be hideously expensive, anyway.
If Rod Speed's still around I wonder if he's still got his N95. He was using
some database arrangement with it I think. Just curious to find out what. I run
DDH's Handbase with my PDA and it is now available for iPhone and Symbian OS. I
may port it over, but if there's another decent DB out there I'll give that a
shot.
My favorite was ThinkDB/Smartlist for the PalmOS but it's not ported over to
WinMob or iPhone or Symbian. So it's out as a choice.
Marts wrote:
> Will Kemp wrote...
>
>> No - because it's got a physical keyboard, which adds weight, bulk,
>> and unnecessary complexity. Physical keys are obsolete now - touch
>> screen
>
> One of the bigger complaints about the iPhone was its virtual
> keyboard. I wonder if it's been improved with the 3GS. No-one seems
> to be commenting on it. If it has, then great.
>
> As for a physical keyboard being "obsolete", dunno if this is the
> case. The major smartphones still have them. I'd say that for serious
> business users who use them a lot for email, they'd be hard to get
> rid of.
>
> The dimensions of the phone are similar to my PDA which isn't that
> bulky. In fact, just eyeballing my PDA with a steel rule the N97 is
> 2mm thinner.
>
> Still, I can't really comment until I've actually played with one.
>
> I'm waiting for Optus to introduce it into its range and to see what
> it will cost. It does 900/2100 megs UTMS so it'll be ideal for its
> "Yes G" network as well as its existing 2100 meg 3G. There's nothing
> yet to indicate that Telstra will be carrying it and if it did it'd
> be hideously expensive, anyway.
> If Rod Speed's still around I wonder if he's still got his N95.
> He was using some database arrangement with it I think.
Just for access to what I have in databases already.
> Just curious to find out what.
Access databases on the main system.
> I run DDH's Handbase with my PDA and it is now available
> for iPhone and Symbian OS. I may port it over, but if
> there's another decent DB out there I'll give that a shot.
I dont run a database system on the N95.
> My favorite was ThinkDB/Smartlist for the PalmOS but it's not
> ported over to WinMob or iPhone or Symbian. So it's out as a choice.
> As for a physical keyboard being "obsolete", dunno if this is the case. The
> major smartphones still have them. I'd say that for serious business users who
> use them a lot for email, they'd be hard to get rid of.
I haven't used a phone with a physical qwerty keyboard, but they look
pretty crappy. I wrote a 700 word article using the virtual keyboard of
my 5800 and i found it quite acceptable. I touch type and i find with
practice i can type acceptably quickly on the virtual keyboard by using
the corners of the tips of my index fingers. It's got a good physical
feedback system and you can feel when you've hit a key - and you can
often also feel when you've made a typo.
> I'm waiting for Optus to introduce it into its range and to see what it will
> cost. It does 900/2100 megs UTMS so it'll be ideal for its "Yes G" network as
> well as its existing 2100 meg 3G.
That contributed to my decision to buy it. I considered the G2, but its
frequency coverage isn't much good.
> > I'm waiting for Optus to introduce it into its range and to see what it will
> > cost. It does 900/2100 megs UTMS so it'll be ideal for its "Yes G" network as
> > well as its existing 2100 meg 3G.
>
> That contributed to my decision to buy it. I considered the G2, but its
> frequency coverage isn't much good.
G2? If you mean Yes G, how do you know that it's coverage isn't that good? I'm
not aware of any issues with it, but I am assuming that it's still being rolled
out. Its coverage maps suggest a fairly wide coverage for Vic and SE NSW, places
where I'd need it the most.
On 07/09/2009 10:02 AM, Marts wrote:
> Will Kemp wrote...
>
>>> I'm waiting for Optus to introduce it into its range and to see what it will
>>> cost. It does 900/2100 megs UTMS so it'll be ideal for its "Yes G" network as
>>> well as its existing 2100 meg 3G.
>> That contributed to my decision to buy it. I considered the G2, but its
>> frequency coverage isn't much good.
>
> G2? If you mean Yes G,
I don't. I was talking about the Google phone 2, the HTC Magic. But i
must have been thinking of one of the other ones i checked out at that
time, because the HTC's got 900/2100 as well.
Nokia N97 - thoughts? 
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