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Old 05-13-2008, 09:00 AM
Alan Parkington
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Default NZ and Britain's broadband disgrace

From

http://www.nowwearetalking.com.au/bl...dband-disgrace



New global broadband rankings (www.viewswire.com) released this week show
the UK is paying the price for its failed experiment in trying to break up
the incumbent telco BT.

The now not-so-great Britain has slipped behind Australia on the internet
superhighway. It really is a disgrace when you consider the country of 50
million plus people live in in an area smaller than our state of Victoria.

The only country that's tried importing the bureaucratic UK model, New
Zealand, has gone even further backwards. Soon we'll be sending food parcels
across the Tasman.

As Telstra and other major telcos in the developed world prepare to build
next generation fibre networks, the UK and NZ telcos are focussing their
efforts on satisfying regulators with more important tasks like making sure
their wholesale staff don't share the same toilets as the rest of the
company.

It's easy to see why Telstra's competitors would like to see the same happen
here in Australia. They know it would weaken Telstra and delay investment in
FTTN for a couple more years. Meanwhile they can keep raking in the profits
thanks to the cheap prices they pay to access the old copper network
courtesy of the ACCC.

It was amusing this week to see one of those piggy backers crying poor while
announcing his decision to turn his back on the people of Tasmania
(www.news.com.au).

Simon Hackett is the 100 percent private owner of Internode, one of the most
successful ISPs in Australia, making him one of the wealthiest men in South
Australia.

But Mr Hackett has decided the profits are not rich enough in Tasmania and
so he'd rather not do business there. Rather than just admit he wants to
keep his roots firmly planted in home-town Adelaide, Hackett had the hide to
blame Telstra for his business decision!

Worse still, many people in Tassie fell for Hackett's propaganda. Even the
Premier cried foul (www.news.com.au), saying "Tasmanian business pays far
too much for telecommunications access --- principally the blame for that
lies at the feet of Telstra." Mr Lennon overlooked the fact that Telstra has
invested more in Tassie than almost any other company and charges the same
telecommunications prices across Australia, whether you're in Hobart or
downtown Sydney.

If Mr Lennon wants more competition and choice to the people of Tasmania,
all he need do ask Mr Hackett to open up his wallet and actually invest some
of his vast wealth in the necessary infrastructure.

The reality is that Tasmania is one of the most difficult and high-cost
parts of Australia to serve. It just doesn't fit in with the big city
business models of most of Telstra's competitors, while the ACCC's insane
model of regulation actually encourages Telstra's competitors to avoid
regional areas.

It's no surprise these companies sit on their cheque books and paint Telstra
as the evil culprit. Business, after all, was never meant to be a picnic.
It's embarrassing though when journalists and politicians fall for the
propaganda and oafishly overlook where the real problem lies.

Finally though some very welcome news from the company that pioneered the
'blame Telstra" model - Optus this week revealing it would divert some
profits away from its Singapore owners and begin to extend its slow and
miniscule mobile network to regional Australia.

This of course is SingTel's 'Plan C', coming after the failure of 'Plan A' -
asking the ACCC for piggyback rights on Telstra's Next GT network - and the
subsequent failure of Plan B - the billion dollar Coonan OPEL debacle.

It's good to see SingTel step up to the mark, but shameful to see the
company claim its investment will see it "come close to matching"
(www.itwire.com) Telstra's Next GT network.

Should Plan C be successful, (and we'll wait a couple more years to find
out), SingTel's network will still only be half the size and half the speed
of Telstra's.


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Old 05-13-2008, 09:32 AM
Will Kemp
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On Tue, 13 May 2008, Alan Parkington <brownnose@isuckseppos.com> wrote:

> From
>
> http://www.nowwearetalkingcrap.com.a...-phile/nz-and-

britains-broadband-disgrace

Why would anyone but a fool expect anyone to take any notice of what "now
we are talking crap" says about anything?

> New global broadband rankings (www.viewswire.com) released this week
> show the UK is paying the price for its failed experiment in trying to
> break up the incumbent telco BT.


Bollocks it is. Breaking up BT has dramatically improved the performance
of the constituent parts of those companies. BT broadband is still as
lumbering and piss-taking as tel$cum's is though. But O2, the ex BT
mobile arm is shitloads better than tel$cum's pathetic excuse for a
"service".

> The now not-so-great Britain has slipped behind Australia on the
> internet superhighway.


No figures or any information at all to back that up then??? It's
complete bollocks, of course. Broadband in the UK is cheaper and faster
than in Australia - and, importantly, the international net
infrastructure is orders of magnitude better than Australia's. Of course
that isn't surprising, given the population of Europe and the proximity
of countries to each other, and the relative closeness of the US.

> It really is a disgrace when you consider the
> country of 50 million plus people live in in an area smaller than our
> state of Victoria.


What point are you trying to make, exactly?

> The only country that's tried importing the bureaucratic UK model, New
> Zealand, has gone even further backwards. Soon we'll be sending food
> parcels across the Tasman.


Is that right? And what are you basing that bizarre theory on?

> As Telstra and other major telcos in the developed world prepare to
> build next generation fibre networks, the UK and NZ telcos are focussing
> their efforts on satisfying regulators with more important tasks like
> making sure their wholesale staff don't share the same toilets as the
> rest of the company.


Oh, i see. This "article" is nothing to do with reality at all, it's just
some badly written and meaninglessly drivelling puff for tel$cum. Fancy
that. I really can't be bothered reading any more of this nonsense..

> It's easy to see why Telstra's competitors would like to see the same
> happen here in Australia. They know it would weaken Telstra and delay
> investment in FTTN for a couple more years. Meanwhile they can keep
> raking in the profits thanks to the cheap prices they pay to access the
> old copper network courtesy of the ACCC.
>
> It was amusing this week to see one of those piggy backers crying poor
> while announcing his decision to turn his back on the people of Tasmania
> (www.news.com.au).
>
> Simon Hackett is the 100 percent private owner of Internode, one of the
> most successful ISPs in Australia, making him one of the wealthiest men
> in South Australia.
>
> But Mr Hackett has decided the profits are not rich enough in Tasmania
> and so he'd rather not do business there. Rather than just admit he
> wants to keep his roots firmly planted in home-town Adelaide, Hackett
> had the hide to blame Telstra for his business decision!
>
> Worse still, many people in Tassie fell for Hackett's propaganda. Even
> the Premier cried foul (www.news.com.au), saying "Tasmanian business
> pays far too much for telecommunications access --- principally the
> blame for that lies at the feet of Telstra." Mr Lennon overlooked the
> fact that Telstra has invested more in Tassie than almost any other
> company and charges the same telecommunications prices across Australia,
> whether you're in Hobart or downtown Sydney.
>
> If Mr Lennon wants more competition and choice to the people of
> Tasmania, all he need do ask Mr Hackett to open up his wallet and
> actually invest some of his vast wealth in the necessary infrastructure.
>
> The reality is that Tasmania is one of the most difficult and high-cost
> parts of Australia to serve. It just doesn't fit in with the big city
> business models of most of Telstra's competitors, while the ACCC's
> insane model of regulation actually encourages Telstra's competitors to
> avoid regional areas.
>
> It's no surprise these companies sit on their cheque books and paint
> Telstra as the evil culprit. Business, after all, was never meant to be
> a picnic. It's embarrassing though when journalists and politicians fall
> for the propaganda and oafishly overlook where the real problem lies.
>
> Finally though some very welcome news from the company that pioneered
> the 'blame Telstra" model - Optus this week revealing it would divert
> some profits away from its Singapore owners and begin to extend its slow
> and miniscule mobile network to regional Australia.
>
> This of course is SingTel's 'Plan C', coming after the failure of 'Plan
> A' - asking the ACCC for piggyback rights on Telstra's Next GT network -
> and the subsequent failure of Plan B - the billion dollar Coonan OPEL
> debacle.
>
> It's good to see SingTel step up to the mark, but shameful to see the
> company claim its investment will see it "come close to matching"
> (www.itwire.com) Telstra's Next GT network.
>
> Should Plan C be successful, (and we'll wait a couple more years to find
> out), SingTel's network will still only be half the size and half the
> speed of Telstra's.


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Old 05-13-2008, 09:40 AM
Rod Speed
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Alan Poxington <wanker@iarseaustralia.com.au> wrote

> From
> http://www.nowwearetalking.com.au/bl...dband-disgrace


Wota stunningly impeccible source...

> New global broadband rankings


From a complete pack of stupid wankers...

> (www.viewswire.com) released this week show the UK is paying the price for its failed experiment in trying to break up
> the incumbent telco BT.


Lie.

> The now not-so-great Britain has slipped behind Australia on the internet superhighway.


Lie.

> It really is a disgrace when you consider the country of 50 million plus people live in in an area smaller than our
> state of Victoria.


Pity yours is a lie.

> The only country that's tried importing the bureaucratic UK model, New Zealand, has gone even further backwards.


Lie.

> Soon we'll be sending food parcels across the Tasman.


Much more food goes the other way, fuckwit.

> As Telstra and other major telcos in the developed world prepare to build next generation fibre networks,


Another lie.

> the UK and NZ telcos are focussing their efforts on satisfying regulators with more important tasks like making sure
> their wholesale staff don't share the same toilets as the rest of the company.


And Labor is about to shaft you clowns the same way, you watch.

> It's easy to see why Telstra's competitors would like to see the same happen here in Australia.


Then there's what Labor has planned...

> They know it would weaken Telstra


Thats what they want, fuckwit.

> and delay investment in FTTN for a couple more years.


Another lie.

> Meanwhile they can keep raking in the profits thanks to the cheap prices they pay to access the old copper network
> courtesy of the ACCC.


Courtesy of govt policy, actually.

> It was amusing this week to see one of those piggy backers crying poor while announcing his decision to turn his back
> on the people of Tasmania (www.news.com.au).


Another bare faced lie.

> Simon Hackett is the 100 percent private owner of Internode, one of the most successful ISPs in Australia, making him
> one of the wealthiest men in South Australia.


Doesnt say much, fuckwit.

> But Mr Hackett has decided the profits are not rich enough in Tasmania and so he'd rather not do business there.


He's actually decided that he doesnt want any part of Telstra's scam.

> Rather than just admit he wants to keep his roots firmly planted in home-town
> Adelaide, Hackett had the hide to blame Telstra for his business decision!


You're a pathological liar.

> Worse still, many people in Tassie fell for Hackett's propaganda.


Everyone has noticed what you arseholes are up to.

> Even the Premier cried foul (www.news.com.au), saying "Tasmanian
> business pays far too much for telecommunications access ---
> principally the blame for that lies at the feet of Telstra."


He's right.

> Mr Lennon overlooked the fact that Telstra has invested more in Tassie
> than almost any other company and charges the same telecommunications
> prices across Australia, whether you're in Hobart or downtown Sydney.


Pity about what they charge to use their link to Tasmania, arsehole.

> If Mr Lennon wants more competition and choice to the people of
> Tasmania, all he need do ask Mr Hackett to open up his wallet and
> actually invest some of his vast wealth in the necessary infrastructure.


Or he can publicise what complete arseholes Telstra always is when they can get away with that.

Not that that is any news to anyone.

> The reality is that Tasmania is one of the most difficult and high-cost parts of Australia to serve.


Irrelevant to what you arseholes get up to.

> It just doesn't fit in with the big city business models of most of Telstra's competitors,


Clearly a pathological liar.

> while the ACCC's insane model of regulation actually encourages Telstra's competitors to avoid regional areas.


Clearly a pathological liar.

> It's no surprise these companies sit on their cheque books and paint Telstra as the evil culprit.


Yep, because thats precisely what it always is.

> Business, after all, was never meant to be a picnic.


Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

> It's embarrassing though when journalists and politicians fall for the propaganda and oafishly overlook where the real
> problem lies.


They realise where the real problem lies, with the arsehole behavior of Telstra.

Which is why you clowns will be shafted by Labor, no matter how much you squeel.

> Finally though some very welcome news from the company that pioneered the 'blame Telstra" model - Optus this week
> revealing it would divert some profits away from its Singapore owners and begin to extend its slow and miniscule
> mobile network to regional Australia.


Clearly a pathological liar.

> This of course is SingTel's 'Plan C', coming after the failure of 'Plan A' - asking the ACCC for piggyback rights on
> Telstra's Next GT network - and the subsequent failure of Plan B - the billion dollar Coonan OPEL debacle.


Bet they wont lose on the govt's $4.7B

> It's good to see SingTel step up to the mark, but shameful to see the company claim its investment will see it "come
> close to matching" (www.itwire.com) Telstra's Next GT network.


Corse you clowns never ever lie, eh ?

> Should Plan C be successful, (and we'll wait a couple more years to find out),


Nope, Labor will be shafting you clowns on that $4.7B any day now.

> SingTel's network will still only be half the size and half the speed of Telstra's.


Clearly a pathological liar.



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Old 05-13-2008, 11:57 AM
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"Alan Parkington" <patriot@iheartaustralia.com.au> wrote in message
news:qMcWj.677$IK1.563@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> From
>
> http://www.nowwearetalking.com.au/bl...dband-disgrace
>
>
>
> New global broadband rankings (www.viewswire.com) released this week show
> the UK is paying the price for its failed experiment in trying to break up
> the incumbent telco BT.
>
> The now not-so-great Britain has slipped behind Australia on the internet
> superhighway. It really is a disgrace when you consider the country of 50
> million plus people live in in an area smaller than our state of Victoria.


Well now Mr Alan Poopacker that is propaganda pure and simple.
To draw those conclusions from the linked article
http://www.viewswire.com/report_dl.a...42984.PDF&rf=0 is
dishonest.
Someone obviously has a predetermined agenda of attempting to foster
consumer discontent with Government controls.



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Old 05-13-2008, 12:59 PM
Will Kemp
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:57:34 +0000, Joe wrote:

> "Alan Parkington" <patriot@iheartaustralia.com.au> wrote in message
> news:qMcWj.677$IK1.563@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> From
>>
>> http://www.nowwearetalking.com.au/bl...-phile/nz-and-

britains-broadband-disgrace
>>
>>
>>
>> New global broadband rankings (www.viewswire.com) released this week
>> show the UK is paying the price for its failed experiment in trying to
>> break up the incumbent telco BT.
>>
>> The now not-so-great Britain has slipped behind Australia on the
>> internet superhighway. It really is a disgrace when you consider the
>> country of 50 million plus people live in in an area smaller than our
>> state of Victoria.

>
> Well now Mr Alan Poopacker that is propaganda pure and simple. To draw
> those conclusions from the linked article
> http://www.viewswire.com/report_dl.a...42984.PDF&rf=0 is
> dishonest.
> Someone obviously has a predetermined agenda of attempting to foster
> consumer discontent with Government controls.


No! Who would do that???

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Old 05-14-2008, 09:29 PM
Michael
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>> Simon Hackett is the 100 percent private owner of Internode, one of the
>> most successful ISPs in Australia, making him one of the wealthiest men
>> in South Australia.


Doesnt count for much, its South Australia after all.

He's also one of the biggest whingers I've ever seen

>> wants to keep his roots firmly planted in home-town Adelaide, Hackett
>> had the hide to blame Telstra for his business decision!


Thats his usual behaviour. See Whirlfool if you want hundreds of other
examples.

My favorite is when he whinges there is not enough room in Telstra exchanges
for one of HIS DSLAMs to suck revenue from Telstra.

His solution? TELSTRA to build a bigger exchange.

>> Worse still, many people in Tassie fell for Hackett's propaganda. Even
>> the Premier cried foul (www.news.com.au), saying "Tasmanian business
>> pays far too much for telecommunications access --- principally the
>> blame for that lies at the feet of Telstra." Mr Lennon overlooked the


Tasmanians have always been stupid

>> fact that Telstra has invested more in Tassie than almost any other
>> company and charges the same telecommunications prices across Australia,
>> whether you're in Hobart or downtown Sydney.


And that should change



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