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Old 10-26-2009, 09:54 AM
Aussie Bob
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Default Now for something different: Telstra ripped off

From
http://www.smh.com.au/business/now-f...0915-fote.html

Just because Sol Trujillo has departed, it doesn't mean Australia is
without a telecommunications bully capable of flying off the handle and
needlessly trashing relationships without due regard to a more reasonable
culture of negotiation and consensus-building.

Stepping up to take Trujillo's title as chief head-kicker is one Senator
Stephen Conroy. And there's a good chance that he'd take that description as
a compliment.

Conroy's form as a Labor factional bovver boy is on display in his
rambunctious "my way or the highway" ultimatum to Telstra shareholders. In
some ways it's a shame Trujillo isn't still around - his response would have
been memorable.

What's missing from Conroy's swinging attack on private property rights in
his attempt to promote greater competition is the necessary admission of
culpability: the perceived problem of Telstra competing with those who would
like to have access to the network Telstra owns is all the Labor
government's fault - not the fault of Telstra's shareholders who are now
being ordered by Comrade Conroy to suck it up for the greater good.

No, not the fault of this Labor Government, but the previous one that
stuffed up Telstra's privatisation in the first place. It's a bit rich that
Conroy now wants to fix his predecessors' mistake by lumbering the cost and
loss of rights onto the people Canberra encouraged to buy Telstra shares.

It's a basic principle of half-decent government that if it wants to acquire
property from individuals, it must fairly compensate them. There's zero hint
of that in Conroy's ultimatum to Telstra to functionally separate, to treat
its competitors as nicely as its own customers, to facilitate the
cherry-picking of key customers while still having to provide an onerous
"Universal Service Obligation" and quit its Foxtel holding and ownership of
the hybrid cable Foxtel uses.

That Conroy is taking a cricket bat to the heads of Telstra shareholders
when he's yet to work out just how his National Broadband Network thingy
might really function is simply thuggish.

Conroy has talents, but calm and reasoned administration tends not to be
mentioned as one of them.

There is a great and somewhat inevitable opportunity - or there was until
today - to reasonably fix the mistake made by Kim Beazley and Paul Keating
through the NBN process. Telstra's network could fairly form the backbone of
the NBN at a great saving to taxpayers and at a fair price to Telstra
shareholders.

Perhaps Conroy is just applying Beijing-style leverage to those
negotiations.

Forcing Telstra to sell its Foxtel stake is somewhat more interesting and
lacks the clear "greater good" argument that can be applied to functional
and perhaps actual separation.

And making Telstra a forced seller with Murdoch and Packer having first dibs
is a dubious proposition. Is this why Kerry Stokes has been so keen at get a
slice of Packer's Foxtel pie?

There's also a degree of injustice for those with long memories. Telstra was
the patsy in the Foxtel syndicate, losing a fortune rolling out the cable
while Murdoch and Packer made a fortune selling content to run on the cable.

Given the constant attacks on the Rudd Government by Murdoch media, one is
left to wonder why Conroy would now want to do that camp such a big favour.


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Old 10-26-2009, 01:51 PM
Acacia
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Default Re: Now for something different: Telstra ripped off

Do try to keep up Boob, that article is over a month old.
Here's the latest
Senate enquiry approves Telstra reforms
A Senate committee has given the green light to the federal government's
plan to break up Telstra.

The Senate Environment, Communications and the Arts Legislation Committee
issued a report on Monday which recommended the government's draft laws be
passed without delay.

"The Committee accepts the view of the government and most industry
stakeholders that the separation of Telstra will bring long term benefits,"
the report concluded.

The report said there was not enough evidence that the reforms would damage
Telstra's share price.

The reforms are part of the government's plan to roll out a national
broadband network.



"Aussie Bob" <aussiebob@telstra,com.au> wrote in message
news:4ae571f4$0$6092$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
> From
> http://www.smh.com.au/business/now-f...0915-fote.html
>
> Just because Sol Trujillo has departed, it doesn't mean Australia is
> without a telecommunications bully capable of flying off the handle and
> needlessly trashing relationships without due regard to a more reasonable
> culture of negotiation and consensus-building.
>
> Stepping up to take Trujillo's title as chief head-kicker is one Senator
> Stephen Conroy. And there's a good chance that he'd take that description
> as a compliment.
>
> Conroy's form as a Labor factional bovver boy is on display in his
> rambunctious "my way or the highway" ultimatum to Telstra shareholders. In
> some ways it's a shame Trujillo isn't still around - his response would
> have been memorable.
>
> What's missing from Conroy's swinging attack on private property rights in
> his attempt to promote greater competition is the necessary admission of
> culpability: the perceived problem of Telstra competing with those who
> would like to have access to the network Telstra owns is all the Labor
> government's fault - not the fault of Telstra's shareholders who are now
> being ordered by Comrade Conroy to suck it up for the greater good.
>
> No, not the fault of this Labor Government, but the previous one that
> stuffed up Telstra's privatisation in the first place. It's a bit rich
> that Conroy now wants to fix his predecessors' mistake by lumbering the
> cost and loss of rights onto the people Canberra encouraged to buy Telstra
> shares.
>
> It's a basic principle of half-decent government that if it wants to
> acquire property from individuals, it must fairly compensate them. There's
> zero hint of that in Conroy's ultimatum to Telstra to functionally
> separate, to treat its competitors as nicely as its own customers, to
> facilitate the cherry-picking of key customers while still having to
> provide an onerous "Universal Service Obligation" and quit its Foxtel
> holding and ownership of the hybrid cable Foxtel uses.
>
> That Conroy is taking a cricket bat to the heads of Telstra shareholders
> when he's yet to work out just how his National Broadband Network thingy
> might really function is simply thuggish.
>
> Conroy has talents, but calm and reasoned administration tends not to be
> mentioned as one of them.
>
> There is a great and somewhat inevitable opportunity - or there was until
> today - to reasonably fix the mistake made by Kim Beazley and Paul Keating
> through the NBN process. Telstra's network could fairly form the backbone
> of the NBN at a great saving to taxpayers and at a fair price to Telstra
> shareholders.
>
> Perhaps Conroy is just applying Beijing-style leverage to those
> negotiations.
>
> Forcing Telstra to sell its Foxtel stake is somewhat more interesting and
> lacks the clear "greater good" argument that can be applied to functional
> and perhaps actual separation.
>
> And making Telstra a forced seller with Murdoch and Packer having first
> dibs is a dubious proposition. Is this why Kerry Stokes has been so keen
> at get a slice of Packer's Foxtel pie?
>
> There's also a degree of injustice for those with long memories. Telstra
> was the patsy in the Foxtel syndicate, losing a fortune rolling out the
> cable while Murdoch and Packer made a fortune selling content to run on
> the cable.
>
> Given the constant attacks on the Rudd Government by Murdoch media, one is
> left to wonder why Conroy would now want to do that camp such a big
> favour.





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Old 10-26-2009, 08:53 PM
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Aussie Blob wrote:
> From
> http://www.smh.com.au/business/now-f...0915-fote.html
>
> Just because Sol Trujillo has departed, it doesn't mean Australia is
> without a telecommunications bully capable of flying off the handle
> and needlessly trashing relationships without due regard to a more
> reasonable culture of negotiation and consensus-building.
>
> Stepping up to take Trujillo's title as chief head-kicker is one
> Senator Stephen Conroy. And there's a good chance that he'd take that
> description as a compliment.
>
> Conroy's form as a Labor factional bovver boy is on display in his
> rambunctious "my way or the highway" ultimatum to Telstra
> shareholders. In some ways it's a shame Trujillo isn't still around -
> his response would have been memorable.
>
> What's missing from Conroy's swinging attack on private property
> rights in his attempt to promote greater competition is the necessary
> admission of culpability: the perceived problem of Telstra competing
> with those who would like to have access to the network Telstra owns
> is all the Labor government's fault - not the fault of Telstra's
> shareholders who are now being ordered by Comrade Conroy to suck it
> up for the greater good.
> No, not the fault of this Labor Government, but the previous one that
> stuffed up Telstra's privatisation in the first place. It's a bit
> rich that Conroy now wants to fix his predecessors' mistake by
> lumbering the cost and loss of rights onto the people Canberra
> encouraged to buy Telstra shares.
> It's a basic principle of half-decent government that if it wants to
> acquire property from individuals, it must fairly compensate them.
> There's zero hint of that in Conroy's ultimatum to Telstra to
> functionally separate, to treat its competitors as nicely as its own
> customers, to facilitate the cherry-picking of key customers while
> still having to provide an onerous "Universal Service Obligation" and
> quit its Foxtel holding and ownership of the hybrid cable Foxtel uses.
>
> That Conroy is taking a cricket bat to the heads of Telstra
> shareholders when he's yet to work out just how his National
> Broadband Network thingy might really function is simply thuggish.
>
> Conroy has talents, but calm and reasoned administration tends not to
> be mentioned as one of them.
>
> There is a great and somewhat inevitable opportunity - or there was
> until today - to reasonably fix the mistake made by Kim Beazley and
> Paul Keating through the NBN process. Telstra's network could fairly
> form the backbone of the NBN at a great saving to taxpayers and at a
> fair price to Telstra shareholders.
>
> Perhaps Conroy is just applying Beijing-style leverage to those
> negotiations.
>
> Forcing Telstra to sell its Foxtel stake is somewhat more interesting
> and lacks the clear "greater good" argument that can be applied to
> functional and perhaps actual separation.
>
> And making Telstra a forced seller with Murdoch and Packer having
> first dibs is a dubious proposition. Is this why Kerry Stokes has
> been so keen at get a slice of Packer's Foxtel pie?


> There's also a degree of injustice for those with long memories.
> Telstra was the patsy in the Foxtel syndicate, losing a fortune
> rolling out the cable while Murdoch and Packer made a fortune selling content to run on the cable.


Like hell either of them did.

> Given the constant attacks on the Rudd Government by Murdoch media, one is left to wonder why Conroy would now want to
> do that camp such a big favour.


He doesnt. He just wants to shaft Telstra, stupid.



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Old 10-26-2009, 08:55 PM
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Acacia wrote:

> Do try to keep up Boob, that article is over a month old.
> Here's the latest
> Senate enquiry approves Telstra reforms
> A Senate committee has given the green light to the federal
> government's plan to break up Telstra.


> The Senate Environment, Communications and the Arts Legislation
> Committee issued a report on Monday which recommended the
> government's draft laws be passed without delay.


Doesnt matter a damn what it 'recommended', it aint gunna happen, you watch.

> "The Committee accepts the view of the government and most industry stakeholders that the separation of Telstra will
> bring long term benefits," the report concluded.


Wota surprise.

> The report said there was not enough evidence that the reforms would damage Telstra's share price.


> The reforms are part of the government's plan to roll out a national broadband network.


And aint gunna make it thru the senate, you watch.


> "Aussie Bob" <aussiebob@telstra,com.au> wrote in message
> news:4ae571f4$0$6092$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au ...
>> From
>> http://www.smh.com.au/business/now-f...0915-fote.html
>>
>> Just because Sol Trujillo has departed, it doesn't mean Australia is
>> without a telecommunications bully capable of flying off the handle
>> and needlessly trashing relationships without due regard to a more
>> reasonable culture of negotiation and consensus-building.
>>
>> Stepping up to take Trujillo's title as chief head-kicker is one
>> Senator Stephen Conroy. And there's a good chance that he'd take
>> that description as a compliment.
>>
>> Conroy's form as a Labor factional bovver boy is on display in his
>> rambunctious "my way or the highway" ultimatum to Telstra
>> shareholders. In some ways it's a shame Trujillo isn't still around
>> - his response would have been memorable.
>>
>> What's missing from Conroy's swinging attack on private property
>> rights in his attempt to promote greater competition is the
>> necessary admission of culpability: the perceived problem of Telstra
>> competing with those who would like to have access to the network
>> Telstra owns is all the Labor government's fault - not the fault of
>> Telstra's shareholders who are now being ordered by Comrade Conroy
>> to suck it up for the greater good. No, not the fault of this Labor Government, but the previous one that
>> stuffed up Telstra's privatisation in the first place. It's a bit
>> rich that Conroy now wants to fix his predecessors' mistake by
>> lumbering the cost and loss of rights onto the people Canberra
>> encouraged to buy Telstra shares.
>>
>> It's a basic principle of half-decent government that if it wants to
>> acquire property from individuals, it must fairly compensate them.
>> There's zero hint of that in Conroy's ultimatum to Telstra to
>> functionally separate, to treat its competitors as nicely as its own
>> customers, to facilitate the cherry-picking of key customers while
>> still having to provide an onerous "Universal Service Obligation"
>> and quit its Foxtel holding and ownership of the hybrid cable Foxtel
>> uses. That Conroy is taking a cricket bat to the heads of Telstra
>> shareholders when he's yet to work out just how his National
>> Broadband Network thingy might really function is simply thuggish.
>>
>> Conroy has talents, but calm and reasoned administration tends not
>> to be mentioned as one of them.
>>
>> There is a great and somewhat inevitable opportunity - or there was
>> until today - to reasonably fix the mistake made by Kim Beazley and
>> Paul Keating through the NBN process. Telstra's network could fairly
>> form the backbone of the NBN at a great saving to taxpayers and at a
>> fair price to Telstra shareholders.
>>
>> Perhaps Conroy is just applying Beijing-style leverage to those
>> negotiations.
>>
>> Forcing Telstra to sell its Foxtel stake is somewhat more
>> interesting and lacks the clear "greater good" argument that can be
>> applied to functional and perhaps actual separation.
>>
>> And making Telstra a forced seller with Murdoch and Packer having
>> first dibs is a dubious proposition. Is this why Kerry Stokes has
>> been so keen at get a slice of Packer's Foxtel pie?
>>
>> There's also a degree of injustice for those with long memories.
>> Telstra was the patsy in the Foxtel syndicate, losing a fortune
>> rolling out the cable while Murdoch and Packer made a fortune
>> selling content to run on the cable.
>>
>> Given the constant attacks on the Rudd Government by Murdoch media,
>> one is left to wonder why Conroy would now want to do that camp such
>> a big favour.




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Old 10-27-2009, 06:28 AM
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Phil,
posting old articles - you are getting desperate.



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Old 10-27-2009, 06:32 AM
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:54:59 +0800, "Aussie Bob"
<aussiebob@telstra,com.au> wrote:

>From
>http://www.smh.com.au/business/now-f...0915-fote.html
>

(snippo)

>It's a bit rich that
>Conroy now wants to fix his predecessors' mistake by lumbering the cost and
>loss of rights onto the people Canberra encouraged to buy Telstra shares.
>
>It's a basic principle of half-decent government that if it wants to acquire
>property from individuals, it must fairly compensate them.


The Kruddites are about "acquiring" anything, just separating. Like
you and your brain have seemingly long been separated.

There have been many forced separations in the past. What it means is
if you currently own say 10,000 shares in TLS you would most likely
hold 10K of TLS wholesale and 10K of TLS retail after the spilt. Big
deal, whoopy-****ing-do. Let's face it, separating Telstra into bits
still leaves the current owners owning all the bits. Any acquisition
would then be from the owners of those_bits - the current owners aka
shareholders.

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