Stolen mobile used to buy Premium SMS Habbo Hotel Credits

I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.

Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and ran up a
bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found that the thief
made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226 which were used to buy
credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe that the person was someone
from my daughter's school.

We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account
holder?

Cheers,

David


--
DavidBee
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

DavidBee <DavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote:

> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.

> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and
> ran up a bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found
> that the thief made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226
> which were used to buy credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe
> that the person was someone from my daughter's school.

> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account holder?

Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity like theft is involved.

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:46:51 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> DavidBee <DavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
>
>> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and
>> ran up a bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found
>> that the thief made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226
>> which were used to buy credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe
>> that the person was someone from my daughter's school.
>
>> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
>> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
>> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
>> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account holder?
>
> Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity like theft is involved.

Isn't "Habbo" based overseas? They may have an Australian arm, but if my
memory serves me correctly, they're based in the UK.

If that's the case, he may have trouble convincing the cops here in
Australia to arrange for the British authorities to obtain and serve a
subpoena in London -- when the subject-matter of their investigation is
$400 worth of Habbo credit. (I doubt Habbo will cough up their
subscriber's details without some form of legal process.)

My suggestion would be for the OP to fax a copy of the police report to
Habbo's head office, together with a letter explaining the situation and
requesting that the credit be refunded (enclosing a copy of the phone bill
highlighting the fraudulent purchases, etc).

He may well get fobbed off, but it'd be a better shot that expecting the
cops to start an trans-national investigation over $400. (Not that you
suggested they would do that.)

Horry <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> DavidBee <DavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote

>>> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.

>>> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and
>>> ran up a bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found
>>> that the thief made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226
>>> which were used to buy credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe
>>> that the person was someone from my daughter's school.

>>> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
>>> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
>>> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
>>> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account holder?

>> Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity like theft is involved.

> Isn't "Habbo" based overseas? They may have an Australian arm,
> but if my memory serves me correctly, they're based in the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habbo_Hotel

> If that's the case, he may have trouble convincing the cops here in
> Australia to arrange for the British authorities to obtain and serve a
> subpoena in London -- when the subject-matter of their investigation
> is $400 worth of Habbo credit. (I doubt Habbo will cough up their
> subscriber's details without some form of legal process.)

We'll see...

Its unlikely they would be stupid enough to require anything
to be served in pomland etc with something so trivial.

> My suggestion would be for the OP to fax a copy of the police
> report to Habbo's head office, together with a letter explaining the
> situation and requesting that the credit be refunded (enclosing a
> copy of the phone bill highlighting the fraudulent purchases, etc).

> He may well get fobbed off, but it'd be a better shot that expecting
> the cops to start an trans-national investigation over $400.

You havent established that any 'trans-national investigation' is involved with something so trivial.

> (Not that you suggested they would do that.)

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:57:14 DavidBee may have written:
<snip>

Just to ask the obvious, but was there any reason she didn't call up and
suspend the account as soon as she realised her mobile had been nicked?

PD

--
Paul Day

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:22:15 Horry may have written:
> > Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity
> > like theft is involved.
>
> Isn't "Habbo" based overseas? They may have an Australian arm, but if my
> memory serves me correctly, they're based in the UK.

Finland.

They used to be registered in VIC and NSW, but they've since been
removed. Good luck to the local cops on this one. I doubt they're going
to be calling their counterparts in Finland over a $400 crime. They
don't even bother going overseas for $2mil crimes.

PD

--
Paul Day

"DavidBee" <DavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote in message
newsavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au...
>
> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
>
> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and ran up a
> bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found that the thief
> made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226 which were used to buy
> credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe that the person was someone
> from my daughter's school.
>
> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account
> holder?

Just make a police report and the police will do nothing.

Pay the bill and move on

>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
>
> --
> DavidBee
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Paul Day wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:57:14 DavidBee may have written:
> <snip>
>
> Just to ask the obvious, but was there any reason she didn't call up and
> suspend the account as soon as she realised her mobile had been nicked?
>
> PD
>
because someone people are just plain stupid or worse dumb.
as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over who has
to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is responsible.
FULL STOP
sad but true, if is doubt read the T&C of the contract or agreement.

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:13:22 +1000, kcoj wrote:

> Paul Day wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:57:14 DavidBee may have written:
>> <snip>
>>
>> Just to ask the obvious, but was there any reason she didn't call up and
>> suspend the account as soon as she realised her mobile had been nicked?
>>
>> PD
>>
> because someone people are just plain stupid or worse dumb.

Or perhaps she reported it within hours of the theft, immediately after
she first noticed it missing, but by that time the "Habbo credit" had
already been purchased?


> as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over who has
> to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is responsible.
> FULL STOP

There's no "debate" over who has to pay the phone company, stupid. The
OP's question was directed at recovery of the $400 from another source,
namely, the criminal who stole his daughter's phone.


> sad but true, if is doubt read the T&C of the contract or agreement.

No-one's in doubt, stupid.

kcoj <poguemahone@shithappens.com> wrote
> Paul Day wrote
>> DavidBee wrote

>> Just to ask the obvious, but was there any reason she didn't call up and suspend the account as soon as she realised
>> her mobile had been nicked?

> because someone people are just plain stupid or worse dumb.

> as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone

Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

> the debate over who has to pay is irrelevant,

Only in your pathetic little pig ignorant drug crazed fantasyland.

> the phone owner/account holder is responsible. FULL STOP

Wrong, as always.

> sad but true, if is doubt read the T&C of the contract or agreement.

Has no relevance what so ever to the law, fuckwit child.

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:33:11 Horry may have written:
> > as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over who has
> > to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is responsible.
> > FULL STOP
>
> There's no "debate" over who has to pay the phone company, stupid.

Isn't there? Can her phone company prove _she_ consented to the 19
number charges?

PD

--
Paul Day

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:58:12 -0500, Paul Day wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:33:11 Horry may have written:
>> > as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over who
>> > has to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is
>> > responsible. FULL STOP
>>
>> There's no "debate" over who has to pay the phone company, stupid.
>
> Isn't there? Can her phone company prove _she_ consented to the 19
> number charges?

On the issue of the debt to the phone company, what's relevant is that
the phone company can prove that the premium SMS was sent from her service
(or, more likely, her father's service, as she's only 17 years old), and
that the SMSs were sent before the SIM was reported lost/stolen.

"Paul Day" <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote in message
news:1209290291.798791@colossus.enigma.id.au...
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:33:11 Horry may have written:
>> > as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over who
>> > has
>> > to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is responsible.
>> > FULL STOP
>>
>> There's no "debate" over who has to pay the phone company, stupid.
>
> Isn't there? Can her phone company prove _she_ consented to the 19
> number charges?

"She" doesnt need to consent. "She" is the legal lessee of the service,
regardless of who uses the service.

She/Police can try to take that person to court to recoup costs, but "she"
is still legally liable for the debt

>
> PD
>
> --
> Paul Day

Michael <michael@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Paul Day" <pauls@enigma.id.au> wrote in message
> news:1209290291.798791@colossus.enigma.id.au...
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:33:11 Horry may have written:
>>>> as she has not "reported" the theft of the phone the debate over
>>>> who has
>>>> to pay is irrelevant, the phone owner/account holder is
>>>> responsible. FULL STOP
>>>
>>> There's no "debate" over who has to pay the phone company, stupid.
>>
>> Isn't there? Can her phone company prove _she_ consented to the 19
>> number charges?
>
> "She" doesnt need to consent. "She" is the legal lessee of the
> service, regardless of who uses the service.

Unlikely given her age.

> She/Police can try to take that person to court to recoup costs, but "she" is still legally liable for the debt

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a fucking clue.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:67hf5dF2pn6tkU1@mid.individual.net...
> DavidBee <DavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote:
>
>> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
>
>> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and
>> ran up a bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found
>> that the thief made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226
>> which were used to buy credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe
>> that the person was someone from my daughter's school.
>
>> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
>> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
>> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
>> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account
>> holder?
>
> Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity like
> theft is involved.
>
but pity that most of the time they couldn't be bothered, same as stolen
handsets and tracking via IMEI


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:nDWQj.5425$ko5.2116@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> "DavidBee" <DavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote in message
> newsavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au...
>>
>> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
>>
>> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and ran up a
>> bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found that the thief
>> made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226 which were used to buy
>> credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe that the person was someone
>> from my daughter's school.
>>
>> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
>> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
>> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
>> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account
>> holder?
>
> Just make a police report and the police will do nothing.
>
> Pay the bill and move on

no, involve TISSC and TIO to attempt to avoid full repayment

>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> --
>> DavidBee
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
>


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

thegoons <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:67hf5dF2pn6tkU1@mid.individual.net...
>> DavidBee <DavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
>>
>>> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and
>>> ran up a bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found
>>> that the thief made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226
>>> which were used to buy credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe
>>> that the person was someone from my daughter's school.
>>
>>> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
>>> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
>>> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
>>> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account
>>> holder?
>>
>> Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity
>> like theft is involved.
>>
> but pity that most of the time they couldn't be bothered, same as
> stolen handsets and tracking via IMEI

Irrelevant to his question.

On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:17:07 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> Horry <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> DavidBee <DavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote
>
>>>> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
>
>>>> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and
>>>> ran up a bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found
>>>> that the thief made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226
>>>> which were used to buy credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe
>>>> that the person was someone from my daughter's school.
>
>>>> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
>>>> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
>>>> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
>>>> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account holder?
>
>>> Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity like theft is involved.
>
>> Isn't "Habbo" based overseas? They may have an Australian arm,
>> but if my memory serves me correctly, they're based in the UK.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habbo_Hotel
>
>> If that's the case, he may have trouble convincing the cops here in
>> Australia to arrange for the British authorities to obtain and serve a
>> subpoena in London -- when the subject-matter of their investigation
>> is $400 worth of Habbo credit. (I doubt Habbo will cough up their
>> subscriber's details without some form of legal process.)
>
> We'll see...
>
> Its unlikely they would be stupid enough to require anything
> to be served in pomland etc with something so trivial.

Who's "they"?


>> My suggestion would be for the OP to fax a copy of the police
>> report to Habbo's head office, together with a letter explaining the
>> situation and requesting that the credit be refunded (enclosing a
>> copy of the phone bill highlighting the fraudulent purchases, etc).
>
>> He may well get fobbed off, but it'd be a better shot that expecting
>> the cops to start an trans-national investigation over $400.
>
> You havent established that any 'trans-national investigation' is involved with something so trivial.

Huh? It doesn't matter how "trivial" an investigation is. If it spans
more than one country, it's trans-national.

Horry <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Horry <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> DavidBee <DavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote

>>>>> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.

>>>>> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and
>>>>> ran up a bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found
>>>>> that the thief made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226
>>>>> which were used to buy credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe
>>>>> that the person was someone from my daughter's school.

>>>>> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require details
>>>>> of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the best way to
>>>>> approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a criminal act can the
>>>>> police get details of the Habbo Hotel account holder?

>>>> Corse the cops can get any details they want when criminal activity like theft is involved.

>>> Isn't "Habbo" based overseas? They may have an Australian arm,
>>> but if my memory serves me correctly, they're based in the UK.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habbo_Hotel

>>> If that's the case, he may have trouble convincing the cops here in
>>> Australia to arrange for the British authorities to obtain and serve
>>> a subpoena in London -- when the subject-matter of their investigation
>>> is $400 worth of Habbo credit. (I doubt Habbo will cough up their
>>> subscriber's details without some form of legal process.)

>> We'll see...

>> Its unlikely they would be stupid enough to require anything
>> to be served in pomland etc with something so trivial.

> Who's "they"?

Habbo.

>>> My suggestion would be for the OP to fax a copy of the police
>>> report to Habbo's head office, together with a letter explaining the
>>> situation and requesting that the credit be refunded (enclosing a
>>> copy of the phone bill highlighting the fraudulent purchases, etc).

>>> He may well get fobbed off, but it'd be a better shot that expecting
>>> the cops to start an trans-national investigation over $400.

>> You havent established that any 'trans-national investigation'
>> is involved with something so trivial.

> Huh? It doesn't matter how "trivial" an investigation is.
> If it spans more than one country, it's trans-national.

You havent extablished that Habbo would require anything trans national with something so trivial.

"thegoons" <thegoons@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:48d1f$4815eef8$30134@news.teranews.com...
>
> "Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:nDWQj.5425$ko5.2116@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "DavidBee" <DavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au> wrote in message
>> newsavidBee.38een5@no-mx.phorums.com.au...
>>>
>>> I'm writing this on behalf of my 17 year old daughter.
>>>
>>> Her mobile phone was stolen last month. Someone used it and ran up a
>>> bill of over $400.00. When we received the bill we found that the thief
>>> made premium SMS calls on the number 19942226 which were used to buy
>>> credits from the Habbo Hotel. We believe that the person was someone
>>> from my daughter's school.
>>>
>>> We're going to make out a police report and the police will require
>>> details of the account. Does anyone know the legal situation and the
>>> best way to approach it. There are privacy laws, but as this is a
>>> criminal act can the police get details of the Habbo Hotel account
>>> holder?
>>
>> Just make a police report and the police will do nothing.
>>
>> Pay the bill and move on
>
> no, involve TISSC and TIO to attempt to avoid full repayment

under what grounds?
TISSC dont do Premium SMS
How is this a TIO matter?
>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> DavidBee
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>>
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **